Wmd's And Iraq

[Traveler]

How soon do we forget what is not advantageous to our political agenda. Following is a quote from Anthony Lake’s book “6 Nightmares”:

*Iraq has declared that it possesses thousands of gallons of anthrax and botulism toxin, enough to wipe out the population of the Earth several times over. It also has four metric tons of VX-a nerve agent so deadly that a single drop can kill.

Who is this Anthony Lake spewing such a lie about Iraq and WMD’s. I quote from his bio:

Anthony Lake served as national security advisor to President Clinton from 1993 to 1996. He first joined the State Department in 1962, eventually serving as an aide to Henry Kissinger, and returned to the department in the Carter Administration. He is currently a professor at Georgetown University and lectures extensively across the country.

How interesting that Anthony is not among the Democrats accusing President Bush of lying about WMD’s in Iraq. Interesting too that he was the leading expert (not a expert but the leading expert) of such things during the Clinton administration. I would also point out that in 1996 he was nominated by Clinton for head of the CIA, but the Republicans in the Senate blocked the nomination for strictly political reasons – Anthony upset over politics withdrew his name. Can anyone even think of the conservative Republicans placing politics over security of our nation’s citizens? - No more than the compassionate liberal Democrats would sacrifice the lives of innocent children for their politics.

I would point out three things concerning Anthony’s declaration. First that he draws attention to the Biological and chemical WMD in Iraq after the first “Gulf War” when the UN was attempting to oversee the destruction of WMD’s in Iraq. Which brings us to the second point: There is not a single indication of the slightest shred of evidence of any attempts by Iraq to ever destroy any WMD’s or WMD production capability by the UN or anyone else. The third point concerns Iraq use of WMD’s on at least 3 separate occasions. When the above statement was made, Iraq had ample time to continue to produce even more WMD’s than were ever used. Even taking into account the Gulf war destroying WMD production capability there is still enough production time to more than replace any WMD’s that were known to have been used. In other words there was greater time to produce WMD’s after the last known use compared to the time needed to have produced them for use.

The political question asked now in our current election environment - is why Bush lied about WMD’s in order to start the war – since none were found (not true because some – but very little – were found) in Iraq. But the problem behind this stupid claim of a Bush lie is that Bush did not hatch the lie about WMD’s – if it is a lie, Clinton would be the liar that planted it and cultivated it in his administration. If we can believe anything from the Clinton administration we can wonder tonight as we go to sleep => Since the Clinton administration said (and the Bush administration agreed – a rare thing in politics) Iraq had WMD’s sufficient to kill the population of the entire earth – SEVERAL TIMES OVER – And since no one seems to know what happened to any of the WMD’s (or for that matter even cares), could any or even the smallest fraction of these biological and chemical agents have found there way into the hands of organizations with desires to smuggle them into the USA for use against our population? And in full view of current politics – who’s fault will that be? Who is arguing that there is no possibility, what-so-ever, of any WMD’s from Iraq to have any connection to organizations intent on using them in the USA? They are asking you to bet you life and freedom on it in the upcoming election – divided on this issue mostly on party lines. Why the division now when it was once one of the few things agreed upon between the two previous administrations?

I am not a fan of Bush or the Republican party – he is not a good president and the Republican party, as well as the Democratic Party, are nothing more that power brokers for those that delight in exercising power over citizens. But what I cannot understand is, in this question of national security – why is it that so many offer their freedom and life to those that claim there is no concern over the missing WMD’s from Iraq. Such stupidity is just too much of a bad example of blind politics and the core of how 9/11 could happen or be used or forgotten in favor of political agendas. But then Anthony and I are obviously misinformed in this matter. Dan Rather is a much better source to trust – He and other such types are careful guardians of truth and can be trusted to never misuse their standing to give false impressions to favor their political agendas.

The Traveler

[Ray]

I am neither a fanatic of President Bush, the Republican party, nor any other President or political party, but I will say that President Bush is one of the best presidents of the United States that I have ever seen in my life here on Earth. And yes, I have been here on Earth for as long as I can remember.

I am not saying that I believe that President Bush is perfect, however, but I believe he is doing the best he can on the limited amount of intelligence that he has available to him, or at least the amount of intelligence that he knows is available to him right now, and that he has acted with integrity in everything he has set out to do in his role as president.

