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  1. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    8 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

    Oh, there's a mix up with English here.

    "Orthodox" with a big O is a name for a church, such as Eastern Orthodox or Oreintal Orthodox. 

    "orthodox" with a small o is means matching what is traditionally accepted as true.  Which of course varies on which tradition you were looking at, hence why we were asking for further elaboration.  Big O Orthodox carries a very different meaning.  

    I have actually studied Eastern Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox traditions.  There are some similarities to LDS, and some differences.

    OK sorry for that. 

  2. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    20 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

    You mean the Eastern Orthodox Church?  The Orthodox Catholic Church, 2nd-largest Christian church, 250 million members - that orthodox Christianity?

    One thing I've always found true, when you come across a Catholic who says "no, that's not what I mean by orthodox", you're in for a wild ride of new definitions of words with which you're not familiar.

    So I am really curious - do you do burnt offerings or not?

    Yes I am speaking about the eastern orthodox faith and no we don't burn offerings we eat from the sacrament which is made of bread and wine the difference LDS church use bread and water. https://youtu.be/jxdbE7033Ho open this link it tells you everything about our faith because most people don't know it. 

  4. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    10 minutes ago, Vort said:

    This is false. The practice, not the doctrine, was abandoned. To be more correct, the practice was rescinded by revelation.

    To be more correct, the practice was rescinded by revelation.

    Those portions were not offensive. Not in the least. So you don't know what you're talking about.

    There are always heretics and apostates. These don't matter.

     

    Nope.

    I don't think revelation can be changed at least if it's from God and I am not sure about the offensive portions about the priests but I heard it even though I don't care about the priests. 

     

  6. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

    To be honest, we really don't spend much time thinking about matters of Catholic orthodoxy.  We believe our church is led by Christ, through His prophets.  We believe in current, ongoing revelation.  So we occationally change this or that, have a revelation about this or that, emphasize something more and something else less.  When these things happen, I really doubt any of us think much about whether that brings us closer to the Catholic way of being Christian, or not.  

    I mean, I like Catholics.  I know you guys see the Christian world through a motherly lens of "We raised you, and now you are off wandering strange paths, but as you mature you will come back to us, because we're Christ's church."  I know you think in such terms of "this wayward child recently changed and is moving closer" and "that wayward child is still believing wrong things so I'll pray for them".  But we don't.  

    If you want to see any changes my church makes in terms of orthodox or heresy, go for it.  Happy to have you here.  Perhaps you might someday add to our number of former Catholics who were directed by God to come over to the restored Gospel. :)

    Actually I don't believe you're doctrine to be a heresy. Actually I believe in Joseph Smith. But I am speaking about what is the path that LDS church is going through. 

  7. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    Posted · Edited by Jeries

    9 minutes ago, Vort said:

     

     

    9 minutes ago, Vort said:

    I think it depends on what you mean by "Mormonism" and "orthodoxy". By "Mormonism", do you mean the body of the Saints of God? Or do you mean the institutional structure of the Church and the formal doctrines taught therein? I will assume the latter.

    That leaves us with the question of "orthodoxy". What do you mean by that?

    • In the sense of the Orthodox Catholic Church? No.
    • In the general sense of orthodoxy? Depends on what you mean.
      • In the sense of the overall "orthodoxy" of larger Christianity, e.g. the belief in the Trinity and in the incorporeality of God? No.
      • Or do you mean in the sense of being "orthodox" to foundational LDS teachings? By definition, the Church is and has been "orthodox" to its own teachings. So it would be wrong to claim that "Mormonism", either the formal institution or the body of Saints, is moving toward what it has always held to.

    Huh. I guess maybe it doesn't depend. The answer appears to be "no" in any case.

    Whats written above. 

  8. Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy

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    Posted · Edited by Jeries
    Just for knowledge.

    Is mormonism moving towards orthodoxy because:

    Since 1830

    1- the LDS church abandoned the doctrine of polygamy (at least in mortality) 

    2-the LDS abandoned the policy of prohibiting those African heritage from holding the unique priesthood. 

