Klein_Helmer

Probably best to go with a picture of yourself. If you prefer not to go that route, I suggest using one of the following: A ferocious monitor: Paul Lynde: Eastern European Table Tennis sensation, Biba Golic:

You are free to believe what you like, but please be mindful that others are as well. I imagine the majority of our forum contemporaries will be able to determine for themselves if they are interested in carrying out an adult conversation without your shepherding. Should our paths cross again, it is my hope we can exchange words without judgment or name calling. No hard feelings. Only the very best, -Klein

Ridiculous. One of us has made multiple, measured, substantive posts regarding the subject matter of this thread. The other has done nothing but toss around low brow insults. I will extend the olive branch again, if you wish to discuss with me the matter at hand, feel free. On the other hand, if you are so convinced I am winding you up, for what reason have you repeatedly bumped this thread? If yours is a frame of reference so insular, that the only possibility you see for someone holding a different point of view than your own, is the fact that they are, "a troll," I feel sorry for you.

Well, I have already made clear my sincerity, you can take it or leave it. I have also already made my case (spoken at length regarding the ineffectiveness of this, "plan"), you are welcome to offer a refutation. I do not however believe we will get anywhere by you simply stating that my plan is inferior, "because." Also, was that last bit a glib insinuation that you would enjoy being witness to my eternal demise? Ouch.

I believe that it is, and would cite as evidence the current and previous states of the world. For all practical purposes, we, as a species, are, and have for some time been flying off the rails. The time for change has long since arrived. This is an enormous leap of logic, but I'll bite. Why is it you think that my existence is evidence that I agreed (which I never did) that free agency (with regard to reproduction) is the better plan? Why is it you think I would be an amorphous, bodyless, Satan worshiping wraith were there to exist a parenting license? If those deemed unfit to reproduce took it upon themselves to violently revolt, order would need to be maintained - no matter what the cost. Like I said, the plan to which you refer is not delivering.

YOOO!!! What is good with it, fellows?

I have attended dozens of LDS services. The atmosphere was very positive, interactive, and seemed to foster a sense of unity that helped congregants maintain their standards. On the other hand, I think you are slightly unfair in your treatment of other Christian denominations. While the problems you have mentioned certainly have, and do appear in non LDS churches, these missteps are in no way inherent to the faiths themselves. They are the failings of human beings. It is of course human beings also who are responsible for the administration of the LDS faith on earth, and they are no less prone to being led astray.

In any case, it was never my intention to, "turn anyone on."

Fair enough. I have been making an amateur study of Fractal Geometry. One of the theories discussed therein, asserts the existence of eternally repeating patterns. An implication of this being that within any naturally occurring structure, exists true, mathematical infinity. What I set forth to do with, American Man, was to remove the outermost layer of such a reality, in order the audience experience something of a pealing back of sensory callouses.

That seems like a strange thing to say. I have been in no way confrontational, and I have certainly not been, "nasty." I have engaged in cordial discourse with others, and offered the same to you. I am more than willing to discuss with you any matter at hand in this thread. I do not however appreciate your baseless lobbing of the designation, "troll," when you yourself have not yet addressed the relevant subject matter.

I Dream of Jeannie, hey? "I like it." Would that I could, dear friend. I recognize my limitations, and to say I could give words to my vision that was, American Man, would be a naked lie.

"or someone else," of course being the key phrase. Again, I never, once, set myself up as being above anyone else. You have no sense of the esteem I hold myself in. You will allow me to speak for myself. I am in no position of authority, so I cannot speak here with any certainty. As far as I am concerned, it is OK for you to make such a statement, so long as you are willing to substantiate it with some form of evidence. If you are unwilling/unable to do so, you might need to check the mirror for a plank in your eye. Nothing. It is a very simple idea, and I favor it. I am not familiar with most of this. Why is it you think I would not exist, had the world operated under the conditions I am suggesting? We should change our minds now, because my idea is better than what we are currently working with.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will do my best to address each of your points. Your objection here seems to be built on the same premise as is my proposal, ie, the intimidating flaws of human nature. My response is this: Few as they may be, there are good enough people out there. The best of humanity is truly a thing at which to marvel. If we can but find them, and put them at their rightful place at the helm, they are capable of leading us into a wonderful future. I will concede that such a group has not yet been assembled into a position of influential, world changing leadership; but philosophically, the absence of such an occurence in the past is in no way indicative that such a thing is not possible. I would respond to this by saying that the mechanism was broken, not its spirit. In any case, am I correct in assuming that the children from these "broken homes" did not go on to commit violent crimes? Temple Sealings are not perfect, but perhaps they are a step in the right direction. Welfare is not an attempt to police procreation. In fact, some would argue it encourages harmful procreation by incentivizing (or at the very least, taking away responsibility for) it monetarily. Welfare would likely become a thing of the past, were all children given the right to healthy homes and a suitable education - as they would under my plan. This is why our leaders must be carefully selected. Without getting into a long winded analysis of the root societal causes, I will grant that there are marked differences in any number of measures, between different racial and ethnic groups in the United States. I believe however the injection of racism (or any other prejudice) into the discussion assumes a colossal failure in the selection of the leadership, which I find unlikely. My proposal is to further promote and sanctify the family, not work toward its disintegration. In my mind, a family should be considerably more than a group of people with shared genetic material.

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I very much agree.

Indeed. Though this has already been addressed. I have modified my suggested program to delay the sterilization to sexual maturity, and to devote a massive amount of government funding to improve the safety and efficacy of the procedure. My contention is that the better part of humanity is simply incapable of such learning. That being the case, I strongly advocate removing the "opportunity" to fail at such an endeavor. With regard to your suggestion that my idea has replaced one problem with another, I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the nature of this, "new" problem - provided it is something other than the ill conceived notion that taking away reproductive privileges from the unfit would be a misstep in terms of social engineering. I am not sue what you are suggesting here. I have taken some time to discuss the implications of both moving forward with the status quo, and the potential ramifications of adopting the policies I have argued for.

It sounds like a few others have touched on the suggestions I would have offered, ie, getting some fresh air, exercise, etc. One thing I have found is that inactivity only breeds further inactivity. Even if you feel quite tired, perhaps you could start by just taking a short walk first thing in the morning. You might also consider explaining your symptoms to a doctor, if you have not already. I am sure they could offer more nuanced, patient specific analysis than I could ever hope to. I certainly hope you can get over this spell. Best, Klein

Despite the nature of your review, I am grateful for your completion of the film. There is no need for you to apologize for your candor, this is precisely the form of candid feedback I will need in order to hone my craft. I hope my future directorial efforts are more to your liking, and please feel free to offer any further suggestions.

Yours is an interesting theory with regard to my authorial intent. If nothing else, I presume I can count on you to swing mightily your ban hammer, should anyone so much as look at me the wrong way.

Bees in the what now? Then sadly, you did not even make it into the B reel (the A material being of course saved for last). I am however desirous of your analysis. What was your overall impression of the film? What might have been altered to get you further into the piece?

Helmer Time.

Who among you would like to hear some of Your Dear Helmer's original, reptile themed comedy?

Thank you! I have been enjoying myself.

I must have missed that one. I see, and I appreciate your candor. This film was edited with the atrocious windows movie maker. I am pleased to say that, American Man, will be the last in a short line of projects made on a shoestring budget. From this point forward, only the finest in cameras, microphones, lighting, and editing software will be implemented. The difference in the final products should be distinct.

I am not familiar with this Balthier chap, I hope I have not just been zinged. In any case, you are a rather fetching young lady yourself.