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I agree with the second paragraph. The pew research makes it clear that when it says "accepted by society' it means "sinful". Dig into the data and you find some very interesting conclusions, http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/mormon/views-about-homosexuality/ such as 47% of Mormons who believe homosexuality should be accepted believe abortion should be legal in all/most cases. Only 16% of those who believe homosexuality should not be accepted believe that. Or how about 60%!!! of Mormons who believe homosexuality should be accepted believe right or wrong depends on the situation . . . 60%! Only 30% believe that way for those who do not believe homosexuality should be accepted. Only 49% of those who believe homosexuality is okay look to religion for guidance on right/wrong. Contrast that to 73% of those who believe it is wrong that look to religion to guide right/wrong. Those who accept homosexuality pray less, study scripture less, attend church less, and religion is less important by at least fully 20% than those who do not accept. Contrary to what Tyme suggests about more spirituality. The hard data indicates that acceptance of homosexuality leads to less spirituality, less religion, and more Godlessness.

I agree, unfortunately I do believe Tyme is correct that more and more members are sharing his/her opinion on the matter. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/ 24% in 2007 to 36% in 2014 . . .it's probably in the 40s if not approaching 50% 4 years later. Note: this question isn't asking about homosexual marriage, it's asking about whether homosexuality should be accepted (i.e. it's not sinful). More digging into the data for those who are interested: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/mormon/views-about-homosexuality/ Tyme may be wrong theologically, but culturally it's tough to make the claim that he/she is wrong.

Many of them; absolutely not. They are deceived into thinking getting up in F&T and becoming teary-eyed or becoming emotional is the spirit. You are very confident today you are listening to the Spirit of God, yet just yesterday you claimed you didn't know, only that you knew you felt something deep in your heart. What changed? Why did you not know yesterday but today you do know? By their works ye shall know them. Yes that is a very good scripture. Please share what you are studying in your personal scripture reading? When was the last time you have a meaningful prayer to God? Do you thank Him for the good that happens and the bad that happens in your life? . You are judging "works" based off of a very temporary aspect. If I give a child a chocolate candy bar, they will surely feel happy and will "love" me for it. If I tell a child, "no you can not have a chocolate bar right now" they will say "you are mean". A child has no concept of time or long-term best interest. A child does not comprehend that a chocolate candy bar before dinner will spoil their appetite. A child does not understand that eating a candy-bar every day will destroy their health. A child does not understand or comprehend any of that. From a child's perspective, a parent who does not allow them to eat a candy-bar for dinner is "mean", but a parent who does allow them is "nice". For a child, a parent who allows them to have a candy-bar for dinner is showing forth "good works". For a child, a parent doesn't allow them to have a candy-bar is showing forth "bad works". And that is what Satan does, he is the great deceiver, he deceives one into believing what is bad is good and what is good is bad. Satan does not have the long-term good of man in heart, he is only concerned about the here and now. Like a child, Satan cannot look past the front of his nose to understand the greater good. And he convinces others to not look past the front of their nose. Consequently many are blinded today to call good for evil and evil for good. Just like a child. I am very confident in my position, I'm very confident that homosexuality is not of God, in any form. The scriptures back me up, my experience backs it up and wisdom backs it up. We are told in the last days that many will be confused, deceived call good/evil and evil/good. The scriptures describe our days exactly.

Oh and don't worry you might get your wish many bishops now allow homosexuals to date and still go to the temple. I wouldn't cheer that though it just means we are ripening in inquity.

You still have not answered my question. I'm waiting.... In the meantime, you do make some interesting points. First of why would you make the claim that the rising generation has more of the Spirit? What evidence is there of their great spirituality? Do they read God's word, are they scriptorians? How often do they pray? Do they want more Church or less Church? Are they more committed to sacrifice all for God? Are they more or less vulgar then previous generations?How often to they talk think about desire look at sex? If they are more righteous then why is it that do many have problems with porn, which directly goes against Christ's teachings. The scriptures tell us that signs and miracles will follow the righteous. Where are their miracles? You still have not answered the fundamental question WHICH spirit are you listening to? Just as much as there is the Spirit of God there is a spirit of the devil who can appear as an angel of Light. Finally, you hypothesis that the rising generation is more righteous does not in any way follow the pattern of the scriptures, which is there is a grand restoration and then 200 years later God's chosen people fall into wickedness rebellion and require a correction.

