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All time favorites: - Reel Big Fish - Smashing Pumpkin - Dave Matthews Band (not to big on his solo work) - Weezer - Outkast (the cleaner stuff) - Beastie Boys Other stuffage I'm fond of: - Jamiroquai - Save Ferris - No Doubt - Nora Jones - Franz Ferdinand - Coheed and Cambria... among others. If I've heard it I have an opinion.... it may not be a good opinion.... BUT I STAND BY IT!

Rodney....your avatar today...the brunette with the huge, pouty, Angelina Jolie lips....not really doin' it for me...KEEP IT UP!

Yeah...having attended a high school that was thought of as the "BYU of high schools" and knowing how much crap went on there that they did a great job of keeping on the DL it would be no surprise that the local Big Brother has a few skeletons locked in the closet. It really is the Utah County mentality that if you can keep it hidden and act like everything if juuuuuust perfect then it still is... It's going to be the down fall of this city both governmentally as well as spiritually.

Well, I don't know about you other Utah County-ites out there, but it's good to know that no matter where I go I always know that it's more dangerous than where I live.

I dunno...but I'm already dry.

Short, basic answer...Alternative or Punk Rock with a horn section. Some bands you may want to check out for familiarization with the genre: Reel Big Fish, The Specials, The Aquabats (reputed LDS, BTW), The Might Might Bosstones, and Save Ferris (a personal fav) just to name a few. Learn to skank dance and you'll be the coolest kid in the hizzo. For a more historical view ask Faerie...she's down. Therefore, since Moroni is rockin' the trumpet...Moroni Plays Ska.

DQ12- I got mine when I was 15. I wish I had prepared a bit more for it (as I feel about a lot of thing being 10 days away from my mission) but I in no way feel bad that I got it at that age. A Patriachal Blessing is your personal scripture that you interpret for yourself. You're interpretation of the things in it may change over time depending on how things go, and that will happen no matter what age you get it at. While I think you could probably hold out a bit longer for preperation sake, you should go talk to your bishop about it and if you still feel - with his guidance - that you should get it then go for it.

Number?

Don't give up on school, agie. They're spending a boat load of money in hopes you'll someday be able to spell. I have a testimony of that. I know it's true. Generally I wouldn't find Rondney funny...but this time...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It would also make the honeymoon a little awkward too, don't you think?

RODNEY! WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT YOUR AVATARS! Just...hold out...a little longer...only 9 day...16 hours...31 minutes!

In addition to Starsky's words: At the time that Nephi beheaded Laban the Law of Moses was in effect. If Laban was indeed a murderous person, then he was only recieving the punishment that God had called for. So, to look at it that way, there was no contradition.

Let me put it this way Nick...can I call you Nick?...Nick,The garments are meant to be a symbol of purity (among other things). How well would they serve that purpose if you couldn't wash them?

Yeah...I've seen the place. Maybe I'll try to check it out before I leave in...9 days, 22 hours, and 26 minutes.

Age is just a number.

I was just at the distrabution center yesterday and found out that the rule doesn't take effect until August 1st, which might explain why there hasn't been too much buzz yet. But twoo it is!

Rodney- As someone preparing to leaving on a mission in...11 day, 2 hours, and 18 minutes, your avatar is tempting me in ways I shouldn't be tempted. In the immortal words of "That's 70's Show"'s Fez: "It gives me needs."

Elder John A. Widtsoe said:"We do not quarrel with with the symbol G-o-d because it is not very beautiful..." God is merely a word...true it represents someone very sacred and powerful, but it is reprersented by man made symbols. So feel free to spell it out. We're not Jewish.

Jenda- So you're RLDS...now I get it. As for that D&C, I read that before...and forgot...thanks for reminding me. An so's you know I'm going to California. You wouldn't happen to know where I could pick up a copy of the Apocrypha?...just for future reference. Sarah K- Your view is what I've been taught in institute classes. Rock on.

