Jeny
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I understand why you believe that Satan has sifted me, and that my family is trying to keep the "cancer" of unbelief away from their children. I remember hearing things like that in Sacrament meetings. I also understand you are firm in your beliefs, and I respect other's thoughts and beliefs.
Thing is, I am the same person I have always been. The LDS church taught me that we should honor and love our family, because they are the most important thing... what I am seeing is that the Church is the most important thing... and their love for me is conditional.
You think I am making a mistake by making the decision to have my name taken off the records, and I believe you are making a mistake by believing what you believe. It's o.k. to have different thoughts and beliefs, it's o.k.!! I don't understand why so many people are stuck on, "If you don't go to church where I go to church you are not my friend/family." It's crazy to me. Just crazy.
I never once said that I am not your friend nor will I not converse with you! I have a dear friend who has been my friend for 15 years...she does not even believe in G-d...we remain friends! I am not going to desert her! I said what I thought was the reason that your family is disowning you, I did not say that it was right! Well, I DID say that G-d said to be separate, but I believe that you can be separate without disowning! I live a separate life from my friend, but she is still my friend! And I DO know what you are going through and how you feel! I am on a different angle, but I left the church that I grew up in, Too!
...I understand that we disagree...but we can still be friends and I will still pray for you...you can pray for ME if you like! I won't be offended!! I need all the prayers that I can get!!!
What I said to you, I said in sincerity! I believe what I said...I may be wrong and only time will tell, but my words come from my heart in love, my friend!
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I can only tell you my own experience
Boy meets girl. Boy is 20 already but has not even considered a mission. Girl reads patriachal blessing, which tells her she will marry an RM. She tells boy to read the Book of Mormon, because he has never read it. Half way through, he gets a testimony and begins to get his paperwork in order. They date during all this and fall in love. She tells him she will wait. He leaves on his mission. She send him church music, lots of letters, and hangs out with his family, playing with his younger bros and sisters. After about 6 months, his letters start to peter out. They dont tell her what she wants to hear, she feels lonely, and bored. Everyone else is dating. Her parents and church leaders encourage her to date. So she finds a nice guy at a dance, they have alot in common and begin steady dating. She writes and tells the missionary. He is absolutely devastated and writes an angry letter to her. She receives it and immediately breaks up with the other guy. She wants to wait for her missionary. But he thinks she has moved on. He stops writing, and after another 6 months, she loses it, and leaves the church for a while, and does some immoral things, making her feel even worse and unworthy for him. She falls into a deep suicidal depression, she writes dozens of letters (non of which get to him, because the office was opening them and not letting them through) she takes medication, she gets counselling, and slowly, bit by bit, she pulls through somehow. About 2 weeks after she starts to feel better, she meets someone else, they date, they get engaged and married before her missionary gets back. He is now back off his mission, married and his wife is pregnant. Part of her will always love him, and wonder how things would be different if she had waited for him. Whenever things are bad in her marraige she always thinks, i should have waited.
Sad, but thats my life...
WOW! Tragic!
Save that post, Bunzy...write it in your journal...Your kids and grandkids should read it...
...for you, now it is time to start making lemonade!!!
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You are so lucky, Yed. Do you get to go to the Sacred Grove Pageants that they have also? That would be awesome.
Been a Mormon for three years, seen the Pageant 7 times!!!!!
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He can manipulate them in any way that he so desires, He can bend time and space, he has all the answers, and he DOES have a physical body!!
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Have you ever read the Pearl of Great Price? There are many worlds like Earth and G-d lives on one that is close to the Star, Kolob. I also believe in the string theory (Physics) and it proves how G-d can have a physical body but still not be bound by time, space, or solid walls...G-d has full knowledge and control over the tiny, minute strings that make up and form all matter.Yes! i agree with all that you say, But i always am wondering, God has a body of flesh and bones,
Where does he keep it? I relize he can come and go at will, but if he "has" a body does he just come
and use it when he wants? if so then where does he put his body when he is a spirit? And where does he
hang out. if he has a body of flesh then he must live hear on earth, or maybe there is another earth or
something like it in the celestial?
I relize this might sound profoundly ludicrus way of thinking for some, but it is my question?
A body of flesh and bones has got to be somewhere!
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I guess I should enjoy institute while I can right?
