whirlieking

There is nothing I can do to gain salvation. I rely totally on Christ. That being said, we are taught in James 2:19 I think, that faith without works is dead. It has been my experience, that as I have confessed Jesus name, confessed my sins, turned to him and so forth, my belief and faith are manifested through those actions. As I exercise faith in Christ by obeying his teachings, I see fruits in my life, whether they arejoy or peace or happiness. I know I would not have received those things if it were not for Christ and if I did not believe in Him. An analogy I like is a receiver in football. The Grace and Mercy of Christ is infinite and perfect. This would be like a perfect pass, a perfect spiral laid just in front of me. However, in order to "receive" the ball I have to do something. I have to put my hands out, focus on the ball, squeeze on the ball and pull it in. If I lose concentration, don't pay attention, don't even lift my hands then I will never receive the ball. It's the same way with the Atonement of Christ. On the other side if I do concentrate and put up my hands, but Christ never threw the ball, then I could do everything perfectly but yet I would not be saved. In the Book of Mormon, we are taught that we are saved after all we can do(2 Nephi 25:23. In other words we just do our best, dont have to be perfect, be try our best to follow him and His infinite mercy will cover us and save us. I am only saved because Jesus is our Lord and Savior, and there is no other way to be saved.

In D&C 29 we are taught that all things are spiritual. And fitting with D&C 131 all things are spirit matter at some level. As I understand truth from D&C 93, truth is an unchanging principle. Knowledge of things as they were, are and will be. The quest of true religion is to find God, but in order to do that we must find truth. The quest of science is to find truth. There are two inherent flaws with science finding truth, and that is taught by Elder Scott. One is that you cannot really know for sure whether you have gotten to absolute truth. And it is possible to get the wrong answer even though we have done the absolute best that we can. Even scientists are led and guided by the Spirit at times in their work, but again they can never identify something as absolute like we can through prayer and spiritual experiences. As this relates to dark matter and energy, ultimately to know the truth we will need to be taught by the Spirit what it is. The speculation and idea that this dark matter and dark energy is a spiritual force is a possibility, and makes sense to how I see the world interact. Remember we could just as well call this orange energy or yellow matter or something else, but we call it dark, because we can't(as i know) directly measure it with any known senses, therefore remaining dark to us. So, why could it not be a spiritual force? If we can't measure this using our senses then that makes science useless as far as proving hypotheses wrong, until we do find a way to measure it. Then we must therefore use the other way to find truth and that is God. We can still use the scientific method to do our part just like when we pray about anything spiritual, but we just have to wait on God's timetable(of which I am of the personal opinion that we wont find it out in this life). The same could be said about the Priesthood to a degree. Like dark matter, we see its effects, but that doesnt mean we know what it is other than God's power. But physically/spiritually what is it? Same with faith. This is why to me, I can potentially see that this other dark energy/matter is what God is using. But until I (really other scientists of whom I then read their work) study and test using the scientific method I will never know the truth. God is not merely going to reveal it to me(at least as I believe). At the end of the day it's going to be a spiritual revelation, but doing the science is just doing our part to prepare to receive that knowledge. Quick story, this is how Elder Nelson recounts his receiving the revelation in the surgery room. He said if he did not study heart surgery and have experience, and also be worthy of the Spirit; then he would not have received that knowledge needed to save the patient's life. From what I can tell, Traveler views science and truth similar to how I do(please correct me if Im wrong). So maybe this helps understand a bit of where we're coming from and why we think it's a possibility.

So my wife and I were discussing circumcision in modern times, and I havent thought about it a lot. So I was wondering since we are no longer required to do so anymore, why would someone be circumcised today?

Would someone like to explain to me the grammar behind the eit ending? I understand that this is in construct form, but generally a noun follows. EG plates of brass, the plates would be in construct but the brass is the noun. What if you have a verb? Also, could you include a phrase to follow the construct word? Another question how is that construct form? Most feminine nouns will end with eh and at right? so how do we get eit? Construct form does seem to make the more sense than others, but I am unsure of why it is though. Also I have heard of multiple meanings for the word rosheit what meanings would you have?