Jenda...I quit. Not because I'm starting to buy what you're saying but because you're starting to scare me. We've gotten so far off of the original topic and I just don't feel the need to continue this debate. You have given me no solid evidence that Christ life was predestined. You're starting to get into the Apochrypha which I am in no way well versed and feel no reason to be, as of this time. Future revelation may prove wrong, but as for now, I leave on a mission in 10 days and I need to stick with the standard works and the "Missionary Reference Library." Shanstress...I cann't recall the meaning of th 144,000...I think there is reference to it in the D&C. But I can't remember. I'll look into it, however, and get back to you. Unless someone beats me to it. As for now...I am having an Open Hose Replacement Shin-Dig and I need to clean my house so that all my friends can come mess it up next week. If I don't reply promptly to anything else please know that it is because I have to put first things first right now.

I knew what you were saying. I was just waiting for you to step in it. So..Um, Jenda...if you don't even believe that then why do you even bring it up? And FYI...the version of the Bible you have IS the KJV. The JST is added on in the back, the verses are not replaced. The JST is mearly a few verses, not a whole work. At least as far as I know. If you have a copy of the Bible that has been COMPLETELY redone by Joseph Smith I'd love to see it.

At first you said: And now you say: So you argue me by contradicting yourself? GENIOUS! What happended to you believing that Christ ALONE was predestined? Now your telling me that 144,000 are predestined to be saved according to that scripture? So why I just go kill everyone? If I'm to be saved then I'm chosen to do that, right? It doesn't matter what I do. Does sound like God's plan for us? Why would Chirst be exempt from agency? Me confused. And granted...the whole "predestinate" thing is my weakest argument (an kinda silly)...but I think that the shear fact that it says "foreknow" in that scripture proves my point (God knows our end because he has foreknowlege not because it has already been written)...a part that you left out originally...why is that?

I wouldn't think of Christ fulfillment of his foreordniation as him predestinating himself. Think of the situation under which he was born: half-God, half-man. The veil was thinner for him upon his entry into this world. And because of that he was blessed with an easier attainment of faith. He had to learn things "line upon line, and precept upon precept" just like we do. But when you never sin, those things are revealed to you a crap-load faster than any of US could ever hope in this life. Therefore his purpose and foreordination became a knowledge to him in this life at a very young age and once you have that proof you're not likely to wander from it. If he had, that would have made him the extreme antithesis of himself.But on the whole, Sarah, that is a EXELENT argument...if you want to go the easy way 'round . Um...am I aloud to say "crap-load" in reference to the Savior?

How does one (supposed bible believer) decide not to believe something that is clearly in the bible? Honestly though, I supposedly believe in the bible, but am not sure what I think about predestination. So I'm asking this question of myself as well! Sanstree- To answer your question I refer to Article of Faith #8: No doubt that a book as old, and disputed as the Bible has gone through a number of poor translations, false interpretations, and outright changes or omitions to the text. To prove that simply look at how it doesn't not contain many testimonies of the original Twelve Apostles. We believe the King James Version to be the most correct. As I have already said in a couple posts on this thread, "predestination" and "foreordination" are synonymous among many sects and religions, both past and present. That would explain why the KJV has "predestination" in places where it should say "foreordniation". It's no that we are chosing not to believe what the Bible is telling us, we just believe that due to human error that the Bible can sometimes be a little off base. Did I explain that well?

If you were to read the those scriptures in the King James Version you would see that the word "predestinate" was already there, so it was not the reason that these verses were translated. They were translated to make it more definite to understand that it was Christ that was being spoken of: And notice the word "predestinate." "...him whom he did predestinate..." Not "him who was predestined." That conjugation of the word, I believe, is a derect link to how it is meant to be understood. The scripture says that Christ was made "predestinate" because God had a foreknowedge of what was to come. The scripture states plainly that God knew it because of his omniscience not because the time was already set. And, besides, as I have already stated many religions regard predestination and foreordination as the same thing. No doubt that is the reason why it was translated so in the KJV. And the reason it was not changed in the JST was becase that wasn't the point of that particular translation.