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The church first put restrictions on who's work could be done in the (besides when they first started) in the '50s. The reason was a New York City ward took it upon them selves to do all the work for the victims of the holocaust. The repercutions as you could imagine were stagering. I think a lot of work will have to be redone any way. A long time ago it was SOP (even if the husband was a worthy priesthood holder) to send for example your grandmother who lets say died 1930 to be sealed to Joseph Smith Jr. or other Pres.'s of the church or even members of the quorum of the seventy. Its going to take the entire millenium to fix things I think. (j/k maybe a few hundred years)

Not that I'm into quoting movies but... "I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I've seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God" (-Kingdom of Heaven) I liked that one so much I wrote it down. In the Bible, Book of Mormon, Torah and the Koran I kinda got that "we are right they are wrong" kinda thing going. In all of them it says God will solve that in the end. In none of them does it say we need to take that into our own hands. -food for thought

RE: Mrs S, That number you gave me goes to a teletype processor. I found another number, on the family search web site. They refered me to another number, who refered me to another number, who..... you get the idea. Will try again when they come back to work tomorrow at 0930 local time. Thanks for the idea. RE: xhenli, Q: "First of all, how do you know that the child in the matter is born in the covenant?" A: When the young woman first came to us with the story I had her go to the ward clerk and get a copy of her membership records to check. It said she was BIC. It also had the names of her parents and the pertaining temple work for them it all concurred what she said. Q: "Also, I know for a fact that my mother has done genealogical research and submitted names to the temple (for which I did proxy initiatory) on lines tangential to her lines, and NOT her direct ancestors. These were people connect by shirt tails, but not by blood." A: My director says there are two kinds of "shirt tail relatives" 1) your grandfather's brother. You can do his work b/c there is blood there. 2) your grandfather's brother's wife. Her work can't be done until one hundred years after her death. The one hundred year rule also goes for ancestors from the middle east, and a few other specific situations.

Thank you I'll give them a jingle and let you know what they have to say.

I am at the stake level. The next level is the temple. So we called the temple and were given very indecisive answers.

Sorry I ment does she have any claim with P2. I called our local temple they didn't know and couldn't give me a number to SLC.

I'm sorry rosie!!! No I didn't think you were mocking me at all. I have found one of my weaknesses is some times I tend to gather info to the point the problem never gets solved ( that can be bad ) I think everything will be ok in the end. It's just we decided to raise our children Catholic when we first started talking about marriage. It wasn't a big deal to me b/c I didn't go to church at all and hadn't gone for at least 3 years before we met. I still think raising them Catholic is a good idea b/c I would consider myself to be the most likely one to go inactive. She has a huge extended family here that are all very active also. I think by numbers alone they will have a larger support system for staying active. I guess I'm depressed that I won't be able to give our first child a blessing in the church. When we first found out we were having a baby the bishop we had then said that his biggest regret was he didn't get to bless his children. That has stuck with me ever seance. I'm still thankful for all the advice I have been given. Until recent I never knew that there was a support group like this. I am deeply apreacitive for all your advice.

I didn't explain the situation well, sorry. Let me try to again: A) Mom (person 1) gets married to her first husband (person 2) in the temple. B) P1 gets divorced from P2. C) P2 leaves the church going back to the Jewish faith he was born with. D) P1 gets married to P3 not in the temple. E) P1 and P3 have a child (P4). F) P3 leaves the church never having gone to the temple. G) P4 wants to know should she do any temple work for P2, whom she never met and is not related to in any way. She has been doing work for P1 (bio. mother) and P3 (bio. father) her parents who she was raised by. The only connection P4 has to P2 is her mother was sealed to him before she was born, thus allowing her to be born under the covenant. H) The church has standing agreements with several other churches (mostly Jewish) that you can only submit temple work for "your" ancestors. Submitting work for any one else would be a violation of the standing policy of the church. Does she have any claim with P3, even though they have never met, are not related and due to the nature of the divorce never wants to meet if she could help it. I think thats a better description of the situation. It has a lot of people here stumped. P.S. (RE: mom) Does the church have a policy that you are aware of about being sealed to adopted parent vs bio. parents?

