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  1. According to Scriptures and what God has taught me because I ask, seek and knock of Him. Let us go to the NT. Gospel of John. 1 John 3:9 - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God The reason for this...when a person is truly born of God, he will know good from evil as clearly as Darkness and being under a Noon day sun. The only way a man who is born of God can fall is by willingly choosing darkness while being under a noon day sun. For these there is nothing left to bring them unto repentance. As Jesus said once Salt has lost its flavor there is nothing left to do except to spew it out and to cast it out. Now there are two types of men spoken of in Scriptures. The Natural man which is more known as the Carnal man and the Spiritual man..which are they born of God. Now between the two only the Spiritual man can see and speak face to face with God in His glory without being destroyed. In Hebrews we find: They who have received the promises. Hebrews 11:35 - Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: --------------------------------------------- As Paul said we must all run and not stop until we get the prize. What is the prize? The promises which the Apostles called exceedingly great and precious. In the last days the majority of the people of GOD shall call these people fool and mad for their pointing out the multitude of sins with today's society. This has and shall always be the case until Zion is again on the earth. Satan has had close to 2000 years in switching our sense of good and evil around. if any Christian had for example said a 100 years ago that our society would legalized Abortion, Same sex marriages, removed prayers from schools and government. That we would have to hide monuments displaying things such as the 10 Commandments. Or that we would have gay pride parades he would have been tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail. To know more of what it is like to become a Spiritual man in the full meaning of the term. The Lord allowed man to have ONE ACCOUNT of it...and you can find the ODES of Solomon. In it He says that he received a body free from afflictions and pain. That even his family and friend no longer recognized him. That all now were seeking after his life and so on. Here is the prophesy on the Spiritual man,,,which Isaiah used to call Wayfaring man, and Paul called them who are perfected and again so on. Jesus said few would enter by the strait gate and narrow way. God by Jeremiah said,,,that He will lead to Zion only one of a city, two of a family. Few means few. Hosea 9:7 - The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred. bert10
  2. No, many people claim to be born again, and yet do not understand the Scriptures and know not the still small voice. So, we can know for sure that they are deceived and really do not understand what it is to "Be born of GOD." To be sure there is a greater penalty for claiming like the Jews of old.. by saying "we see" and their sins shall remain with them until death if they do not repent before then. And from there they will go into Spirit prison and learn the truth. bert10
  3. The Story of Samson is a wonderful Story. It shows how even those who are called by God can fail and how they can find redemption and glorify GOD. Samson was the closing of an Era. As for the hair and wine is part of consecrating oneself to God. The Nazarene way. As for the thing with the children, we do not know the whole story. And prophets usually hear God in their heart. The prophet did as God commanded him to do. We as man are commanded to forgive and to pray for others. And prophets of God have this within themselves. But there are times when God's judgment comes is an override our inclination. For example see Abraham trying to save Sodom and Gomorrah. God's see further and His reasons for doing something is infinitely better than our judgment. bert10
  4. One who rises up and condemns others....That is being an accuser and judger at the same time and it is being devilish. Judas used to do this and the Lord called Him a Devil. As for finding fault with the Church? The Lord said he is satisfied with the Church collectively not individually. So who are we to find fault with the Church? The way I get around this...Is that I know that the Lord has allowed it. Right or wrong in my sight ...the Church today is what it is and God is allowing it for His own reasons. Sometimes we forget ourselves and think that what "Ought to be" is not what God thinks. As for Apostasy, did not the Lord say by President Benson that we ought to live the BOM and receive the "Blessing Hitherto Unknown". And the LDS have not obeyed and before Dying President Benson no longer spoke of it anymore as though the Lord commanded him to cease speaking on this subject. IF you guys remember, Israel could not enter into the rest of the Lord until they ceased to harden their heart and obey the Holy Ghost who said: The LDS people have been removed from their land of promise and were sent to the wilderness to Utah where they remain to this day. And only a few returned from the wilderness such as Joshua for example. The rest died in the wilderness having not entered into the rest of the Lord. Hebrews 3:7 - Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: Hebrews 3:9 - When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Hebrews 3:10 - Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways. Hebrews 3:11 - So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) We all have a choice to die in the wilderness as Israel of old except for a few...or to repent until God sees fit to allow us to enter into His rest. Until we are led by the Holy Ghost we will not know the ways of God and will forever be walking by our own knowledge of good and evil. bert10
