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  1. carlimac

    Gay conversion therapy?

    This is what I said: "And yet this seems to be the pat answer from the LGBT community- It's cruel to try to change what someone is, what they have always been from birth." Draw an arrow from the word "this" to the phrase past the dash (which probably should have been in quotation marks.) In other words, the battle cry from LGBTs is that "it's cruel to change what they have always been from birth." I personally don't believe any baby is born gay. Their belief, not mine. Does that make sense now? I wasn't contradicting myself at all.
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    Gay conversion therapy?

    I'm not sure I like your comparison. Cosmetic changes are external/surface and can be changed at will on a daily basis without much moral implication. Plus, changing one's hair color doesn't really change their hair color. It will always grow back it's natural color ( unless a person's physiology is altered somehow. Chemotherapy often changes the color and texture of hair that grows back after being lost. Sexual identity obviously isn't like nail polish or make-up at all. I believe it's a mental/emotional/and even spiritual thing. I very much believe people are born with their gender that was decided at the moment of conception and along with that, their potential to pair and reproduce with the opposite gender. I cannot believe at all that babies are born gay or straight. That is nonsense. But humans are born with certain tendencies in areas such as emotional sensitivity, athletic, musical, analytical abilities, etc. Those tendencies are molded, expanded, inhibited, colored, stretched, hidden...whatever, by our environment. Mostly by our life circumstances- who we live with, where we live, what we're exposed to, how we are taught and nurtured and treated as we grow and develop. It's environment, circumstance and life experiences having an effect on tendencies (which ARE genetic) that determine whether one will end up with same gender attraction or not. This is my theory and the one that makes the most sense to me. It does matter how one was born because those parts of us are much harder to change once they have been established and rooted in someone's mind. Not at all like using nail polish remover to change one's nail polish color. Transgenderism is mostly like cosmetic changes although you start messing with hormones and it very much changes your temperament and perhaps even the way you think and behave. edit: It didn't look to me like it was posting. Can a mod just delete the two previous posts. Thx.
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    Gay conversion therapy?

    Does anyone know what the latest research is on " Born that way" ? I thought there were no conclusions. No scientific evidence. And yet this seems to be the pat answer from the LGBT community- It's cruel to try to change what someone is, what they have always been from birth. Did I miss a big announcement somewhere along the way?
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    Shorter Sunday - How was it for you?

    I liked it! Shorter is always gooder. Our bishop started the meeting by taking 10 minutes to explain the schedule since the chapel was packed and several "seldom comers" were there. Only problem was he forgot about the opening prayer and song. After his explanation he launched right into the sacrament. But someone tugged on his pant leg and reminded him to start the meeting officially with a song and prayer. It probably didn't help to have our stake president and one of his counselors on the stand. He really was pretty nervous about it all. It will take a few weeks to work the bugs out and let people adjust. I feel like it would be good to extend the Sacrament meeting time at least 10 min on Fast Sunday. Everyone was talking fast and worried they were going to mess up the schedule. And then Sunday school felt a little too long. My biggest worry about the landslide of changes is that It's throwing the ward leaders into a tizzy. Our bishop is swamped and the YW women leader I'm working with seems a lot more uptight than she used to be. Our RS president is rolling her eyes like, "What now??" Our highly energetic prophet just may need to slow down an itty bit. Our ward is still trying to get it's collective mind around ministering.
  5. I wish my son looked at it that way. He is currently a returned missionary, BYU grad, agnostic medical student who is fully on board with evolution only and refers to anything spiritual as "supernatural" -sending it into the realm of fiction. Sigh! At this point I think it's going to take an event or situation where he hits rock bottom and can't depend on science and has to depend on God to make it through. Or a really cute girl with a testimony who can convince him. But at this point he isn't interacting with any LDS girls at all. And he's been pretty darn successful in academia so far and works really hard to be successful. So...science reigns supreme for him.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    I'm sorry. I guess I haven't followed that closely over the years. It must be frustrating.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    It's healthier than promiscuity but it's still not healthy. No homosexual marriage is healthy unless it's sexless and they are just pals or companions. Even still, that doesn't sound like a healthy individual to me biologically speaking. One of the reasons there may not be as much outrage about unhealthy hetero pairings is that it's not always obvious- as homosexual relationships are inherently. But when there is known domestic violence, there is plenty of outrage. But unfortunately there is still not much the public can do about unhealthy pairings of any variety- when it involves adults anyway. Child abuse? tons of outrage!! And definite action that can be taken.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    I realize that and many do keep the L of C. But if that law weren't in place, they probably would be having sex with a same gender person. What I'm saying is that if there isn't a "sexual desire" there but only an interest ( as in wanting a friendship or close relationship) in the same gender, I wouldn't really call it homosexuality.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    What do you mean by living as a homosexual in healthy ways? Do you mean by not having sex? by abstaining and learning to be happy without? Or is there some secret, quiet way of living a homosexual lifestyle that is healthy? If it's not for sex, I can't imagine that a person is really homosexual. Perhaps they just identify more intensely with their own gender. Maybe they like things that are culturally assigned more frequently to the opposite gender. But it's the sex in "homosexual" that puts them truly in that category. Unless it doesn't. I have a friend who's sister is married to another woman. but she insists she's not homosexual but came out of a very bad marriage to a man and got extremely close to a woman in the recovery period and ended up married to her. She is not actually attracted to women. (Yikes!! That is so messed up.) I think women are beautiful- more than men. I talk and associate more closely with women. I'm not extremely feminine in my dress and behavior. I prefer jeans, t-shirts and button downs. I have a hard time talking to men. 99% of my close friends are women. I identify with women. I hate to cook. But I am not homosexual in any way. I have no desire to marry or be intimate with a woman. So what is it really that puts a person in the category of homosexual if sexual interest isn't the driving and defining force? What are "the other more important ones"?
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    Did you really mean "live my life"? Or was that a typo. If not, why are you powerless?
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    Maybe because men weren't physically designed to have sex with each other. Neither are women with women. The puzzle pieces don't fit. If they were meant to have sex with each other there would have been some God -given or ( evolutional if you're more inclined that way) accommodation made in the human body to have that happen in a way that is physiologically natural. Since there isn't, the sex act is done in ways that are not natural and are in fact harmful to the body. True that men and women also have sex sometimes in ways that weren't meant to happen. And the dangers are the same.
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    Stacey Harkey comes out

    My daughter grew up with one of the original Studio C group. That girl isn't breaking with church standards although she is very supportive of Stacey Harkey.
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    Age Change Announcement

    NO actually you thought you were so crafty and in true Vort form wanted to make someone feel like an idiot. does that make you feel so much better about yourself? So you twisted it to make me look like a fool and you didn't address my concern at all.
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    Age Change Announcement

    You missed the point.
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    Age Change Announcement

    Ok it's still not perfect. Here's one situation in our ward: We have one girl with a fall birthday in one of the MIA Maid classes. This week I was driving her somewhere in my car with my daughter who is in her school age class ( freshmen in high school) and she was bemoaning the fact that she has to move up to Laurels a whole six months before her friends (there are 7 others) from school and that she hates her SS class because no one she's friends with is in it. So with these changes, she will have to become a laurel a whole year before her friends instead of just 6 months. She is going to be furious. I still think organizing by school year the way they used to was the best. And for some reason, receiving the priesthood at 11 just doesn't feel right to me. what if their birthday is Dec. 31st and they are immature. that's like a 10 yr old holding the priesthood. 😟