And btw, this testimony is not being given through coercion or for any other means other than to share my thoughts and feelings with the people who are reading it.

[Cal]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 5 2004, 04:10 PM

I am neither a fanatic of President Bush, the Republican party, nor any other President or political party, but I will say that President Bush is one of the best presidents of the United States that I have ever seen in my life here on Earth.  And yes, I have been here on Earth for as long as I can remember.

I am not saying that I believe that President Bush is perfect, however, but I believe he is doing the best he can on the limited amount of intelligence that he has available to him, or at least the amount of intelligence that he knows is available to him right now, and that he has acted with integrity in everything he has set out to do in his role as president.

And btw, this testimony is not being given through coercion or for any other means other than to share my thoughts and feelings with the people who are reading it.

Have you had a revelation that gave you a testimony of Bush? Has God told you that Bush is a great prez? You used the word testimony. Because if he did, He changed his mind recently, because He just told me the opposite. Of course, I'm will to acknowledge that it was probably indigestion if you are. :)

By the way, you start of by saying you are no fan of Bush, and then contradict yourself by calling him one of the best presidents ever. What am I missing?

I think you are on to something when you use the phrase "limited amount of intelligence that he has available to him".. I can't think of a recent president who has had less.

[Guest Traci]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 5 2004, 05:10 PM

I am not saying that I believe that President Bush is perfect, however, but I believe he is doing the best he can on the limited amount of intelligence...

YOU said it, Ray! But, I disagree. I believe Bush is a perfect idiot.

[Ray]

Everyone but God has a limited amount of intelligence and we all use what we have in different ways. That is why I also said that I believe President Bush has acted with integrity in everything he has set out to do in his role as president, which is a lot more than I can say about a lot of other people.

And btw, I’m not interested in getting into an argument about this so I will now simply leave my testimony as so stated.

[Traveler]

Perhaps the delusion Ray has over Bush being a good president is because Ray is comparing Bush to Bill Clinton (the most celebrated and documented liar since Hitler to ever be elected to power in the free world).

Or maybe he is comparing the warped Bush to the even greater disaster, John Kerry. In that Kerry and his Marxist ideas (this including all other registered candidate’s platforms) is by choice the enemy of freedom and democracy , and most closely resembles the ideology of the Communist Party of America (which has sought for the destruction of freedom and democracy for more that 3/4 of this century. For reference you can visit the website of the Communist Party of America at <www.cpusa.org>

If you do not think Kerry is a Marxist in support of Communist policy - please take the time to visit the Communist Party’s website and point out an article at that site, to which Kerry has an opposing opinion. I would like to believe that the communist have not penetrated the Democratic party to the extent that they could have one of their own rise to such power and run for president. At least visit and tell me who is freedom and democracy and the enemy of Communism - Bush or Kerry?

The Traveler

[Cal]

Originally posted by Traveler@Oct 10 2004, 02:37 PM

Perhaps the delusion Ray has over Bush being a good president is because Ray is comparing Bush to Bill Clinton (the most celebrated and documented liar since Hitler to ever be elected to power in the free world).

Or maybe he is comparing the warped Bush to the even greater disaster, John Kerry. In that Kerry and his Marxist ideas (this including all other registered candidate’s platforms) is by choice the enemy of freedom and democracy , and most closely resembles the ideology of the Communist Party of America (which has sought for the destruction of freedom and democracy for more that 3/4 of this century. For reference you can visit the website of the Communist Party of America at <www.cpusa.org>

If you do not think Kerry is a Marxist in support of Communist policy - please take the time to visit the Communist Party’s website and point out an article at that site, to which Kerry has an opposing opinion. I would like to believe that the communist have not penetrated the Democratic party to the extent that they could have one of their own rise to such power and run for president. At least visit and tell me who is freedom and democracy and the enemy of Communism - Bush or Kerry?

The Traveler

Traveler--now I KNOW you are cracked. In case you hadn't noticed, calling someone a Communist went out of vogue about 15 years ago. Get current dude!

If Kerry is a Marxist, then Bush is a Nazi! Both characterizations are extreme distortions of reality.

[Guest axJVcoach]

i wonder what i am then...?