Mom you bring up a good point. LDS represent about 2% of the family history center users (excluding the staff [ the staff is about 50-50 split]). The church represents less than 2% of the general population for several counties around. Catholic's claim more than 80% The rest are mostly Anglican (althoe that may change due to recent leadership changes on the national level). After that Methodist take whats left with trace amounts of other groups. On another note: One night in the family history center a young woman came and said "Oh good someone here I have a situation I can't solve." Here is a question I have come across that has stumped every one I have asked maybe your collective knowledge can help: 1) Her mother was sealed to her first husband. 2) Her bio. parents were never sealed together. 3) She was born in the covenant because her mother is sealed to her first husband. 4) Her father has never been to the temple, nor will he be. (He has chosen to leave the church some years ago, and actively serves as a Baptist lay minister.) Question: Does she do the genealogy for her mothers first husband b/c thats the father figure who she is sealed to?

Shan I loved your post, thanks for the pep talk. Re: to Rosie, "I think you know more than you think you do." I by trade am a carpenter. I am required by my union to take a lot of OSHA classes each year. The biggest contributing factor to accidents each year in industry situations each year according to OSHA is over confidence. I agree with you that home work won't always help but ten times out of ten I will always learn something from a different perspective even if the homework didn't help. I would like to avoid pit falls before I come to them. I was told once that "good decisions come from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions." I hope doing homework will turn this law from a rule of thumb to a law that only applies sometimes.

Thats great that their are so many of you out there. Even better that you actively engage in temple work! I have found that more nonLDS use the LDS genealogy tools than LDS do. I work at the family history center in my area several wards consolidate into it. We have about as many nonLDS on the staff as we do LDS. In this case I think its a very good thing, seeing as I have never seen a member of the church (not on the staff) go in there, unless s/he was new and made a wrong turn. Maybe I'm misinturpiting this. The church has made it very clear they plan to abolish tiny history centers like the one I work and put everything on the internet.

Without saying it to each other (remember we were 18 & 19, when we got married) we were hoping the other would convert. If that didn't work we were going to wait out the second coming when Christ made the "Christs church of all Abraham's descendants first church and employment company." I agree with Shan, a convert or die attitude should have died with the third crusade. Hopping that the child will be baptized at age 8 I'm afraid may also be to ambitious, thats when Catholics receive the sacrament of confirmation, where they put the same outfit on that umpteen grandparents ago had when they came over on the mayflower. (not that bad, but you get the point.) I think something very traumatic may have to occur to shake her belief system to its foundation to make a swicth. Only time will tell all I can do is keep on keeping on. I would still like to hear from you guys / gals on the matter you have had good ideas on finding middle ground.

It's sad that there hasn't been any activity here for as long as there has. I guess that it just goes to reinforce the thuth that LDS members are into geneology as much as nonmembers.

In the end I think it would be great if the child was raised Mormon, but I don't think any one needs "Gods authority" to put the following into practice: 1) loving one another, 2) servinging others, 3) following the teachings of Christ and lastly 4) seting a good example. If your Mormon, Catholic or any other Christian this should be all you strive for. Do you guys/ gals think that statment is one of an apostate? I have been told in my ward it is. I don't want to do the wrong thing, but I have to let the childs mother have a say also. Is that carzy? re: shanstress70 When we got married 5 years ago she and I didn't go to church at all. It wasn't a big deal. In the past few years we both have become very active encouraging each other to practice our faith more. Then we came to the road block of childhood. I was told in the Army when I was a combat engineer that "obstacles are not going to keep us out of where we want to go. they are there to buy the person who put them there time. Obstacles are ment to be overcome." He was a hooah soldier he was talking about land mines and such but I read a double meaning. I know we will make together and that this is just an obstacle ment to over come. IF you do your home work first and don't deal with it when you get to it.

I agree a good example goes a long way. My lovely wife and I have a baby on the way, a good exaple is great for a silent observer. What do I do when the baby can talk? How do we make LDS / Cotholic decisions. What I mean by that is on TV the other night a guy said "Marriage is about comprimise. She wanted a cat, I didn't so we comprimised and got a cat." There isn't such a thing as a "Roman Mormon" (aside from LDS members in Rome). I am stronly aposed to making this the baby's problem, b/c thats alot to leave up to a baby. This wouldn't be so hard if my wife was a "Easter, Christmas" Chatolic, or I was an inactive member; however, this isn't the case we are both very active. So what are some practices you folks use to "effectivly" compramise?

The topic title is harsh for my situation. I was raised in the church, my wife was raised catholic. My callings keep me busy. My wife's calling keep her busy. Both of us are active in our faiths. Both of us attend each others out side of Sunday activities. What tips do mixed religous marriages use to 1) both of you advance in our faiths, 2) not step on each others toes of faith, 3) now throw kids in the mix what do you do?