Actually, there's a lot of people at BYU-Idaho that have their religion classes they go to then on Thursday nights they pack one of the buildings for institute. I had a friend that did that every week and she loved it
I guess my big thing with Institute is that (in my mind) it seems like it's a lot of people talking about fluffy things about the scriptures and not getting down to the meat of things. I know that the Institute teachers have to cater their lessons to everyone, but I wish it would get a little more in depth
You have never met Br. Allred!! He is our Stake education specialist (The guy who called me a poster child convert!) He teaches the Institute classes...and I am telling you that if he starts talking about his bunions, I'm taking notes!!!!!
...I love that man!! He is amazing!! ...and yes, Elphaba...he IS related to the Bro. Allred that was in the rescue party who rescued the Willy and Martin handcart survivors.
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Yediyd asks,
"...So, how do you reconcile BOTH religions?..."
To give you the "cliff notes" answer, I have found that Book of Mormon Christians and Bible-believing Christians have far more in common than all our differences? Are there differences? Of course. But as a Southern Baptist minister, it's my firm belief that it's ttime we began celebrating our commonalities rather than continue to magnify our differences. For too long we've talked AT one another; not TO one another.
I have been preaching out of both the Bible and the Book of Mormon as a Southern Baptist minister for these past twenty plus years. And have discovered -- the Book of Mormon is the most non-sectarian book I've ever read. It's meant for all believers! Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Catholics, Pentecostals, Episcopalians, LDS, etc.
So, in the context of your question -- "how do you reconcile both religions" -- we have been sponsoring "Building Bridges Conferences" up and down the Salt Lake Valley, from as far south as St. George to Salt Lake for the past three years. Our purpose is rather modest, actually. We simply want to get Bible-believing Christians and Book of Mormon Christians in the same room together. And we begin fellowshipping. We have NO AGENDA. We're not in the least interested in proselyting. We're interested in understanding each other.
The response in Utah among the LDS especially has been wonderful. Hundreds of LDS brothers and sisters attend, along with us Protestants.
It's really been a healing experience for us all. And we had the wonderful privilege of accepting an invitation from your President Hinckley to attend a luncheon at the Lion's House, hosted by the First Presidency. It was a wonderful time.
Thanks for asking,
Lynn
Southern Baptist Minister
Independence, MO
WOW! I was raised in a Southern Baptist church!! It will be interesting getting to know you!!! I still have some of my Baptist roots in me...the music comes to mind...also, I believe that the attonement happened on the cross and not in the garden...I know, I just spoke a "no-no"...but I have only three years as a Mormon and 40 as a Baptist...
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I can't wait until you come to Utah. You crack me up!
Elphie
You are going to eat those words my friend because I plan to hog ALL the covers!!!!
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Oh Yed, I love you too in spite of you preferring pepsi {{{shudder}}} To me it tastes as though it has Jergens hand lotion in it! {{{shudder}}}
Well, I will happily drink my jergans and thank my luck stars that I will never meet your hairdresser!!!
...Of course you know I still love ya, my fuzzy headed cola drinking buddy!!!!
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Yed,
You think they're kidding. They're not. All my life I've had people seriously ask me about my horns.
Of course, I really have some extra bone growth on my temples, so it was a problem.
Elphaba
That really blows my mind!! I cannot comprehend the sheer stupidity in that assumption!!!!
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What can you expect, you can expect 2 young missionaries who may or may not be accompanied by an older member. The missionaries will either use this meeting to get to know you a bit and share a gospel message, or the may start teaching you the Gospel -- they have a series of lessons that they teach to people who are 'investigating' (or looking at with the intent to see if we have Truth with an eye on possibly becoming a member of the Church). They will present their lesson to you and probably ask you to do some homework before they come over a 2nd time (if you want them to come back) the homework would involve reading from the Book of Mormon and praying about what you read.
Things not to expect:
1. Don't expect them to be pushy, while there are always exceptions and I have known a couple of pushy missionaries for the most part they are not, their job is to present you the material and let you decide for yourself.
2. Don't expect them to debate, they are there to present the Gospel not debate it
3. Don't expect great theologians skilled in oratory, while these young men and women have usually been studying their faith for most of their lifes, they are not graduates of divinity schools like ministers of some other religions, but then neither was Peter, James and John. Like Peter James and John, they will present the lessons that Christ taught and bear witness of Him.
