Ancient writing that mirror the Book of Mormon

[hethathathears]

Fernando De Alva Ixtlilxochitl

(Eesht-leal-sho-cheat-el)

I have included Ixtlilxochitl in this Blog as he is a very powerful witness of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. He was born in 1578 A.D and died around 1650 A.D. He was born of royal descent. His father was the last king of Texcoco, and the next to the last Emperor of Mexico, Cuitlahuac. His mother was of Spanish descent.

When the Spaniards came over in the 16th century, they imposed Christianity upon the native people. This was done at gun point. The natives went through the motions of conversions, however, they would always go back to their writings, the Codexs, to practice the old religion. When the Spaniards discovered what they were doing, they took all of their Codexs, and burned them all, forcing them to move forward with Christianity. Saddened by the loss of his peoples history, Ixtlilxochitl, went amongst his people and copied down all of their legends. His work became so famous that it was taken from him and taken back to Spain where it was put into the library in Madrid Spain. It stayed there until it was put into a book called the Antiquities of Mexico, in 1848. (18 years after the Book of Mormon was published) It was copied from Spanish to English in the year 1902. It is threw Ixtililxochitl’s writing that that we can compare the history of the first settlers on this continent. Now there is a corruption of names, however, the stories still hold true. Remember, his writings were written in the 1600’s (230 years before the Book of Mormon was translated) however, nobody could read it until 1848 in Spanish, or 1902 in English, both of which came forth after the Book of Mormon was published.

The writings of Ixtlilxochitl tell about their belief about-

- the belief in the first parents and the creation of the world

- about how the earth was destroyed by a flood and a great how a ark saved them

- it talks about how a great tower was built and how the language was confounded

- it talks about how these people crossed many waters to come to this land

- it tells the story of how the sun stood still for one day

- it tells how the first settlers were giants

- it tells of great earthquakes and destruction on the land around the death of

Jesus Christ. Many cities were destroyed.

- it tells how after many years of peace, men stood up to overthrow the legitimate

Successor of the land.

- it tells of how there were righteous men and men of blood and wickedness.

This is just a short list of the writings of Ixtlilxochitl. The next several pages deal with the writings of Ixtlilxochitl and the corresponding writing found in the Book of Mormon. This work came out of a Book Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon, written by Joseph L. Allen Ph.D. which come with complete footnotes.

I have had many people who had prayed about the church and received an answer, but then when the anti’s came in, they lost their testimony. Istlilxochitl’s writing have proven to counter the anti Mormons lies. It is a truly impressive work.

Fernando de Ixtlilxochitl and the Book of Mormon

1- A history of the events in New Spain including many things regarding the knowledge and accomplish

-ments of the Tultecas from the creation of the World to its destruction, , and up to the arrival of the

Third inhabitants called Chichimecas…

Book of Mormon- 1st inhabitance Jaridites, (Either 6) 2nd inhabitance Mule kites (Omni 1:15)

3rd inhabitance the Children of Lehi, the Nephites and Lamanites (1 Nephi 18:23)

2- The creation of the world and things pertaining thereto, including the origin of man. The

Omniscience of God and what He has revealed to the Toltecas.

Book of Mormon- And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth, and they have brought forth children… 2 Nephi 19-20

3- The Tultecas had a knowledge of the creation of the world by Tloque Nahuaque, including the

plants, mountains, animals, etc. They also knew about how God created a man and a woman

from whence all mankind descended and multiplied.

Book of Mormon- And he beheld that they did contain the five books of Moses, which gave

an account of the creation of the world, and also of Adam and Eve, who were our first

parents. 1 Nephi 5:11

4- The records indicate that a flood came 1,716 years after the creation of the world. At this time

of great lightning and storms from the heavens, man was destroyed, and everything on earth

was covered by water including the hightest mountain.

5- To this they recorded other events, such as how after the flood, a few people who had escaped the

destruction inside a Toptlipetlacalli, which interpreted means an enclosed ark.

