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About Fether

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    Southern Utah
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    Being right, stomping the under-dog in "Risk", winning, causing others to lose, blocking people's tracks in "Ticket to Ride", playing drums
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    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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  1. If only our church leadership had legal counsel as good as you
  2. I absolutely would and am. Easy way to avoid this. Say “hey we are holding the family reunion, if you are worried, then don’t come”
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    Safely Passing The Sacrament These Days

    We just pass around a goblet that we all sip from, everyone gets their own inch length of rim they can sip from. No one sick yet.
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    Some good from Affirmative Action?

    I'll add some more context. It is an hour long chapter on my audio book, but I'll do my best. And admittedly, as I listen to the chapter again, he doesn't mention the rigorous nature of the school as being the reason people drop out, but he does offer a lot of other insights that back the find/claim. - Harvard has been believing this way since the 1960s. They specifically admit high level athletes with minimal intelligence needed to enter the school purely because those students have enough success outside the classroom that they won't become overwhelmed with the stress of keeping up with their peers. They then become the bottom 25% so that the truly intelligent students don't feel worthless when they only score a 90% on a test. There will always be a bottom 25% and so they make sure the bottom 25% are people that succeed elsewhere in life. - There were two interviews in the book, one with a student that went to Brown, and the other that want to Harvard. Both Were extremely bright, one of which had enough credits for a bachelor's degree by the time he graduated high school. They both went to school and ended up switching to an easier major. Both said they did it cause they weren't able to keep up with the other students. One even said she would still be in science (original major) had she gone to an easier school. Had you compared her test scores to every other student in the nation in the same course, she would have been in the 95th percentile. - In academic economics, there are economic journals that everyone reads and respects. Journals are accepted based on content and creativity. When you compare "big fish in little ponds" (smart kids at small colleges) and "little fish in big ponds" (average students at top colleges), the top students at the small schools were almost always better at producing journals than good students at the best schools. The 99% percentile of Harvard and MIT students produced over 4 articles in the first 6 years of their academic career journals while the top 50%. at the 80% percentile they average LESS than 1 paper over the 6 years. at the 55% who are brilliant enough to make it into Harvard will not produce a single paper. At mediocre schools (non top 30), the very best students (I believe he said top 90%) at the non-top 30 schools produce 1.5 journals on average each. Concerning your question about the worst students at high level schools being smarter than top students at low level schools, this likely isn't the same everywhere, but the top 1/3 math SAT scores at Hartwick University were 500 and the worst 1/3 SAT Scores at Harvard with 580. All in all... It makes perfect sense to me. It is human nature to compare yourself and base your worth off of how everyone else is doing. People hate being the worst in class more than they enjoy being the best in the world. This isn't a matter of killing imperfect babies, it is a matter of adding disabled babies so that the less than perfect babies have a higher self image and succeed more.
  5. Been listening to the book David and Goliath by Malcolm Gladwell. In it he talks about how the bottom 25% of students in top schools, despite being more intelligent, do worst and drop out more often than the top students at low level schools. The reason being is the psychological effect of feeling average or being the worst in the room is too much for most people to deal with. So a tactic high level schools use is they admit athletes and other less intelligent people with excellent extra curricular talents to act as academical canon fodder for those there purely for the degree. I suspect this is inadvertently happening with schools everywhere due to affirmative action. Admitting a bunch of unqualified students on the basis of race helps the qualified students succeed as their competition is on a drastically lower level than them.
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    Help from our leaders...

    All the info needed to get through these hard times are found in the ensign, general conference talks, scripture, and personal revelation.
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    Apartment Hunting

    I actually have no idea. I have some family up there and I have always enjoyed it
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    Apartment Hunting

    If you want to be close to the city, but not in it, check out Stansbury Park. Bountiful is nice too. Saratoga Springs and American Fork are nice too
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    Apartment Hunting

    Are you specifically looking for something around Provo? What brings you to Utah? I would second what was said above. Avoid Provo unless you are going to school
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    My doubting daughter

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    My doubting daughter

    I agree, what I’m suggesting is that just because a person is 12 years old doesn’t mean serious doubts will arrive. I have a sibling that decided am they were trans gender at the age of 14, I am sure a 12 year old can have serious complaints or disbelief in what has been taught about God.
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    My doubting daughter

    You know your son more than I do, but I thought I was suggest that 12 year old are capable of complex thought just like us adults, they are just less likely to voice it when it comes up.
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    My doubting daughter

    David Omankay?
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    My doubting daughter

    I think the nest approach is to tell them “this is something you need to figure out on your own” and the. Go over different ways people have felt the spirit and periodically ask them how their journey is going. Here I feel like you can be a little proactive in asking. Be inquisitive but carry with it no expectations. I think the biggest issue is telling them that the spirit feels a certain way and then asking them if they feel that emotion over and over.
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    My doubting daughter

    Just speaking from experience, I am a person that was not sensitive to the spirit and was always annoyed at the traditional tactics used to teach us to recognize the spirit. Ie “how does that make you feel?” or tried to pry out some imaginary feeling that I wasn’t experiencing following a prayer or Reading of a scripture. I never felt anything noticeably different. To this day I still get a very irritated at those types of questions, not sure why, just always felt it was a bit of a “trap” question I guess. One with a correct answer and you would feel bad if you said “I feel nothing” cause it either shows you are not righteous, or you don’t want to put the teacher/leader in a position where he/she has to explain why the scripture/testimony didn’t produce a feeling as he expected it to. I know that this is a common question parents and leaders ask, not sure if it does more good than bad, but I feel like there are better ways to help people recognize the spirit. what really helped me was living the gospel and being around leaders that challenged my understanding of scripture, and leaders / that I could say “Joseph Smith did X and that does make any sense to me, it honestly seems like this is all hullabaloo”. My parents taught me a lot and were very loving, but they couldn’t provide me the gospel discussion I craved, their responses ranged from “we just don’t know and may never know” to using the “I’m talking to my baby” tone of voice. Not sure if that helped, but your question just sparked my emotions on the topic.