While there are some people who know the Gospel is true immediatly (like my wife) there are others that take a long time to discover it (about a year for me). The one thing I would encourage you to do is to come to Church with the missionaries, see what we are all about. While we do teach about Jesus, we also teach what He taught, as I put it, we teach the gospel OF Jesus Christ, not a gospel ABOUT Jesus Christ. One thing that struck me (as an adult who was 'searching' myself) was that for the most part, most LDS actually try to live what they believe - oh we're all human and some are better at it than others. As one of our leaders said "please realize that the Church is not a monastery for perfect people, though all of us ought to be striving on the road to godliness. No, at least one aspect of the Church is more like a hospital or an aid station, provided for those who are ill and want to get well, where one can get an infusion of spiritual nutrition and a supply of sustaining water in order to keep on climbing." ("He Hath Filled the Hungry with Good Things" Elder Jeffrey R. Holland )
Please let us know your impressions after you have met with them and many here, including myself, would certainly be willing to try to answer any questions you may have.
What a great post!! I could not have said it better!! I am a convert too, Douglas...don't expect too much, just take your time, pray about what you hear and trust the Holy Spirit to guide you to whether it is true or not...
...You will be in my prayers.
Yed.
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Welcome, Tefor!! Looking forward to getting to know you!! WE are a fun bunch!!!
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It's done in the Temple. We call forth a demon through dark magic and bind them to you. When you are closest to a demonic state your horns appear.
...OK, I guess I asked for that one!! {{{{{{{{{{Full body shiver!!!!!}}}}}}}}}}
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Give it a few more years Yed, then the cataracts cloud the eyes and you are beautiful again!
Remember the older you get, the softer/lighter your color gets. You soften out - the hair Grey's, the eyes cloud, the body gets rounder and softer, if you are one of the lucky ones your voice gets mellower and softer. I am really enjoying the aging process. The colors I so loved as a 30 something and could not wear - the pastels, pale lavenders, heather grey, dove grey, pale yellow, peach, soft blues, coupled with their jeweled counterparts I now look good in! Also at 55, silver grey haired - definitely a Grandma type - I can get away with more things. I love being "eccentric". I make sure I don't cross the line over to rude and obnoxious, but I do have fun with "eccentric"!
pretend this is a Sparkly GrinI am only 43, I have fibromyalgia...the constant pain that I live with on a daily basis makes me feel 20 years older than I am...That is no fun...
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Please don't take my response as in any way judgmental for it is not ment to be...but the Bible says, "Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord."
Maybe your family is just trying to keep the "cancer" of unbelief away from their children. I know that sounds harsh and I am sorry to come across that way, but it is my belief that Satan has sifted you, and it is possible that your family members feel that way, too. I am sorry that you are choosing to leave the church...I believe that you are making the biggest mistake of your eternal soul...
...That said, I understand how you feel!! I have left the Baptist church that I grew up in and my family is treating me in much the same way, my sister has gone so far as to stop speaking to me, my niece as well. I am not allowed around their children, I am not invited to family picnics and get togethers...I am an "apostate" as far as they are concerned.
...I don't expect you to agree with me about the mistake I believe that you are making, as you said: Faith is something that is very personal, and this is just my personal belief. I am only sharing it because you invited response.
I will be praying for you.
Yed.
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I have such an incredible desire to move to Utah!! I wish I could be there for conference...but I comfort myself with the knowledge that I live just 1 hour from the place it all started!! And my Temple is the Palmyra Temple!!! I get to go to the Sacred Grove any time I wish...so, life here in NY isn't so bad!!!N.Y? ok thats a fairly long travel scenario and expensive! We are very lucky its only 450 miles
for us, we drive it in about 6-7 hr,s. We always have felt the spirit when watching, And have
my entire life wanted to go to a conferance, 1+1/2 years ago we finally got to go, we were blessed
enough to go to 3 sessions. Got to not only hear many very spirit filled speakers, but got to hear the
prophet speak 3 times! and probably the most powerfull spirit was when choir sings.
Listening to them live, is for me, beyond words. Such power, such spirit. The entire thing is very spiritual.
We love it. hope you enjoy as well!
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Time may be a great healer, but it is a lousy beautician!!Sounds as if you have a very good outlook, considering? Its truely a very hardtime in our lives when
this stuff transpires expecially when kids are involved, someone gave me advice one time about
the same situation yer in and said "Time heals all wounds" well it doesnt work excatly like that,
But the time thing is true, May God bless your kids.
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Interesting! I am a former Baptist, now a Mormon!! My father was a Baptist preacher!!They call me the "Baptist-Mormon preacher" here in Independence.
Sounds like fun.
Lynn
So, how do you reconcile BOTH religions?
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Kids are quick .
TEACHER: Maria, go to the map and find North America ..
MARIA: Here it is.
TEACHER: Correct. Now class, who discovered America?
CLASS: Maria.