  5. All rich men are going to resurrect and enter into one of the many mansion in heaven except for Sons of perdition whom the Lord said were going to be cast out into the Outer Darkness. Yet, even these will resurrect. After judgment day the kingdom is basically divide in two. Darkness and Light. And in the Light there are different degrees of Glory in order to accommodate that GOD said he will render to all men the rewards of their works. The question of what type of Eternal Life the rich will have, depends on how much of God's Money they spend on their lusts of the flesh as compared to the poor. It is a curse for 99.9 % of the people to have wealth. Since most cannot resist and will use it to buy mansions, have big swimming pools, luxury cars, expensive clothes, and other expensive things in their house. Their love of self and comfort is displayed for all to see. And every dollar they spend on themselves to live, to eat and dress in luxury is a dollar refused to the poor. These may profess to love God with their gifts to the churches and poor. But their love is greater on themselves and God will condemn such for miss-using the resources that belongs to GOD fulfill their lust of the flesh. This life is the most important phase of our Salvation. However, it is not all there is. Sometimes only death can bring about a change in us so that we be "resetted" to repentance again. The Spirit prison mentioned in Peter is for such an occasion. It is our last chance . bert10
  6. Have you tasted and been a partakers of some the things mentioned below? Hebrews 6:4 - For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Hebrews 6:5 - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Hebrews 6:6 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame. The answer is, a person can become a son of perdition,,,only if he tastes and becomes partakers of the things of Light and then he consciously and willingly chooses darkness over light. Let me give you an example on how hard it is for them who are of the Light to fall and not be renewed unto repentance.... It is to choose gross darkness while being under an Noon day sun. This is way beyond being deceived for being in error. It is to willingly to choose gross darkness while being under the Noon day sun. There is not a Christian on this board that can become a son of perdition simply because they have not tasted nor become partakers of the Holy Ghost. If they were partakers of Heavenly things...they would know of this teaching and confess my posts are true. Now they are being deceived in this world, to coming out of the gospel of repentance and accepting doctrines of the gospel of perfection to by pass repentance. For these this will be rectified in the next world. The only way a person will become a Son of if He cannot be renewed to Repentance by the power of the Holy Ghost. Most people want to love GOD and their neighbors and it is this thing that will bring them to repentance when they will feel the the power of the Holy Ghost. Either in this life time or in the next. bert10
  7. He errs. The watchers were also in charge of elements. And when they fell so did the Elements. However, the Spirit of GOD is called the Spirit of Life and all things are alive even stones since this Spirit is above all things and below all things, inside all things etc. What men define as life is not God's definition. In fact you have a little of the old religion of Zion in the OT and NT. Joshua 24:27 - And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the LORD which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God. Habakkuk 2:11 - For the stone shall cry out of the wall, and the beam out of the timber shall answer it. There is more....Jesus said that the stones would cry out...[spiritually that is] There is more. Some of the Elements that remained faithful to God and always obeyed the Prophets are Rock and Stones, Clouds, Rivers, [Waters] Mountains, wind, trees, grass etc. All things behave according to the law and intelligence of light that is within them. They who become filled with Light can command those things who are of from the Light. Those things whose Watchers rebelled, are destructive when men try to use them. Such as coal, oil, uranium, and other things corrodes and weakens...requiring much work to maintain them etc. Now the purpose of this post is not to teach things of the ancient religion of Zion. This ship has sailed long ago when the Early Hebrews rejected this religion and eventually went into so much darkness that God had to give the Laws of Moses, to make them guilty and be as a Schoolmaster, until Christ could come to call men into repentance. This ancient religion and knowledge shall again be back on the earth when Zion is set up again. bert10
  8. I guess both Max and Cleon Skousen had good teachings on the Atonement. Those teachings are from their own point of view. And maybe do not go far enough. When the Fall came not only did Adam and Eve died Spiritually to the Father. The earth also with all its elements followed Adam and Eve in the Fall. The temple of the Father is not just our body...but the Elements that make up our body. And in our corruptible state, we could not go near the Father nor could the Father be a Father to us. Jesus Atonement gave the Father back the Ability to be a Father to us and all His creation and also to abide in us as we abide in Jesus. The Atonement of Jesus allows the Father to interact with us. Sometimes thunder is just not thunder, and wind is just not wind. bert10
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    Ghosts in the home: prison or paradise?

