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  7. How do I find General Conference music from 2000-2007?

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    4 hours ago, my two cents said:

    Go to this link https://www.lds.org/ensign/2000?lang=eng and scroll down to other issues and click on the year you're interested in and the May/November editions then look at the conference summary where the music is listed.  Below is the one for May 2007.

    https://www.lds.org/ensign/2007/05/conference-summary-for-the-177th-annual-general-conference?lang=eng

    Are there any from 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006? 

  8. How do I find General Conference music from 2000-2007?

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  9. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    10 hours ago, DoctorLemon said:

    Not sure this is accurate.

     

    This statement reflects a very poor knowledge of how DNA works, as well as what the Book of Mormon actually teaches and claims.  Remember, the Lamanites were cursed with a hereditary curse, meaning their DNA was changed, and the Nephites were later killed off, so we wouldn't expect to find much Middle Eastern DNA in Native Americans in the first place.  There is also at least the implication within the Book of Mormon that other people (who may have been from Asia) interacted with, and mixed with, the Nephites and Lamanites, including perhaps the likely-Asian Jaredites and others.  DNA based arguments that I have heard sound good, but lack meaningful substance because they are made by people with no real knowledge of the Book of Mormon (or DNA, for that matter).

     

    There is plenty of proof of God in science, particular biology.  Scientists who refuse to acknowledge God are being willfully blind.  I think the proof of God in science is so overwhelming I could construct a testimony of Him based off of science alone and without bringing religion into it.

     

    I will take Islam over atheism any day of the week.

    This is just a quick response to your statements about your friend (I could comment much more), but frankly he has not said anything I have not seen (and refuted, to myself or others), a thousand times before. 

    This person is not my friend I commmented on his post on youtube and then replied to me.

  10. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    17 hours ago, DoctorLemon said:

    Removing myself from my strongly Mormon identity and trying to be as objective as I can, I can honestly say this - something was going on with Joseph Smith, no matter how you look at it, that was more than being a con artist.

    How do you explain a backwoods farm boy writing a book such as the Book of Mormon, seemingly pulling such a complex document out of thin air?  How do you explain Joseph Smith convincing numerous witnesses, men with reputations to protect, to back him up and say they felt golden plates and saw angels?  How do you explain the fact that, even after many of these witnesses left the Church and the Saints were far away in Utah, these witnesses refused to refute their testimony of the Book of Mormon, despite having every incentive to do so?  How do you explain chiasmus, hebraisms, internal and external textual consistency, correct Semitic grammar, and surprisingly accurate geographic descriptions coming out of the Book of Mormon, all of which was written by a backwoods farm boy with virtually no education?  How do you explain wordprint analysis showing multiple authors for the Book of Mormon?  How do you explain Joseph Smith accurately restoring giant swaths of first-century Christianity, deftly cleansing Christianity of foreign/Greek influence it had picked up over the years, even restoring very esoteric subject matter such as baptisms for the dead?  Has anyone ever seen anything remotely resembling all of this since the days of Jesus and the apostles themselves?

    Whatever Joseph Smith was, I don't think we can write him off as a mere con artist.  No, being fully objective, I think something else, something very big, was at play here.  And if I were not already a believer, I would be eyeing Joseph Smith very, very closely, because it is clear from my objective viewpoint that something was going on with him, something that would be very difficult indeed to explain without simply conceding that he was a prophet.

    (And being back to my subjective self, I think that God has left a trail of evidence, for those willing to put out even the smallest bit of faith and look, which testifies that Joseph Smith is exactly what he claimed to be - a prophet of God - and the Church is exactly what it claims to be today - the only true and complete Christian church).

    The best thing for us all to do is pray people who have resigned from the Church or are inactive but haven't resigned will come back to Church in the future 

  11. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    someone said they resigned from the Church because they discovered the Church is a lie and Joseph Smith is a fraud. the same person said something else because I asked him a question and his response was this:  I would love nothing more than to have Jesus Christ come back and tell me Joseph Smith was a prophet and the BOM was true. Obviously I'd admit I was wrong. That's what people like myself want more then even you, to have him come back and show to us non-believers we are wrong. however I live my life not on feelings or emotions. I live my life on facts, and evidence. Facts and overwhelming evidence show Joseph Smith was a liar and a con man, convicted in a court of law. He used a rock in a hat to translate the BOM and never even needed the plates. The witnesses to the plates never saw them. The LDS church now admits this in it's essays. They only saw them with spiritual eye's or second sight and when they handled the plates they were covered by a cloth. There is so much more to prove J.S. was a fraud, but to list them here would take up pages of text. Then the BOM it's self makes claims that it can not defend. I've heard it said the BOM is not a scientific book. That's a fine statement if it were not for the fact that the LDS church say's it's true. In that case it must defend it's self. The fictional author of Harry Potter never makes the claim the stories, places, names, races, etc., are true. Therefore everyone accepts it as fiction. But the BOM make's outrageous claims in the area's of metallurgy, geography, human migration into the Americas, linguistics, and animals including horses that did not exist in the Americas before Columbus. If a book or a person is going to make such extraordinary claims they need extraordinary evidence to back it up. The LDS church had to spin it's head off once DNA proved the LDS church's claim Native Americans came from the middle east. DNA proved they in fact did not come from the middle east but from Asia. A long held theory that evidence had suspected for a long time. Once again you'll find The LDS church spinning this story in one of it's essay's. So much for god being the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. I could go on and on. The fact is all holy books are man made. Christ is a historical figure, not the son of god. There are many historical persons thousands of years before Christ that claim divinity, died and rose three days later. The Christ story does not hold the rights to that story. Of course lets not forget god. There is no proof of his existence at all. I won't even go into all the problems with the idea there is a god. You fail to realize the christian god you worship today is one of the last 10,000 worshiped in human history. But because your alive now, you don't know the difference and accept what you have been taught since childhood. And let's not forget your only a hardcore believing christian because you were born in the U,S. or a western culture. Had you been born in the middle east our conversation would be how truthful you believe the Koran to be and Mohammad was a true prophet of god. Read and educate yourself not just with what the LDS church would want you to read or family would want you to read but expand your education by reading books that challenge you to rethink your traditional beliefs. Or you can go on living life on a warm fuzzy feeling and emotion. Either way you do not need a god or a redeemer to be a good moral, helpful, generous, giving human being. I was born in the LDS church, held high positions and have since resigned because it is a lie.