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TEACHER: John, why are you doing your math multiplication on the floor?
JOHN: You told me to do it without using tables.
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TEACHER: Glenn, how do you spell "crocodile?"
GLENN: K-R-O-K-O-D-I-A-L"
TEACHER: No, that's wrong
GLENN: Maybe it is wrong, but you asked me how I spell it.
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TEACHER: Donald, what is the chemical formula for water?
DONALD: H I J K L M N O.
TEACHER: What are you talking about?
DONALD: Yesterday you said it's H to O.
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TEACHER: Winnie, name one important thing we have today that we didn't have ten years ago .
WINNIE: Me!
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TEACHER: Glen, why do you always get so dirty?
GLEN: Well, I'm a lot closer to the ground than you are.
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TEACHER: Millie, give me a sentence starting with "I."
MILLIE: I is...
TEACHER: No, Millie.... Always say, "I am."
MILLIE: All right... "I am the ninth letter of the alphabet."
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TEACHER: George Washington not only chopped down his father's cherry tree, but also admitted it. Now, Louis, do you know why his father didn't punish him?
LOUIS: Because George still had the ax in his hand.
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TEACHER: Now, Simon, tell me frankly, do you say prayers before eating?
SIMON: No sir, I don't have to, my Mom is a good cook.
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TEACHER: Clyde, your composition on "My Dog" is exactly the same as your brother's. Did you copy his?
CLYDE: No, teacher, it's the same dog.
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TEACHER: Harold, what do you call a person who keeps on talking when people are no longer interested?
Harold: A teacher.
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A biker was riding on a highway along a California beach when
suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the
Lord said:
"Because you have tried to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant
you one wish."
The biker pulled over and said: "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride
over anytime I want."
The Lord said, "Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous
challenges for that
kind of undertaking. The supports required would reach the bottom of
the Pacific!
The concrete and steel it would take!
It will nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it, but it
is hard for me to justify
your desire for worldly things.
Take a little more time and think of something that would honor and
glorify me."
The biker thought about it for a long time. Finally he said,
"Lord, I wish that I could understand my wife. I want to know how she
feels inside, what
she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries,
what she means
when she says nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?"
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If you keep your face turned toward the "son", all the shadows of life fall behind you.
Worrying is like paying interest on a debt you might never owe.
<a href="http://www.wisdomquotes.com/002977.html" target="_blank"> All the lessons of history in four sentences:
1) Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad with power.
2) The mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.
3) The bee fertilizes the flower it robs.
4) When it is dark enough, you can see the stars.</span>
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“You can make something idiot-proof, and the world will turn around and create a better idiot.”
One day for church.....6 days for fun....odds of going to heaven.....6-1
And Jesus answering, said, "What?"
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People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them.
You should not confuse your career with your life.
Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance.
Never lick a steak knife.
The most destructive force in the universe is gossip.
You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling reason why we observe daylight savings time.
You should never say anything to a woman that even remotely suggests that you think she's pregnant unless you can see an actual baby emerging from her at that moment.
There comes a time when you should stop expecting other people to make a big deal about your birthday. That time is age 11.
The one thing that unites all human beings, regardless of age, gender, religion, economic status or ethnic background, is that, deep down inside, we all believe that we are above average drivers.
A person who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person.
(This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.)
Your friends love you anyway.
Thought for the day: Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.
Forty Facts of Life:
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
Don't worry about what people think. They don't do it very often.
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before.
My idea of housework is to sweep the room with a glance.
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
It is easier to get forgiveness than permission.
For every action, there is an equal and opposite government program.
If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip.
Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of checks.
A conscience is what hurts when all of your other parts feel so good.
Eat well, stay fit, die anyway.
Men are from earth. Women are from earth.
Deal with it. No man has ever been shot while doing the dishes.
A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand.
Middle age is when broadness of the mind and narrowness of the waist change places.
Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.
Junk is something you've kept for years and throw away three weeks before you need it.
There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.
Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends.
Thou shalt not weigh more than thy refrigerator.
Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world.
It ain't the jeans that make your butt look fat.
If you had to identify, in one word, the reason why the human race has not achieved -- and never will achieve -- its full potential, that word would be "meetings." There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Leaving The Church, But Interested To Know Something...
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I agree with you that this is wrong and uncalled for and completely apposed to what we supposedly believe in this church!! They are human, but they are wrong. I am so sorry that you are hurt by this!! I will pray that the Holy Spirit will touch their hearts!!
...I DO know how you feel, ya know...
I am going through much the same thing in my own family.