AmazonWolves Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Alright, so my husband and I are having some serious financial problems due to the loss of my job a few months back. He works, but doesn't make enough money, and so I've been hopping from one job to the next trying to make dues. We're behind in most of our bills, and are scraping to get rent. Not to mention we have barely enough money to buy some food every couple of weeks. My aunt, who is no longer a member, recalled her days (like 30 years ago) when she was in a similar situation and went to her Bishop, who said that the Church could help. She's told me to go to my Bishop, but to be honest, I'm unfamiliar with what can happen. Does anyone know? We haven't been able to attend Church often lately because we have to work some Sundays, does that matter? Anyone know what the deal is so I can go to my Bishop not looking like I have no idea what to ask of him? Quote
Snow Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Maybe someone who has been in a Bishopric can better answer but in the Church assistance is rendered by the bishop and in my experience they have always wanted to help. One bishop said to me, "Allow me to be a good bishop," I am sure they would hope that you attended Church or did what you could to accomodate staying active. The first thing you need to do is ask... Quote
Amillia Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Originally posted by AmazonWolves@Sep 5 2004, 10:22 AM Alright, so my husband and I are having some serious financial problems due to the loss of my job a few months back. He works, but doesn't make enough money, and so I've been hopping from one job to the next trying to make dues.We're behind in most of our bills, and are scraping to get rent. Not to mention we have barely enough money to buy some food every couple of weeks.My aunt, who is no longer a member, recalled her days (like 30 years ago) when she was in a similar situation and went to her Bishop, who said that the Church could help. She's told me to go to my Bishop, but to be honest, I'm unfamiliar with what can happen. Does anyone know?We haven't been able to attend Church often lately because we have to work some Sundays, does that matter?Anyone know what the deal is so I can go to my Bishop not looking like I have no idea what to ask of him? You have to be a tithe paying, active member. Quote
Snow Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. Quote
Guest bat Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Sep 5 2004, 01:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Sep 5 2004, 01:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. Snow is correct. I know an atheist that doesn't pay tithing, who goes to church on occasion because her bishop helps her out with her rent. Anything for free money, I guess.... Quote
Amillia Posted September 5, 2004 Report Posted September 5, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Sep 5 2004, 02:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Sep 5 2004, 02:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. I guess it depends upon your bishop and stake president. I know many, many, who have been denied. Quote
Guest bat Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 I should ask my bishop for a handout. Quote
Setheus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 You know, if Christ only helped us when we have "earned" or "deserve" it then none of us would ever get help and there would be no need for church assistance programs. The Church is built on the words of Christ, and I belive that at some point He said "Ask and ye shall recieve. Knock and it shall be opened to you..." Quote
Kevin Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia+Sep 5 2004, 04:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Sep 5 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Snow@Sep 5 2004, 02:06 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. I guess it depends upon your bishop and stake president. I know many, many, who have been denied. If so, then I believe that has been done contrary to the church handbook of instructions. I've seen many many who were taken care of regardless of tithing, church attendance etc. I've never seen one turned away and I've seen hundreds. Quote
Amillia Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Kevin+Sep 5 2004, 08:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kevin @ Sep 5 2004, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 04:54 PM Originally posted by -Snow@Sep 5 2004, 02:06 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. I guess it depends upon your bishop and stake president. I know many, many, who have been denied. If so, then I believe that has been done contrary to the church handbook of instructions. I've seen many many who were taken care of regardless of tithing, church attendance etc. I've never seen one turned away and I've seen hundreds. Obviously it is our stake and ward leaders who are off their chair. Quote
srm Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia+Sep 5 2004, 04:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Sep 5 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Snow@Sep 5 2004, 02:06 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 12:53 PM You have to be a tithe paying, active member. I can assure you from personal experience that is completely untrue. I guess it depends upon your bishop and stake president. I know many, many, who have been denied. How is it that you're privy to what happened between these, 'many, many people' and their Bishop? And, do you know of any that did receive assitance that weren't a tithe paying, active member? Quote