    Paranormal activity was a problem with the Early LDS. And J. Smith answer to this was to cease speaking about them at church and public gathering as this Empowered the powers of Darkness. The departed are going either to Paradise or Spirit Prison. These two are not accessible to us. So that leaves only one question. Who is able to interact with us, with various limit put on them? Ans. Satan and His devils. And these are great deceivers. bert10
  10. A lot of time the problem is personal interpretation of the bible. The word children still apply to them who are 8 years old and could understand the law. And so they were under the law. No man can handle the powers of heaven unrighteously. So if you remember will not judge evil the dignities of God. It was in those days and still is today a sin to dishonor one's Elder. This is not taught today. But the law is still there. It is a mistake to judge those things according to our own sense of good and evil. The thing that we all have to realize is that men of the OT all had weaknesses. Also forgiveness of sin is dependent on the severity of the sin. There are some sins that can be forgiven in this world, and there are some sins that cannot be forgiven in this world only in the next world...and there are some sins that are not forgiven in this world nor in the world to come. Jesus spoke on unpardonable sin. Why? Because some sin put men beyond the power of the Holy Ghost to bring them into repentance. And without repentance they cannot be forgiven and so are called sons of perdition. David's sin concerning Uriah could not be forgiven in this world. Simply because his repentance could not restore Uriah his life back and his wife. But he did receive the promise of the Lord that His soul would not stay in hell forever. Psalms 16:10 - For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. David will resurrect with the unjust at judgment day. And the Apostle said of David...that David did not rise with the just. Neither was he seen in Jerusalem with the rest of the prophets. Acts 2:29 - Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. You are right to judge by fruits. Which religion fought publicly against same sex marriage? Which modern day religion lost their first two temple like Israel did? Which modern day religion had the hand of GOD to save them twice from the mobs and the militias and the evil State Governors and the inept Congress to be able to respect their rights? Which modern day religion went into the wilderness like Israel of old? And which modern day religion were removed twice from their land like Israel was? Do not be afraid show me which modern day religion the world hated so much that they had to undergo these things and witnessed the Hand of GOD in saving them and taking them out of Egypt like God did with the LDS? There is none. The world love these new religions and they in turn love the world. And one thing they have in common is that they are united in their fight and hatred of the LDS church. You posted "I think we all have to learn how to really read the bible." What we do not need is another take on the bible that comes from the wisdom of man. What we need is to have more people read the scriptures and the Bom with the Spirit of GOD. bert10
  11. Both Samson and David lost their way before they could complete their mission. However, God had foreseen this even before they were called to their mission and God used it, for his glory for his will and purposes are not foiled nor turned aside by the wicked or even those whom he call should fail him like David and Samson. It is much harder to come to the truths of Gospel without the BOM. There is much missing from the bible in the books that are already in the bible. Not to mention those books that God caused the ancient prophets and holy men to write are not included in it. Do you not find it strange that the books of Enoch are not included in the bible? The man who was able to teach a whole city to be translated into heaven are not included in the bible. And what of Melchizedek. In one of my posts on that other site I teach on he, which is Shem the Son of Noah and how he earned his New name as Melchizedek. The way is much harder, without the BOM. Most get lost in false doctrines on faith and grace and ignore completely the words of Jesus. Who said that He came to call sinners unto [the gospel of] Repentance which is is detailed in Hebrews 6:1-2. bert10
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    Book of Jeraneck?

