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I don't live too far from Queen Creek. Whatsup?

I was just informing him what I've heard intelligent people think about that kind of thinking. I've never thought he wasn't intelligent. I think he's a pretty smart guy from what I can see on this forum.

Give me examples of how I'm insulting people.

Huntsman would crush anybody in a general. His problem is he stands no chance in a primary. I would vote for him in the general over any Democrat.

The problem isn't that Vort isn't a nice guy or disciple of Christ. A big problem i'm seeing on this thread is that people make assumptions that aren't accurate.

The problem isn't that Vort isn't a nice guy or disciple of Christ. A big problem i'm seeing on this thread is that people make assumptions that aren't accurate.

There should be a law that says the U.S. can't spend more than double the next country in line. Yay or nay

Not everybody is like you Vort.

Do they mean in church or school? If they mean in church it will get shot down by the courts.

What liberties are being infringed?

I find it ironic that it’s ok to accuse me and 50% of the youth of not following the spirit. The moment I do it I get lambasted. I’m willing to say I made a mistake. Are you?

So anybody you agree with you can have a respectful conversation? Why can't you do that with people you disagree with? It's because you are in your own echo chamber and cognitive dissonance . I've been told that's a sign of lower intelligence.

🤣 Its over its coming like a rough stone rolling.

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That was hearsay not so long ago. It was essentially not obeying the prophet. The very same thing I’m being accused of now.

In 20-40 years that rate will be 90-100%. Then after older folks die off you'll be looking at the youth growing up carrying that acceptance with them. That leaves the church with only four options. It bleeds out, America fails, becomes a foreign church or it embraces LGBTQ. I hope that the church embraces LGBTQ. After all the spirit will be witnessing to the members that it is accepted and not something to abhor.

So you’re implying the youth don’t have the spirit?

The problem is that most of you are viewing this as a zero sum game. I would cheer for joy if gays were allowed in the Temple. The reason wouldn't be because I want to win some silly forum argument. Thinking like that just further entrenches people. The LGBT issue is very deep, personal and if I say so spiritual. That's why it is so difficult to change a person's mind despite the facts of the situation. I never claimed the youth have the spirit more than anybody else. Are you getting at that older generations have the spirit more? It really is a case-by-case situation and not really knowable. I'm listening to the spirit of God. You shall know by how good the works are. Having gays in the Temple is a good work and spiritually clean.

That's exactly what I was getting at. I don't think the church changes based on popular demand. The church changes according to God's will. His will has been the same yesterday, today and fore ever. Those changes are however predicated on the willingness of members to accept his will. He's not going to hinder the church when the members aren't ready for it. For surely, his ways are higher than our ways. He will reveal his will here a little and there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept. It's just that now over 50% of youth in the church accept gay marriage. That means the spirit is acting in their lives. Unless off course you want to deny they have the spirit with them. Something big is brewing with the youth of the church. Similar to how opinion changed with the black priesthood ban. When the members were ready for it then it was revealed to the prophet. I do believe that when the members are ready LGBT will be allowed full fellowship in the church.

Do you guys think that the church's position on same-sex issues will stop the rough stone from rolling? My generation mostly supports gays unconditionally. The next generation is even more fervent in support of gays. That includes a good percentage of church youth.

Here's some rag news for you. It's a Republican speaking so it might hold some credence with some of you. I'm focusing on the criminal justice reform part. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-lindsey-graham-i-don-t-see-any-indication-that-doj-is-interfering-with-mueller-1374040643956

"put off their filth" This is a good time to remind everybody that just because something is gross and abhorrent to your senses doesn't make it wrong.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

It’s like abortion. I feel deep in my heart that’s wrong. Yet, I haven’t received a firm answer from the spirit.