One major issue that you have to evaluate is the source of where it was written. I was just looking at another question from the KFD but I went to a site that has the 7 recorded versions of the talk next to each other. And the one that is most often quoted doesnt quite match up to the meaning presented in the others, of which they agreed. So that is one thing to look at. And as to the quote, Joseph merely said "ought." doesnt mean they will but they should because his teaching would be right. To me that is just boldness on another level, but when the Bible reads of Christ that He spoke as one having authority, I believe that Joseph was doing the same. The phrase that also comes afterwards "you will then know" is a 2nd person statement as opposed to the 3rd person reference to the persecutions. So he is speaking directly to that congregation and it seems to me that he is talking to the phrase before the persecution one. That if you understand what he is saying, then you will know that he is a prophet of God. That is how I see it and its clear to me. That individual pulled his quote out of context.

Yeah I wasn't very clear, that was just what I heard and I wasn't sure what the source was. Ive been meaning to look stuff up this week but I havent had time, but I just wanted to clear up my comment. Im about to edit it to make it clearer.

My understanding, or what ive heard anyways, is that Ham's wife was of cain's descent. I am not sure where the reference is but that is how his seed would have continued if this is true.

I also realized I mentioned dark matter in addition to the dark energy. That is purposeful because I believe that they both fit with the idea of two agents, one to act and the other to be acted upon. Matter/element to be acted upon, Energy to act for itself. Just like in our world and view of the two. Element and Spirit. I believe that when I am righteous I do possess some form of a positive energy. I believe in Chi and how we possess a certain energy. I can feel when people leave a house. I can feel when people are in a public bathroom. There is energy emanating from the spirit of the other individuals. The element is just the tabernacle or encasing for those spirits.

I dont like to speculate a lot, because I feel I lack a lot of knowledge in other more important areas. But I have thought of the idea a bit. Maybe it is how God operates Priesthood and faith so that miracles happen. We cannot see when this dark matter or dark energy are interacting with what we can sense and perceive. So if we are in the drowning in the ocean and we pray for help, God may command this energy and it pushes us out of the water. Or someone is being shot at in a war and a sharpshooter has an easy shot and he cant hit a guy running away only to find out he was a member of the church. Maybe what happened there was the darkmatter came together and absorbed the bullet. But it was how God operated the matter in a way that is unseen by us. We know God works by laws and so he is using this medium to make the miracles happen for us. Potentially there might be more than just "dark matter." What if there are like three or 4 gradations of matter. Like when they say the Spirit World is here, what if it is a different gradation of matter/element? All Spirit is matter but either more refined and one with purer eyes can behold the less refined matter. Just some ideas, that is the extent of my thinking though so I wouldnt have much more to add to a conversation, but if you want someone for devil's advocate I might be able to accomadate, though I am a little busy. And I'll not pretend that I am an expert either, I have some knowledge at basic levels of physics and that is about it. Also, to directly answer your two questions, Yes I think that this dark energy could be tied to spiritual power and energy. And as far as dark matter relating to spirit matter. I'd say that spirit matter is everything, and dark matter is the worldly view/understanding of what remains from our known matter. And so it seems like spirit matter might fit with the gradations of matter. Spirit matter is either more refined or coarse. That's how I see it.

I didnt read the rest of the posts because at the moment Im busy but I did want to address this part of your question. Why doesn't God put Adam and Eve on the earth like he does with us? The answer as I understand and see it involves the hebrew word for good. As I have been taught, this word, in a hebraic sense, indicates an absence of evil. This is extremely important. It goes against our society and its use of the word. In our society we go good, great, excellent, awesome, terrific, outstanding, amazing, etc. Good is such an insignificant compliment. However the hebraic approach is so much grander and teaches much about God. God can only do good, pure, virtuous things. He cannot do evil. So when he created the world, he created it without evil in it, however his creations have agency. D&C 93 teaches us that disobedience takes away light and truth, or takes away goodness and righteousness from people. That is the position that Adam and Eve were in. Completely innocent and good, not perfect, but clean and pure. And they used their agency to disobey the commandment. They were no longer clean to be in their presence. I hope this illustrates why God couldnt just put them on an earth he created with mortality already here. It was just something he doesnt do, He brings people and things to him, the only way to go away is to make a choice to go away.

So just looking at the resurrection itself. It is when the body and spirit are to become united forever and never to be separated again. If we die before the millenium then we separate from our bodies and then will be reunited never to separate again. In the millenium we will still be granted a glorified body that will never separate with our spirit, even though we dont die.