    No that is not what I am saying. But the possibilities with GOD are endless. For all things are possible with GOD. I merely counseled to not judge by prejudice. And not use the same logic that Christians are using against the BOM to reject the Book of Jereneck. I merely gave the law of GOD which state that if a thing says that Jesus is the Christ and that Jesus is the Son of GOD then this is of GOD. I do not mean by this the whole book is of GOD. I do not make these things up. I have read this book and found nothing that would lead me to wickedness. I have also said that one does not have to judge everything on the spot. The LDS have themselves written books of fictional stories that do edify and some not so much. We can all choose to retain what is good in those book and leave of the rest. I also counseled where and how to get our truths about all things. And my words on this did not differ what Jesus has taught. Not really, my problem if you guys do not like what I have shared. I did not post to make friends or make converts...but simply to share what I know. And it is a real experience and privilege to just share what we know with others even if they totally reject it. I make no other claims than this. As for this man who calls himself a prophet not my problem if he is one or not. At this time he has nothing to do with me. So I do not have to spend time and effort in finding out. Also if he is working against GOD he shall be removed in due time. For we are in the times right now where mighty works shall be witnessed by us. If we live. When the Apostles came to Jesus and said they rebuked a man for doing miracles in the name of Jesus and was not of them. What did Jesus jump him and beat him up? No. He said to leave him alone..for who is not against us is for us. So leave this fellow alone and let God deal with Him. And if he is working against God, then he is God's problem. Again as for the book...I have found nothing that led me to wickedness while or after reading it. bert10
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    Book of Jeraneck?

    If you were taught of GOD would you seek to be taught of men who are spouting nothing new than one could find on the LDS website? The good news that I bring is that all men are to be taught of GOD as it was prophesied...for the last days. And also do you not believe the words of Jesus which said...they who have heard and learned of the Father cometh unto me? John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Jesus did not say listen to men and their wisdom because they call themselves LDS. He said....everyman therefore that hath heard and hath learned of the Father cometh unto me. Has Christ given us another way by which we can come unto Him? No. So what is the problem? Have I said...follow me? Or have I taught to be led of the Spirit? Have I asked for money? Do I post to make friends but to share what I know? Is it not written in Hebrews..6:1...Hebrews 6:1 - THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,Therefore let us leaveLet us therefore move on unto perfection J. Smith says it a little differently. But it is easily reconciled when one understands that the gospel of repentance and the gospel of perfection are both from Christ. What is the difference? Well they who enter into the gospel of perfection will receive some of the gifts mentioned in Hebrews 6:4-6 and the warning is if one fails in this thing...He cannot be renewed unto repentance by the power of the Holy these are the ones who allow themselves to be overcome by the devil and become sons of perdition since this is also considered as the unforgivable sin...because repentance cannot be had. Where else can you get this type of teachings? Did not God ye holy for I am holy? Pompous, arrogance nope. I do not have the time to chit chat my time away. I refuse to consider any ones position? Have you listened to yourself? Do I imagine I know all the gospel no. I am still seeking, knocking and asking. Much of my post....I write as I listen. You are accusing me of many things and are publicly condemning me, even after I have said that I am always meaning to speak generally. I do not hold it against you at this time that you are feeling the way you do. ...but listen and take heed...the fruits do manifest what we are. And it is written... Revelation 12:10 - And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night Micheal the Archangel who is greater than all of us in might and power and wisdom...did not dare to bring an accusation even against the Devil. Jude 1:9 0 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Do you remember why the Lord called Judas a devil. If we do those things that devils do...who are we? And who is our master? We can judge the act of divorcing, the act of killing, of Stealing etc. But we do not need to judge the person doing those things. For GOD is the judge of us all. bert10
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    Book of Jeraneck?

    Mutual edification or mutual slapping on the back? There is a difference. How many bible verse does your post contain? How much of it is of the Spirit of truth? Did not the Lord say concerning our communications....(when they are not of the Spirit of truth) Matthew 5:37 - But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Am I making this up? Why is it we do not have fellowship I who on some days spend more than 12 hours on Scriptures in study, meditation and postings to you guys? Is it not written in John that if we walk in the light as Christ is in the light we have fellowship with each other...and fellowship here means understanding each other in our hearts. For that is where the Love of God resides. bert10
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    Book of Jeraneck?

    I have explained in the previous (2) why I do not judge you. Just find them and read them. I have more of a backbone than you know or are aware of. And I will not do what you request because it is wickedness. Which I have explained the commandment of GOD concerning this. Did not read the post..that there was a reason why the Lord did not release this to the whole world yet? Also what the Lord said on who will receive few stripes...which are they who knew not the will of GOD even though they did things of many stripes shall receive few? That because of this saying and others...that it was possible for Jesus to say...of them who were crucifying Him..."Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.." You can answer the question yourself and know what I am feeling at the moment if you begin to understand this verse. 1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. bert10