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Cal@Oct 10 2004, 07:02 PM

If you do not think Kerry is a Marxist in support of Communist policy - please take the time to visit the Communist Party’s website and point out an article at that site, to which Kerry has an opposing opinion. I would like to believe that the communist have not penetrated the Democratic party to the extent that they could have one of their own rise to such power and run for president. At least visit and tell me who is freedom and democracy and the enemy of Communism - Bush or Kerry?

The Traveler

Traveler--now I KNOW you are cracked. In case you hadn't noticed, calling someone a Communist went out of vogue about 15 years ago. Get current dude!

If Kerry is a Marxist, then Bush is a Nazi! Both characterizations are extreme distortions of reality.

Up until one week ago the Communist Party listed Kerry as their Party choice for President at their website. A political problem I am sure. But you have not pointed out the difference between the Kerry positions and that of the Communist Party of the United States.

In fact I can't tell the difference between your stand and that of the Communist Party. Why not do us all a favor and visit the site and tell us how you differ?

Afraid to admit it?

The Traveler

[Cal]

If you do not think Kerry is a Marxist in support of Communist policy - please take the time to visit the Communist Party’s website and point out an article at that site, to which Kerry has an opposing opinion. I would like to believe that the communist have not penetrated the Democratic party to the extent that they could have one of their own rise to such power and run for president. At least visit and tell me who is freedom and democracy and the enemy of Communism - Bush or Kerry?

The Traveler

Traveler--now I KNOW you are cracked. In case you hadn't noticed, calling someone a Communist went out of vogue about 15 years ago. Get current dude!

If Kerry is a Marxist, then Bush is a Nazi! Both characterizations are extreme distortions of reality.

Up until one week ago the Communist Party listed Kerry as their Party choice for President at their website. A political problem I am sure. But you have not pointed out the difference between the Kerry positions and that of the Communist Party of the United States.

In fact I can't tell the difference between your stand and that of the Communist Party. Why not do us all a favor and visit the site and tell us how you differ?

Afraid to admit it?

The Traveler

First, I'm really not much interested in what the Communist party of the United States has to say. I'm sure it is an insignificant fringe group, and there is no shortage of them. Secondly, if this party has the same platform as the democrats, then whoopy for them. (Perhaps we should tell them to go get their own positions on issues and stop copying the democrats.) I make no apology for the fact that some goofy fringe group has the good sense to follow the democrats.

I suspect what you are really doing is trying to tie the democrats to the Marxist ideology. Preposterous. Marx hated capitalism. Democrats don't oppose capitalism--we do want to make sure that the abuses of capitalism are kept under some kind of reasonable control.

Frankly, I really have no idea what you are talking about when you accuse Kerry of being a Marxist. And I don't think you actually do either. If you want to convince me that you have a clue, then bring up a specific issue, and let's have at it.

[Traveler]

Cal: If Kerry is a Marxist, then Bush is a Nazi! Both characterizations are extreme distortions of reality.

Me: It always amazes me how liberals distort truth. If you were really informed you would realize that Nazi’s are Socialists - granted Bush comes close because he is not a real conservative but there is a greater problem problem. Nazi’s are also nationalistic. The Bush border policy does not qualify Bush as a Nazi. The fact is Nazi’s were Left wing socialists. True conservatism is not socialism - Communist mislabel their enemies as part of their “Big Lie” attempting to distance their brand of socialism from that of the Nazi’s..

Cal: First, I'm really not much interested in what the Communist party of the United States has to say. I'm sure it is an insignificant fringe group, and there is no shortage of them. Secondly, if this party has the same platform as the democrats, then whoopy for them. (Perhaps we should tell them to go get their own positions on issues and stop copying the democrats.) I make no apology for the fact that some goofy fringe group has the good sense to follow the democrats.

I suspect what you are really doing is trying to tie the democrats to the Marxist ideology. Preposterous. Marx hated capitalism. Democrats don't oppose capitalism--we do want to make sure that the abuses of capitalism are kept under some kind of reasonable control.

Frankly, I really have no idea what you are talking about when you accuse Kerry of being a Marxist. And I don't think you actually do either. If you want to convince me that you have a clue, then bring up a specific issue, and let's have at it.

Me: Ignorance is such bliss. Following is a pre World War II document circulated to the communist party in the United States of America which outlines their activity over the last 80 years:

A. Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.

B. Get control of all means of publicity thereby:

1. Get people's minds off their government by focusing attention on athletics, sexy books, plays and other trivialities.

2. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.

3. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding them up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy.

4. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.

5. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.

6. Foment unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.

7. By specious argument cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues, honesty, sobriety, continence, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.

C. Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext with a view to confiscating them and leaving the population helpless.

Now from a World Net daily news article by Hal Lindsey:

In the aftermath of Election 2000, angry partisan Democrats vowed to do everything in their power to make the Bush presidency a failure and to defeat him in 2004 "by whatever means necessary."

In the process, they've managed to undermine voter confidence in our election system to the degree that the State Department has asked the Europeans to monitor this election for fairness. They've managed to convince voters that the election isn't fair because the voting machines are suddenly too complicated for old people and minorities.

There have been endless stories about Florida this year and how to avoid a "repeat of Election 2000" by improving the voting system.

While nothing is idiot-proof, old people and minorities managed to elect Bill Clinton twice using the same equipment. It didn't need to be overhauled until it somehow misfired and elected George Bush instead. No matter how many times they recounted, George Bush still got more votes than Al Gore. Therefore, there must be something wrong with the voting equipment.

Nothing appears to be above exploitation. John Kerry even dedicated a speech he delivered on Monday to the late actor Christopher Reeve. Kerry said he knew the "Superman" actor for about 15 years through family and dedication to the same causes, and said Reeve left him a long voice-mail on Saturday thanking him for campaigning on the possibilities of a cure for conditions like his.

It had been originally reported that Reeve died on Sunday after slipping into a coma on Thursday following complications from treatment for a bed sore. After John Kerry's speech, reports of Reeve's death were changed to remove the reference to Thursday in order to make it possible for Reeve to call John Kerry and leave a long message for him on his answering machine on Saturday night. Evidently, Kerry didn't know about the "coma" part until after the speech, but his well-oiled damage-control team was already on it.

A blogger on Free Republic provided one example of the "before and after" media manipulation that kept John Kerry from having another "Christmas in Cambodia" moment like the ones that keep coming up every time he tries to exploit the dead.

And if exploitation, media manipulation and outright lies don't work, how about voter intimidation? GOP Chairman Marc Racicot issued, as part of a GOP press release, a copy of a letter he sent to the president of the AFL-CIO. As of yesterday morning, the only place you can read it is a website in Spain.

In it, Racicot asked organized labor to end its campaign of violence against Bush-Cheney political offices and Bush supporters. Among the incidents cited by Racicot:

A coordinated labor protest at more than a dozen campaign and party headquarters across the country.

In one protest in Orlando, the office was vandalized and one campaign worker had their arm broken in the melee.

In Canton, Ohio, a Bush-Cheney '04 staffer was forced to lock herself in an office while another break-in was in progress.

Gunshots were fired into Bush-Cheney '04 offices in West Virginia, Florida and Tennessee, windows broken in West Virginia and campaign staffers threatened.

In Wisconsin, a supporter of the president had a swastika burned into his front yard simply because he had a Bush-Cheney '04 lawn sign.

Disinformation, voter fraud, organized violence, outright lies, exploitation and media manipulation. Those were the principle tools used by the Nazis to bring Hitler to power in 1933 Germany.

Me Again: Now some more about Kerry: He has never attempted to distance his stand from that of the Communist Party Of the United States of America. Not during the Viet Nam conflict and not since. He never gave names, specific dates or specific places of US war crimes but with only innuendo attempted to implicate all US service men and never once ever criticized the communist in Viet Nam - ever. His efforts in behalf of the communist inspired the communist of North Viet Nam to erect a special memorial honoring Kerry. Twice he met with the Communist in Paris during peace talks - both times while still an officer of the US military and contrary to military law and while the US was still in conflict. The Kerry campaign while accusing Bush of keeping his military records secret have kept secret the military records of Kerry’s court martial following these events only disclosing a re-discharge in 2001. And Dan Rather has never made any comment to encourage Kerry disclosure.

Let me also state that I am not a Republican - I left that party over criminal action taking place during the Nixon years. I believe if America had any idea what the Republican party was doing to America, the citizens of this country would drag the party heads into the streets and execute them. But for every evil the Republicans have done the Democrats have done 10. There is a reason no one knows Kerry political plans of socialized employment, health care, retirement and economic control. It is all part of the plan of Communism to end freedom and free enterprise in America.

The Traveler