    3-the LDS church has altered its temple ceremony and removed offensive portions that portrayed Christian ministers as hireling of Satan. 

    4-some LDS scholars and apologist seem to be questioning teachings that clearly place mormonism outside of Christian faith. 

    (sorry if there is problem in english english is not my first language) 

  11. Does Christian marriage work to enter the highest level of the celestial kingdom

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    1 minute ago, Jane_Doe said:

    Another HUGE things to mention:

    ANY marriage between a man and human who respect each other and include God in their relationship is not just a 'good' thing, it's a GREAT thing approved of God.

    Speaking from the LDS perspective, when such a couple further invite God into their union by making a promise with Him and further committing themselves to Him, that allows Him to further bless that now GODLY union.  So that it's not just for this mortal life (which is the best man can do), but for eternity (which is the best God can do).  

     

    Speaking personally, I myself am an LDS lady married to a non-denominational dude.  My husband is the love of my life, and we have a GREAT marriage.  I would do believe that he will one day want God to participate more in our life/marriage, but he's not there right this second.  Still, I love him 100%.  We are completely 100% welcomed in the LDS community.

    Thanks for this wonderful speech. 

  14. Does Christian marriage work to enter the highest level of the celestial kingdom

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    5 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:

    Depends on what you consider a Christian Marriage.  Most Christian Marriages are constrained exactly as whatever sect of Christianity they are a part of.  The over-riding belief of most Christian religions is that marriage is only until death.  Hence many vows say until death do we part.  These marriages are ONLY until death.  Hence, they in and of themselves will not allow one to enter into the Highest Level of the Celestial Kingdom.  We believe that to do so, one must be married.  If the marriage ends at death, by default, they are no longer married in the afterlife.  They can enter the Celestial Kingdom, but not the highest degree thereof.  We believe that is reserved only for those who are married in the afterlife.

    There are some Christian marriages that extend into eternity.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a church that has been given the authority and keys to unite a man and a woman together in marriage.  Only the Lord can approve such a marriage and it needs to be done under his authority and in a way that he approves.  We, in the Church feel this is done in a Temple where we believe they couple can be sealed in marriage together for all time and eternity.  Thus, the vow is NOT until death do we part, but for time and all eternity (thus being in the afterlife as well).

    We also have a belief that those who are part of marriages that are until death, or that are only temporal and only for this life can still have their marriage last.  This needs to be done in this life.  This is one reason why we do these strange things people hear about which are ordinances for the dead.  We take the names of relatives that had such marriages as I mentioned at first (until death or that were married without the priesthood authority) to the temple and act in proxy for them.  It is the same ordinance, but we do it with names in regards to the dead.   We believe that, if the couple so desires in the afterlife, and chooses to accept this ordinance, that it is possible that they can have their marriage continue.

    However, it needs to be done in mortality.  In heaven we do not believe people are given in marriage.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of the few churches that believe in marriage in the afterlife.  A study of most other Christian religions will reveal that they do not believe this in their articles, and hence will ONLY marry people till death do they part.  AS this is how they practice, this is how their marriages are.  They are temporal constructs.  However, our church is an oddity in that we believe not only do we exercise the Lord's authority to marry individuals for eternity, but that we can also do this in our temples to enable those who did not have this opportunity but wish to have it, be able to choose to have this type of marriage.

    Hope that answers the question.

    It answers. 

  15. Does Christian marriage work to enter the highest level of the celestial kingdom

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    1 minute ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    If I understand you correctly:  a marriage solemnized by a minister not a member of the LDS faith, will not benefit from the power of the Aaronic or Melchizedek priesthoods.  However, the Lord still honors the couple’s willingness to make a covenant with each other.  On that basis the couple’s union is not seen as being an act of fornication.  But, the couple will still need to seek a temple sealing if they want to qualify for the blessings of eternal marriage and exaltation. 

    Thank you very much.