BJ64

It is interesting though that gays are held to a different standard from others at BYU. While all single students are required to abstain from sex, things which do not break the law of Chastity for heterosexual people such as hugging, kissing, holding hands and dating are prohibited acts for gay people and will get them expelled. Homosexual behavior is prohibited and that does not include sex only. I believe this is also the standard for gays getting temple recommends.

In a religious sense celibacy is most closely associated with catholic priests, nuns, monks and so forth who for religious reasons vow to not marry. Of course abstaining from sex is a part of a vow to not marry. As I said before the church does not require celibacy af anyone (except perhaps missionaries while serving). While people throw the word around, gays are not required to be celibate either. They are always free to marry someone of the opposite sex.

That was a joke. I guess I should have put a smiley face after it.

No, I think you are mistaken. She clearly says you can be married and celibate which are contradictory terms.

You can only be married and celibate if you change the meaning of the word celibate.

No, I wasn’t mistaken. Perhaps you did not read my post well because I provided the Definition. Celibacy is to abstain from marriage and sex. You can’t be married and celibate and no one in the church is required to be celibate as far as traditional marriage is concerned.

There you go again confusing Celibacy and the law of Chastity. cel·i·ba·cy ˈseləbəsē/ noun the state of abstaining from marriage and sexual relations. No one in the church is commanded to be celibate. Celibacy is not a feature of our religion. Do you know how stupid it sounds to say that in the church everyone is commanded to abstain from marriage until marriage?

I knew exactly what he meant. I merely pointed out that he said celibacy and law of Chastity are the same thing when they aren’t.

It’s just that several times you stated that hey were the same thing so I’m just making it clear that they are not.

I know the meaning of both words but you keep using them interchangeably even in regard to heterosexual people. To my knowledge the temple recommend question does not say “do you live the law of celibacy?”

Here again you confuse celibacy and the law of Chastity. Apparently you don’t know the meaning of the word celibacy, which is to abstain from marriage. No one in the church is commanded to be celibate except gay members who want a same sex marriage and of course missionaries are not allowed to marry while on their missions. Celibacy as a commandment does not exist in the church except for gays which I would assume is the reason the author said it is a false commandment or false doctrine or whatever you said he said and gays are not required to be celibate if they choose to marry someone of the opposite gender.

This is what you said and what I made reference to.

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Anyone who enjoys sex should care about their sex drive.

Celibacy and the law of Chastity are two different things. Married couples live the law of Chastity but are not, hopefully, celibate.

Testosterone drives female sex drive as well.

Testosterone drives female sex drive as well.

Of course!

He commanded her not to do so. If Satan had not tempted her to disobey then they might still be in the garden and we would not be here.

Yes, very true!😄

But you do not control your sex drive. By this I mean you do not control how strong it is.

Here is what I said “Many people think they are in control of themselves when it’s actually hormones that are controlling them.“ While how you act is under your control, unless you use hormonal intervention you do not control your sex drive. Your hormones control your sex drive whether that be high or low. Your hormones don’t influence your sex drive they control it. Hormones don’t influence a woman’s cycle they control it. A woman can’t just use her willpower to override her monthly cycle. Hormones don’t make a man commit sexual sin but they control is desire or drive to commit such acts. Hence my statement that a man with low testosterone does not have the same challenge that a man with high testosterone has in avoiding sexual sin and that an old man who has no desire for sex thinks it’s because he has overcome the temptation when in fact he is no longer tempted because he no longer has the biological drive to do such things. My point in bringing this up in this thread is that if same sex attraction is controlled by some biological function that the person has no control over then I believe he would be judged differently than a person who does not have that biology. Of course that is speculative since officially we don’t know the cause of same sex attraction. By officially I mean the official stance of the church is that we don’t know the cause. I will add that there are many emotional, mental and phycological conditions which control people’s behavior which the person has no control over. These people will not be judged the same as others

I’m not saying they haven’t been tempted. I’m saying that men with low testosterone, speaking mostly of 50+ men here do not have the difficulty resisting sexual temptation that younger men have and although they think it’s because they have developed a great amount of self control it’s mostly because they have lost the desire. However, in a broader sense hormones do control your body. Your body is regulated by them and there’s nothing you can do about it short of hormonal intervention. Hormones turn a boy into a man and a girl into a woman. They regulate a women’s cycle and they give a man a constant sex drive so he will mate with the woman. Hormones regulate metabolism and blood sugar. They give you the fight or flight response. They control hunger and satiety. Yes hormones do control you in a very real sense.

I never said we are not responsible for it. What I have repeatedly said is that it’s much easy to control a low sex drive than a high sex drive with the difference of the two being testosterone.

As I wrote before all men are expected to maintain the same standard of sexual purity. However the man with the higher testosterone level is going to have to work at it harder than the man with the low level. A man with low testosterone and little sexual desire is not going to be tempted to the same degree as a high testosterone man. That’s just how it works and is the primary reason why an old couple may only desire sex once a month while a young couple may want it once a day. The “self control” that older men think they have developed over time may merely be the loss of testosterone and it’s effects. It is also why it’s unlikely that a ninety year old man will be tempted to engage in pornography and masturbation while a young might. Again that’s simply how hormones work. If you don’t understand that then you’ve never felt the effects of fluctuations in testosterone. The loss of testosterone is gradual and not noticed by many men but bring an older man’s testosterone level up to that of a teenager and he’ll testify of the difference it made in his sex life.