Book of Mormon- … yet it would not be by flood as were the people in the days of Noah…

Alma 10:22

For he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man, and that after the water had

receded from off the face of this land it became choice lands… Ether 13:2

6- After the earth began again to be populated, they built a Zacualli very high and strong, which

means the very high tower, to protect themselves against the 2nd destruction of the world.

Book of Mormon- I give not the full account, …from the tower down until they were destroyed.

Ether 1:5

7- As time elapsed, their language became confounded, such that they did not understand one

another, and they were scattered to all parts of the world.

Book of Mormon- And his first parents came out from the tower, at the time the Lord confounded

the language of the people. Omni 1:22

8- The Tultecas, consisting of seven men and their wives, were able to understand one another, and

they came to this land, having first crossed many lands and waters, living in caves and passing

through great tribulations.

Book of Mormon- And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did cry unto the Lord, and the

Lord had compassion upon Jared, therefore he did not confound the language of Jared. Ether 1:35

And they did land upon the shore of the promised land. And when they had set their feet upon the

shores of the promised land, and when they bowed themselves down upon the face of the land, and

did humble themselves before the Lord, and did shed tears of joy before the Lord. Ether 6:12

13- In the year 8 tochtli, which was 4,779 years since the creation of the world, it is recorded in their

history that the sun stood still one natural day without moving.

Book of Mormon- And it came to pass that the words which came unto Nephi were fulfilled,

according as they had been spoken, for behold at the going down of the sun there was no darkness

and the people began to be astonished because there was no darkness when the night came.

Samuel the Lamanite 3 Nephi 1:15

14- It had been 158 years since the great hurricane when there occurred another destruction in this

Land. The people who lived in this corner of the land were giants.

Book of Mormon- And they were lost in the wilderness for the space of many days… and they

discovered a land which was covered with bones of men… and of ruins of buildings of every kind

having discovered a land which had been peopled with a people who were as numerous as the

hosts of Israel…which were large… Mosiah 8:8-10

16- It had been 270 years since the giants had been destroyed when the sun and the moon eclipsed and

the earth quaked and rocks were broken into pieces and many other signs that had been given came

pass, which happened at the same time that Christ, our Lord, was crucified. And they say that this

destruction occurred in the first few days of the year.

Book of Mormon- In the 34th year, in the first month, on the forth day, there arose a great storm

Such an one as never had been known in all the land. And there was a great and terrible tempest,

and there was terrible thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth as if it was about to

divide asunder. And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been known in

all the land. And the city of Zarahemia did take fire. And the city of Moroni did sink into the

depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof were drowned, And the earth was carried up on the

city of Moronihah, that in the place of the city there became a great mountain. And there was a

great and terrible destruction in the land southward. But behold, there was a more great and

terrible destruction in the land northward, for behold, the whole face of the land was changed,

because of the tempest and the whirlwind, and the thundering and the lightnings, and the exceeding

great quaking of the whole earth. 3 Nephi 8:5-12

It speaks of many other signs that were given. Samuel the Lamanite gave many signs unto the people

concerning the birth and death of Jesus Christ.

17- These and many other things from the creation of the world up to our time were understood by the

Tultecas for they made an abridgement, primarily of their origins, I mean all of the things that are

found in their paintings and histories are just an abridgement compared to the records that the first

archbishop of Mexico ordered to be burned.

Book of Mormon- …for after I had made an abridgement from the plates of Nephi, down to the

reign of this king Benjamin… Words of Mormon 1:3

18- It had been 305 years since the time of the eclipsing of the sun and the moon, when the Tulteca

royal lineage, following many years of the kingdom, desiring to overthrow the legitimate successor.

Book of Mormon- And it came to pass that after three hundred and five years had passed away

Ammaron being constrained by the Holy Ghost, did hide up the records which were sacred…

4 Nephi 1:48, …there arose a people who were called the Nephites, and they were the true believers

of Christ… and they who rejected the gospel were called Lamanites…followed by great wars.

