Cal Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 The BoM is supposed to contain the "fullness" of the Gospel. But, when I read it, all I find is 99% traditional Christianity and about 1% settling controversies hotly debated in 19th Century New England (infant baptism, mode of baptism, atonement, nature of God, origin of native americans, indians looked jewish-how come?,) and prophesies of things that had already happened (in unprecedented detail) and precious few prophesies about anything that hadn't happened at the time of JS. But I digress. I also notice that what makes Mormonism DISTINCT from other religions is NOT what is in the BoM, but what is in the DC and especially in the Book of Abraham--inferences about eternal marriage, many Gods, man's place in preexistance, that more than one god created the earth. My question--why were the "gold" plates so carefully hidden away, when the Papyrus, which served the same function as the plates allowed to just kick around the Met? Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Jan 29 2004, 06:36 PM My question--why were the "gold" plates so carefully hidden away, when the Papyrus, which served the same function as the plates allowed to just kick around the Met? The papyrus were not given to JS by an Angel, right? He bought them. So why would an Angel take them away? Quote
Snow Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 What the point in asking that question? You know the answers as well as anyone else. If the BoM and BoA were frauds, Joseph couldn't actually produce plates that would stand up to scutiny so he had to concoct a way out of it but didn't think that in the foreseeable future anyone would be able to really translated ancient Egyptian and so he didn't bother with a way out.... ...or It happened the way he said it did. Quote
Guest curvette Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Would there be a safe place to store real gold plates? Can you imagine how much those things would have been worth? Quote
Cal Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Posted January 30, 2004 The first sounds more likely, but hey....who knows? Quote
Snow Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Cal, Yep, the first sounds more likely. That's the nature of religion. You are asked to believe something that cannot be seen, felt, tasted or heard... only inferred. You are asked to believe that what we actually to see and touch and hear, is not ultimate reality, but only a screen for the true nature of things. It seems to me that throughout mankinds history most of mankind has accepted that the world we actually "know" is not true and complete reality. It seems that believing in something beyond us is part of man's intrinsic nature and that not believing goes against our natural inclinations. Quote
Cal Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Posted January 30, 2004 I agree. Man seems very incline to wishful thinking. It's probably easier than enduring a world full of ambiguity. Quote
Tr2 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 So why would an Angel take them away?Because it's a convenient excuse for the lack of ability to produce somethingn that never existed. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Jan 29 2004, 09:08 PM So why would an Angel take them away?Because it's a convenient excuse for the lack of ability to produce somethingn that never existed. LOL.Thank heavens we all must die someday and know for sure....with no room for doubt.In the mean time...life is too short to waste time with things you don't believe in....so get busy and start doing something you do believe in....positive...fruitful... uplifting...kinds of things.....and bettering of your own life....short as it may be. Quote
Cal Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Posted January 30, 2004 Peace--exactly---treat this life like it DOES matter, contrary to what you have been saying in your other posts! Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Jan 29 2004, 10:04 PM Peace--exactly---treat this life like it DOES matter, contrary to what you have been saying in your other posts! For those who don't have a 'prayer' in the next life...this is all you have....make the most of it... Quote
Cal Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Posted January 30, 2004 Peace--I'm glad you know so much about the afterlife. Too bad you don't know more about this one. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Jan 29 2004, 10:06 PM Peace--I'm glad you know so much about the afterlife. Too bad you don't know more about this one. OHHHOHOHOHOHO.......LOLI know pleanty about this life. Quote
Tr2 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Thank heavens we all must die someday and know for sure....with no room for doubt.In the mean time...life is too short to waste time with things you don't believe in....so get busy and start doing something you do believe in....positive...fruitful... uplifting...kinds of things.....and bettering of your own life....short as it may be.What does that have to do with this discussion? Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Jan 29 2004, 09:08 PM So why would an Angel take them away?Because it's a convenient excuse for the lack of ability to produce somethingn that never existed. Well, it would have been a convenient excuse, except JS never claimed that the scrolls were taken away by the angel...just the plates. He really should have said the scrolls were taken...it would have prevented all the Book of Abraham controversy. But, I'm not a prophet, so what do I know? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 30, 2004 Report Posted January 30, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Jan 29 2004, 11:22 PM Thank heavens we all must die someday and know for sure....with no room for doubt.In the mean time...life is too short to waste time with things you don't believe in....so get busy and start doing something you do believe in....positive...fruitful... uplifting...kinds of things.....and bettering of your own life....short as it may be.What does that have to do with this discussion? Once you die...you will know 'why', 'how', 'if', 'if not', 'who', 'when', 'where', etc, etc,.....the discussion is all about finding what you consider falsehoods, discrepencies, lies....etc...When you have personages visit you from the otherside...a lot of these problems are explained away in very easy ways.Unfortunately most must find their way through faith....many do not have faith....so they will not know until they DIE!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Quote