  12. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    Just now, DoctorLemon said:

    Of the ones who have actually left the Church?  All of them.

    What else are they supposed to believe?  "The Church is true but I am walking away because, why not?"

    Its sad that people think the Church is a lie and that Joseph was a con man, Why do they think Joseph is a con man and what do they think Joseph did to make them believe he was a con man? Do you think the people who leave usually become less active before they stop going and stop reading their scriptures and stop praying? 

  13. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    5 minutes ago, DoctorLemon said:

    Given that the Church deals in absolute truths, people who leave for any reason (e.g., the relief society president hurt my feelings) kind of have to tell themselves and believe these things about the Church (that it is a fraud, etc.)  Otherwise, they have to face up to the fact that they are throwing away eternity over something petty and stupid, anf most people do not want to face up to that, even if this is what is really going on.

    Have lots of people your friends with left the Church then say the Church is a lie and that Joseph is a con man? 

  14. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    3 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

    I live in Canada. No problem. We both spell colour with a 'u'! 

    I have had a number of research assistant who are autistic. They were all great!

    Where in Canada so you live. If I ever move to a different country I would move to Canada and live in Cardston. Why do so many people who have left the Church say Joseph Smith was a con man and and that the church is a lie?

  16. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    2 minutes ago, Vort said:

    That is a different matter altogether. People get annoyed about the Church not "accepting" gay couples for the same reason they get annoyed about the Church refusing to "ordain" women to the Priesthood, refusing to champion unmarried cohabitation, or refusing to accept abortion "rights": They do not believe the Church is God's kingdom on earth, they don't believe it is led by Jesus Christ through his anointed leaders, and they don't like that the Church's beliefs and practices contradict their own sociopolitical views.

    What does cohabitation mean? I don't think abortion is right. I don't think women should get the priesthood. 

  17. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    1 minute ago, zil said:

    They're annoyed about the Church not accepting (where accepting = baptizing) the children of gay couples.  That bit in red is crucial (and is the only new bit).

    I know that but people know how the Church feels about gay marriage and the policy is good since it won't cause conflict in a home if a child who has gay parents want to be baptized at 18 without any conflict.

  18. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    1 minute ago, Vort said:

    Eve, there appears to be a disconnect between your understanding of this policy and your questions about it.

    The policy has nothing to do with the Church sanctioning homosexual "marriage" or encouraging homosexual couplings. Those have never been part of LDS practice, so the new policy doesn't touch that at all.

    What the new policy DOES affect is whether minor children of homosexual couples are allowed to be baptized. Until the policy was put in place, children of homosexual "parents" could be baptized into the Church. I assume this was an extremely uncommon occurrence, but it could happen. After the policy announcement, it could not happen. Underage children of homosexual "parents" cannot be baptized until they reach the age of majority and disavow homosexual "marriage". In this respect, the new policy is almost identical with the existing policy prohibiting the baptism of minor children of polygamous couples, and requiring adult children of polygamous couples to disvow the polygamous lifestyle.

    I understand that. But I want to know why people get annoyed about the Church not accepting gay couples? 

  19. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    2 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

    I suspect that you don't really want to know. Your questions so far have been phrased in a way to encourage an echo-chamber rather than a dialogue.

    In @Maureen's defense, she has voiced the arguments used by those in your stated target demographic. You should note that the only scripture cited in these arguments is Article of Faith 2, which is a uniquely LDS belief. It could even be argued to go against some Old Testament teachings (the Lord will curse the disobedient to the 3rd and 4th generation). Despite this, you continue to hammer the same note, which is wholly irrelevant to the arguments presented.

    I'll also add here a shoutout to @NeuroTypical for posting his experience with those disaffected.

    I do want to know

  22. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    Just now, Sunday21 said:

    No I am active. Yes Cardston is a hotbed of activity. I have not been..it is very expensive to travel within Canada, but if you look at the sessions for the temple, there are manny scheduled sessions. This is pretty amazing for a town with about 5k people out in the middle of nowhere!

    I went to Cardston last year my brother married a 21 year old called Kayla and my brother and the rest of my family are English but Kayla has to stay in the UK for 5 years because she had trouble moving to the UK. 

  24. Why have many people left the Church after reading false things?

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    On 20/03/2017 at 11:32 PM, Sunday21 said:

     

    Yes, most Canadians just stop going to church, we don't take our names off the records. We are not a very aggressive group of people. When I was stake singles rep, I called all the people listed as single that had not shown up for awhile, most had married and were not interested in the church. When I was inactive, I was not interested in the church. I did have a missionary try to force me to have my name taken off the church records but I did not want to get involved to the point of writing a letter, because I did not trust the church leadership. I did not want them to start annoying me, I just wanted them to go away. When they contacted me, I asked them not to bother me again and I felt this should be sufficient. 

    Are you still inactive. Cardston have lots of active Mormons.