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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Well, if your definition of "Know Him" is only applicable if God was mortal, then sure. You don't know both the Father and the Holy Ghost. I don't see it that way. I know a lot of things about the Father and the Holy Ghost just as I know a lot of things about Jesus Christ. If not, it would be quite impossible to have a personal relationship with them.
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    The Plan of Salvation and dependence

    For God to be God, He needs be Just AND Merciful. If He is not Just, He ceases to be God. If He is not Merciful, He ceases to be God. The Atonement is the condition by which God remains both Just and Merciful. This has nothing to do with dependence but more to do with the plain fact that it is impossible for us to save ourselves.
  3. There is NO REQUIREMENT to take any training to be called into any scout leadership position including Scout Master in an LDS troop. This has been a source of frustration for a lot of troops when they call a totally green person to be a Scout Master who doesn't even know what Merit Badges are.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    We DO know. The Holy Ghost is a personage of the Godhead. Saying that we don't know the identity of the Holy Ghost is like saying we don't know the identity of the Father.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Traveler... where in Scripture does it say that we should not drink COFFEE? This is not about words. This is about telling JohnsonJones that Adam or Joseph Smith being the Holy Ghost is IMPOSSIBLE. In any case, Fully Divine is taught in many scriptures even as the exact phrasing is not used - see Matthew 28:18 and Colossians 2:9, for example. The phrase Fully Divine appears in several of our manuals to describe the fullness of the Godhead including Bodily Fullness. For example: the pre-CFM Seminary NT manual which appears when searching for the phrase in lds.org.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Which has ZERO to do with JohnsonJones' claim that Adam - the First Man - is the Holy Ghost - a personage of the Godhead.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Traveler... you are completely removed from the conversation happening above. "Philosophies of men mingled in scripture" is FULLY on the other side of this conversation.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    I am not speculating. It is REQUIRED to have qualified for a perfected body to be a God. It is, after all, the main teaching of the resurrection. And this is why speculating is a dangerous sport. You get to be speculating so far into deep space that you end up unmoored from the foundations of Christ's teaching. Most, if not all of the things you stated here about the Holy Ghost are in this territory.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    It is an important distinction when Jesus was born of Mary - he did not become Just Mortal nor was he Half-Divine Half-Mortal. Rather, he was Fully Divine while at the same time Fully Mortal. This distinction is very important especially in the discussion where somebody is making an argument that Adam or Joseph Smith are the Holy Ghost as well as using the teaching of the Holy Ghost being a personage of Spirit. Adam and Joseph being the Holy Ghost is, of course, impossible as neither Adam nor Joseph were Fully Divine while being Fully Mortal - something that a personage in the Godhead would HAVE TO BE. At the same time, as Jesus divested of his Body to become Fully Mortal while remaining Fully Divine, so too can the Holy Ghost divest of his Body and remain Fully Divine to dwell within us.
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    Epstein Suicided

    Occam's razor would intelligently posit that a coward will not have the gonads to kill oneself by kneeling off a bunk bed. Jumping off a chair, yes - the decision only takes that one second of courage to kick off the chair and one's survival instinct cannot do anything about it. Kneeling off a bunk bed requires having the courage to suppress the survival instinct for the considerable length of time it takes to suffocate and die. That's not cowardly.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    The bolded above is an incorrect reading. The Holy Ghost being a personage without a body doesn't mean that "he has not gotten a body yet". You cannot be a God and not have a Body. But, just as Jesus Christ can shed His Body and take on a Mortal Body being fully Divine while being Fully Mortal, so can the other personages of the Godhead do so if their calling requires it. But the fact still remains - the Holy Ghost is a personage of the Godhead and is, therefore, Fully Divine. Adam is not. Joseph Smith is not. Therefore, Adam and Joseph needed to come into Mortality like all of us to gain full understanding and knowledge - line upon line, precept upon precept.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Sure. But they were ALREADY GODS when the Plan of Salvation was given to us.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    Of course it is contradictory. Gods don't have to go through the Plan of Salvation to become Gods because they're already God. Jesus Christ did because He offered Himself as a sacrifice to fulfill the atonement. Gods do not sin which is why they are Gods. Jesus did not sin because He is God. Adam sinned, Joseph Smith sinned, etc... so they were not Gods. Mortals don't become Gods until the Final Judgment which has not yet happened.
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    What’s the last movie you watched?

    Guarding Tess This was free on Sony Crackle. There are ads but not too much. I cannot stand Nicholas Cage. He's such a terrible actor - and no Oscar is gonna change that. But Shirley Mclaine pulls this one off. I actually enjoyed this even if it's got such a simple storyline with a very predictable ending. Princess Mononoke Found this on the $5 bin in Walmart. It's an anime that got some big names like Minnie Driver and Claire Danes. This movie was confusing. Didn't quite get the motivations between the 2 forces and the tree god. Dark Crystal My husband made me watch this. I'm not a big fan of puppet movies. Fell asleep on this one.
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    Holy Ghost - What do we know about him?

    You're too busy speculating that you have forgotten the basics. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-7-the-holy-ghost?lang=eng The Holy Ghost Came to Adam and Eve Why did Adam and Eve need the guidance of the Holy Ghost? After Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden, they began to till the earth and work at other tasks for their living. They had many children, and their sons and daughters also married and had children (see Moses 5:1–3). Thus, spirit children of our Heavenly Father began leaving His presence to come to the earth as they had been promised (see Abraham 3:24–25). As they came to earth, the memory of their heavenly home was taken from them. But our Father did not shut them away from His influence. He sent the Holy Ghost to comfort and help and guide all of His spirit children. Attributes of the Holy Ghost How does the Holy Ghost differ from the Father and the Son? Why is that difference important to us? The Holy Ghost is a member of the Godhead (see 1 John 5:7; D&C 20:28). He is a “personage of Spirit” (D&C 130:22). He can be in only one place at a time, but His influence can be everywhere at the same time. Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are called the Godhead. They are unified in purpose. Each has an important assignment in the plan of salvation. Our Heavenly Father is our Father and ruler. Jesus Christ is our Savior. The Holy Ghost is the revealer and testifier of all truth. <snip> The Holy Ghost is our Heavenly Father’s messenger and is a special gift to us (see chapter 21 in this book).