This was after hundreds of years of peace.

… believing in the tradition of their fathers of their fathers, which is this, believing that they were

driven out of the land of Jerusalem because of the iniquites of their fathers, and that they were

wronged in the wilderness by their brethren, and they were also wronged while crossing the sea.

Mosiah 10:12

19- They were exiled, and there began to be wars, and they cast them out of the City of Tlachicalzincan,

and they were cast out with their families and allies, their men as well as their women, and a great

exciled.

In Mormon 6 it talks about the Nephites being exiled from the land and their city together with their

wives and children. They all met for the last and final battle at Cumorah. It was here that Nephites

became instinct. Mormon 6

21) And all who are now called Tultecas, Aculhuas, and Mexicanas, as we as the other people in this land

boast and affirm that they are descendants of the Chichimecas. The reason, according to their history,

is that their first King, whose name was Chichimecatl, was the one who brought them to this new land

where they settled.

Book of Mormon- All the Book of Mormon people came from Lehi. Even though we had Nephites

And Lamanites, and Amalikites, and Amlicites as well as other, the all stemmed from Lehi.

22) In each place where the Chichimecatl settled, whether it be a large city or a small village, it was their

custom to name it according to the first king or leader who possessed the land. This same custom

prevailed amoung the Tultecas.

Book of Mormon- Now it was the custom of the people of Nephi to call their lands, and their cities,

and their villages, yea, even all their small villages after the name of him who first possessed them, and

thus it was with the land of Ammonihah. Alma 8:7

23) Notwithstanding that some were called Tultecas, others Aculhuas, Tepanecas and Otomites, they all

were proud to be of the lineage of the Chichimecas, because they all descended from them. However, it

is true that there were divisions amoung the chichimecas themselves. And some were more civilized

then others, such as the Tultecas. And others were more barbaric, such as the Otomites, Those who are

pure Chichimecas, whose kings were direct descendants of the first king, were bloodthirsty men, warriors, and lovers of power, holding other nations in bondage.

Book of Mormon- they were a wild and ferocious, and a blood-thirsty people, believing in the

tradition of their fathers of their fathers, which is this, believing that they were driven out of the land of

Jerusalem because of the iniquites of their fathers, and that they were wronged in the wilderness by their brethren, and they were also wronged while crossing the sea. Mosiah 10:12

24) Although one nation was inclined to righteousness and another nation was full of mischief and idleness

being exceedingly haughty and proud and being warmongers, or although one nation was virtuous and

other full of iniquity, both as recorded in their history came from the same lineage, the Chichimecas.

Book of Mormon- Two separate peoples came from Lehi, the Nephites who were righteous and

virtuous, and the Lamanites who were idle (2 Nephi 5:24), and full of mischief, wormongers, and

bloodthirsty.

25) In this land called New Spain, there were giants as demonstrated by their bones that have been

discovered in many areas. The ancient Tulteca record keepers called them Quinametzin. They

became acquainted with them and had many wars and contentions with them, and in particular in all

the land that is now called Mexico. They were destroyed and their civilization came to an end as a

result of great calamities and punishments from heaven for some grave sins that they had committed.

Book of Mormon- The Nephites were the record keepers who bore witness that the Jaridites nation

came to an end because they choose wickedness over righteousness.

Edited July 3, 2008 by hethathathears

[WillowTheWhisp]

I would love to read more about these writings.

[hethathathears]

I am sorry, I was working from two different computors so by the time you finished reading the first part, I was editing the body of his work in place. When I finished putting it in, I read your request for more. It is now complete. Sorry for being so slow

[Guest Xzain]

That is amazing! Thank you so much for sharing.