john doe Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 do you know of any that did receive assitance that weren't a tithe paying, active member? I do. Tithing is not strictly a preconditon to receiving assistance. However, there are some circumstances where you may be asked to donate some sort of service if possible. I believe bishops are given some latitude in determining needs and requirements for receiving assistance. Typically, if a visit to the bishop's storehouse is involved, a member of the R.S. presidency is enlisted to help determine food and clothing needs. Quote
Guest bat Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by john doe@Sep 5 2004, 08:50 PM do you know of any that did receive assitance that weren't a tithe paying, active member? I do. Tithing is not strictly a preconditon to receiving assistance. However, there are some circumstances where you may be asked to donate some sort of service if possible. I believe bishops are given some latitude in determining needs and requirements for receiving assistance. Typically, if a visit to the bishop's storehouse is involved, a member of the R.S. presidency is enlisted to help determine food and clothing needs. The girl I know that got money from the bishop had to make soap for the church. For the amount of time she "donated" to making soap, she could have just got a job and made way more money than the bishop gave her. People are smart. Quote
john doe Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Maybe the lesson she learned from this experience was "get a job". Church welfare assistance should not be viewed as a handout but a helping hand for those truly in need of it. Quote
Guest bat Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by john doe@Sep 5 2004, 09:16 PM Maybe the lesson she learned from this experience was "get a job". Church welfare assistance should not be viewed as a handout but a helping hand for those truly in need of it. Yea, that message seems to have finally come across. 26 years old, and her first real job. I guess the State and the church had been bled dry enough. Quote
Snow Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 08:26 PM Obviously it is our stake and ward leaders who are off their chair. Does that mean that you think that your local leaders are "EVIL" like you think President Hinckley is "EVIL"?Besides which, dear Amelia, how is it that you are privy to the decisions and reasons going into the decisions regarding assistance to ward members? Do you have a wiretap in the Bishop's office or does he just tell you everything in secret? Quote
Amillia Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Sep 5 2004, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Sep 5 2004, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 08:26 PM Obviously it is our stake and ward leaders who are off their chair. Does that mean that you think that your local leaders are "EVIL" like you think President Hinckley is "EVIL"?Besides which, dear Amelia, how is it that you are privy to the decisions and reasons going into the decisions regarding assistance to ward members? Do you have a wiretap in the Bishop's office or does he just tell you everything in secret? You would be surprised what I have. Quote
Snow Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 09:40 PM You would be surprised what I have. No I wouldn't. All this sounds made up. Quote
john doe Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 You would be surprised what I have. Probably not, when it really comes down to what you REALLY have as compared to what you THINK you have. Quote
Amillia Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by john doe@Sep 5 2004, 10:48 PM You would be surprised what I have. Probably not, when it really comes down to what you REALLY have as compared to what you THINK you have. like you say. Quote
Amillia Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Sep 5 2004, 10:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Sep 5 2004, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 09:40 PM You would be surprised what I have. No I wouldn't. All this sounds made up. Well you know what they say about supicious minds. Quote
Setheus Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 09:58 PM Well you know what they say about supicious minds. what? that they are smart for thinking things out and not falling for hoaxes? Or that they are not gullible <not going to spell check that. Quote
srm Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Originally posted by Amillia+Sep 5 2004, 09:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Sep 5 2004, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Snow@Sep 5 2004, 10:23 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Sep 5 2004, 08:26 PM Obviously it is our stake and ward leaders who are off their chair. Does that mean that you think that your local leaders are "EVIL" like you think President Hinckley is "EVIL"?Besides which, dear Amelia, how is it that you are privy to the decisions and reasons going into the decisions regarding assistance to ward members? Do you have a wiretap in the Bishop's office or does he just tell you everything in secret? You would be surprised what I have. OK, I'll bite. What do you have? Quote
Matt Posted September 6, 2004 Report Posted September 6, 2004 Well, let's see, SRM. She has somthing you, Snow, Bat and I will certainly never have! What is it? Guess. And it isn't what you might think... Quote
Guest bat Posted September 7, 2004 Report Posted September 7, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Sep 6 2004, 03:35 PM Well, let's see, SRM. She has somthing you, Snow, Bat and I will certainly never have! What is it? Guess.And it isn't what you might think... Hoop earrings? Quote
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