That doesn't answer the question. There is a specific reason why you feel the way you do; you need to articulate that reason why-even if it is uncomfortable to articulate. The reason being is that in the actual articulation of that feeling you will discover truths, eternal truths and truths about yourself. Feelings don't just occur out of thin air like magic. There is a process that goes into why we feel the things we do; the more we can articulate the actual reasons and processes behind our feelings the more we can understand them, control them, master them, find errors in our feelings and thought processes. I have very strong feelings on many different subjects, I feel deep in my heart about many things that are wrong-yet I am able to articulate and put pen to paper to explain why I feel the way I feel. Being introspective and really analyzing why you feel the way you do is the path of self-discovery. I would encourage you to think deeply about the questions I've asked. I'm certainly willing to engage more in a conversation-yet the conversation will go no where if your response is simply "I feel deep in my heart". I'm more than willing to explain to you the reasons why I feel deeply in my heart the complete opposite to you on this subject, but unless you are willing to be introspective about your own reasons as to why you feel deeply in your heart, the conversation will go nowhere.

Well you bring up a very interesting point of interpretation of Scripture. Man has been doing that for centuries. In fact that is how all branches of Christianity has come about-disagreement about the meaning and interpretation of Scripture. Which leads to another interesting point, generally speaking for almost 200 years, Saints have generally interpreted the body of the Scriptures in the same way. What happens when we don't? What happens when we get to the point that we can't even agree on what the basic interpretation of what homosexuality is as it is condemned in the Bible?

I think you've hit on a really interesting aspect and I appreciate your openness. I hope that we can continue to have a dialog even if it might get uncomfortable. I think, if I may, pull out a couple of points from your comment. The first is that you freely admit that you've not been guided by the spirit on this one way or the other, yet your current belief on homosexuals is that deep in your heart there is nothing wrong. That's a very interesting juxtaposition. Does this mean that everything you feel deep in your heart is from God, even if you aren't guided by the Spirit on it? How do you know that your current belief deep in your heart is from God? Why do you believe deep in your heart nothing is wrong with it? And if you were wrong and God told you you were wrong, how would you know He was telling you you were wrong? A couple of other personal questions (maybe you don't have to answer them, but for thought), How old are you (millenial, boomer, etc.)? When and how did you come to believe deep in your heart about this issue? Was it a friend, a teacher, popular opinion, etc?

I'm positive he is a good guy and yes absolutely give it a shot. You might be one of the few people who is actually works for. That would be totally awesome if it did work for you. I'm only bringing up this other information that if you are like many for whom the 12 step program does not work-there are other alternatives out there to kick the habit. I find the cleanslate approach much more in line with the Gospel of Christ than the 12 step program. The ultimate goal is to rid yourself of these acts that you are doing; if the 12 step program works, awesome, if it doesn't there are other frameworks from which to work from.

12 Step program, while it has many good aspects, doesn't actually help people. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/the-surprising-failures-of-12-steps/284616/ If you really want to kick it, you have to understand what it actually is. http://www.thecleanslate.org/ From someone who has had "addictions" for decades-tried many times to "quit", I actually did what this guy said-quit cold turkey and then afterwards found the guy's website and said . . .hey wait what . . .that's exactly what happened to me.

Did you ever think that you might be being lead by the wrong spirit? I'm genuinely asking with sincerity. We know that Lucifer can appear as an angel of light. We know he has the ability to influence people to do the wrong thing. Have you ever considered that the spirit you are listening to is the wrong spirit and that it's not the Spirit of God?

So just so I understand properly, it's okay for a child with consent of their parent to change their "gender", but not okay with the consent of a parent to have sex with another adult?