[skalenfehl]

I've been doing some research lately and I've learned that in ancient biblical times, many of the very early people were called "Anakim" and "Nephilim", they were giants. I believe Goliath was one of the last of this group of people. Anyway, some of the people of the Tower of Babel were these giants, including those in the Jaredite family that fled to the new world. They were the ones that are spoken about, I think in Mosiah, where large breastplates were found among many weapons of war, cankered with rust and age from a previous civilization. The Jaredites were well over six feet tall and I have read that they very well can be the ancestors of the Olmecs, the race responsible for the massive stone heads. Interestingly enough, the Nephites and Lamanites could very well be the ancestors of other groups (Aztecs, etc), and were not large, but typically 5 and a half feet tall. It's interesting to me that the average South American (Mexican, Brazilian, etc) is about this height. Personally speaking I'm 6' tall (my dad is taller than me), but I have yet to trace my lineage that far back (Mexico).

The Olmecs date back to the time of the Jaredites, coincidentally enough. Anyway, there are also some very good books out about the Olmecs, Aztecs, Mayans, etc. and their traditions, cultures, and ties to their history with the peoples of the Book of Mormon.

Edited June 15, 2008 by skalenfehl

[moundbuilder]

Giant skeletons have been uncovered in the New York. Are these the remains of the Jaradites? 300 historical accounts of giant humans have been found in the Ohio Valley burial mounds that Jospeh Smith called the Land of the Nephites.

This is a post is a small portion of the evidence of that has been found.

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[livy111us]

Don't forget, Joseph Smith called Mesoamerica the land of the Nephites as well. Some only tend to quote Joseph Smith when he supports their theory.

[annewandering]

I thought the western hemisphere was the land of the Nephites.

[moundbuilder]

A series circular earthen forts are stretched across the southern tier of the Great Lakes. Near these forts are mass burials of giant human skeletons that are evidence of great battles that occurred in this region. Are these the remains of the Jaredites?

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[skalenfehl]

A series circular earthen forts are stretched across the southern tier of the Great Lakes. Near these forts are mass burials of giant human skeletons that are evidence of great battles that occurred in this region. Are these the remains of the Jaredites?

Giant Human Skeletons: Graveyards of Giant Human Jaredite Nephi Skeletons in North America

It is likely. Based on my studies, the Jaredites lived in the "North Country" and many of the final battles revolved around "many waters" and a hill called Ramah, which is Cumorah. Without going into more detail, I believe they spread from the East Coast through Canada and down to Florida, and to Central America, until they were cut off by poisonous serpents. But they definitely mingled with the Mulekites and were likely the indigenous peoples that the Lehites met.

Coriantumr, the last surviving Jaredite was found by Limhi of Zarahemla (Mulekites), who were another group that left Jerusalem when King Zedekiah was conquered. Mulek was his son who landed at the same place the Jaredites did before. Coriantumr lived 9 months with them (easily long enough to father more children, by the way, as Jaredites tended to beget children even in their very old age) and was buried by them. The Jaredites, Mulekites and Nephites/Lamanites pretty much peopled North and South America. I wouldn't doubt that other groups made their way to the promised land as well. There are still 10 tribes unaccounted for, but that is another discussion.

Edited March 17, 2012 by skalenfehl

[livy111us]

A series circular earthen forts are stretched across the southern tier of the Great Lakes. Near these forts are mass burials of giant human skeletons that are evidence of great battles that occurred in this region. Are these the remains of the Jaredites?

Giant Human Skeletons: Graveyards of Giant Human Jaredite Nephi Skeletons in North America

Not sure how giant skeletons prove that The BOM took place in Ohio, but here is just as a reliable link as yours (which isn't very) to giant skeletons found in Mexico

GIANTS' SKELETONS FOUND. - Cave in Mexico Gives Up the Bones of an Ancient Race. - View Article - NYTimes.com

There is no evidence of great battles in Ohio during BOM times. In fact, there is little evidence of small battles in that area during BOM times. The Hopewell were very small in number and the entire population would have been wiped out by only a few battles mentioned in The BOM, let alone the many large battles. The evidence just doesn't exist that The BOM took place in Ohio.