Snow Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Jan 29 2004, 11:22 PM Thank heavens we all must die someday and know for sure....with no room for doubt.In the mean time...life is too short to waste time with things you don't believe in....so get busy and start doing something you do believe in....positive...fruitful... uplifting...kinds of things.....and bettering of your own life....short as it may be.What does that have to do with this discussion? Going slowly now so you can understand.Peace thinks that one day, perhaps when we die, all these sorts of questions will be answered.In the meantime, one would be better off not wasting time on unknowable and instead should focus on doing good things that have a postive return on the time/effort investment.Does that help Trident? Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Jan 30 2004, 10:46 AM Unfortunately most must find their way through faith....many do not have faith....so they will not know until they DIE!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Is it me, or does Peace strike anyone else as psychotic? Seriously. Ever notice after her posts she's always typing "LOL" or "LOLOL" or "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"? Crazy.Peace,Seriously. Are you on medication? Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 BTW, I feel that what Cal, Bat, Sgallan, and others are doing is very positive and uplifting. I guess it's a matter of perspective. Quote
Guest CharmlessMan Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 I feel that what Cal, Bat, Sgallan, and others are doing is very positive and uplifting. I guess it's a matter of perspectiveUpliftTo raise; elevate. To raise to a higher social, intellectual, or moral level or condition. To raise to spiritual or emotional heights; exalt: music that uplifts the spiritWho's spirits are they uplifting by dragging others down. Maybe others who can only feel "uplifted" by the demoralising of others and thrashing of their beilefs. Ahhhh how sweet.I guess it's a matter of perspective. CharmlessMan Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 30 2004, 07:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 30 2004, 07:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 30 2004, 10:46 AM Unfortunately most must find their way through faith....many do not have faith....so they will not know until they DIE!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Is it me, or does Peace strike anyone else as psychotic? Seriously. Ever notice after her posts she's always typing "LOL" or "LOLOL" or "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"? Crazy.Peace,Seriously. Are you on medication? No.LOL!I was just trying to give you to know that I find your way of thinking funny. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Jan 30 2004, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Jan 30 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Tr2@Jan 29 2004, 11:22 PM Thank heavens we all must die someday and know for sure....with no room for doubt.In the mean time...life is too short to waste time with things you don't believe in....so get busy and start doing something you do believe in....positive...fruitful... uplifting...kinds of things.....and bettering of your own life....short as it may be.What does that have to do with this discussion? Going slowly now so you can understand.Peace thinks that one day, perhaps when we die, all these sorts of questions will be answered.In the meantime, one would be better off not wasting time on unknowable and instead should focus on doing good things that have a postive return on the time/effort investment.Does that help Trident? Actually Snow....I do want people to search out the unknown, etc...but discussion and arguing doesn't seem to get anyone anywhere. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Jan 29 2004, 07:07 PM Would there be a safe place to store real gold plates? Can you imagine how much those things would have been worth? Tumbaga plates, dear. Gold-en plates. We can't have Mormons running around thinking the Gold Plates were actually made of gold. It's too implausible. Please, for future reference, place gold in quotations so that we know you know the plates were golden and not gold.-FARMS Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Jan 29 2004, 06:36 PM The BoM is supposed to contain the "fullness" of the Gospel. But, when I read it, all I find is 99% traditional Christianity and about 1% settling controversies hotly debated in 19th Century New England (infant baptism, mode of baptism, atonement, nature of God, origin of native americans, indians looked jewish-how come?,) and prophesies of things that had already happened (in unprecedented detail) and precious few prophesies about anything that hadn't happened at the time of JS.But I digress. I also notice that what makes Mormonism DISTINCT from other religions is NOT what is in the BoM, but what is in the DC and especially in the Book of Abraham--inferences about eternal marriage, many Gods, man's place in preexistance, that more than one god created the earth.My question--why were the "gold" plates so carefully hidden away, when the Papyrus, which served the same function as the plates allowed to just kick around the Met? Why didn't JS just give the plates to the Smithsonian? Seems to me the Church would love to have their stamp of approval...Why would the source material of the BoM be something to "test the faith" of its adherents, but not the BoA? Quote
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