What Is The Worse Sin?

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Cal@Dec 20 2004, 03:54 PM

I agree this might be true for some sins; but consider the effects of adultery on children. How can they protect themselves from the fall out of those kinds of acts by their parents? Or consider spousal or child abuse. Pretty hard to say, "don't buy into the effects". Even lesser things. Say lying to your boss about the hours you are putting in on the job. Eventually you lose your job---if you have a family to support, the fall out may be pretty drastic.

First off I agree that evil deeds can become a great stumbling block for others. However, keep in mind that Shakespear once wrote, “Nothing is as good or as bad as it seems only that thinking makes it so.”

It is impossible to get through life without receiving something bad you do not deserve. It appears to me that when you focus on yourself it will amplify the effect any injustice will have. It also appears to me that the only way to get past injustice is a willingness to sacrifice yourself for the benefit of others.

We should always be concerned for others. Realizing that we can have an negative impact on them but at the same time realizing that they do not have to have a negative impact on us.

The Traveler

[Guest curvette]

I agree with what Traveler is saying here (I think.) The effects of sin are neverending. We may not be able to control the amount of "sinning" that people do, but we can minimize their effects upon our own spiritual development. I know that when I was very young, I was extremely forgiving. I forgave everyone and everything and I was happy, happy, happy! It's harder to forgive as an adult. I still have a forgiving nature, but I have to make a more conscious effort. Probably because I realize that I have so much to be forgiven for myself. I think I could probably forgive just about any offense directed towards me. I would find it much harder to forgive someone who purposely hurt one of my children. I hope that's a test I never have to face.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by curvette@Dec 21 2004, 01:54 PM

I think I could probably forgive just about any offense directed towards me. I would find it much harder to forgive someone who purposely hurt one of my children. I hope that's a test I never have to face.

What if someone was neglectful and your child was almost killed?

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Dec 21 2004, 07:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Dec 21 2004, 07:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Dec 21 2004, 01:54 PM

I think I could probably forgive just about any offense directed towards me.  I would find it much harder to forgive someone who purposely hurt one of my children.  I hope that's a test I never have to face.

What if someone was neglectful and your child was almost killed?

That would be hard too, especially because I am so safety conscious. I guess you are probably dealing with this issue right now. Ironically, a few years ago, my mother-in-law was hit in the head by a flying tire while riding on the back of a motorcycle. A guy in the oncoming lane of traffic had inadequetly bolted on a new tire, and it came flying off, shattered her helmet and almost killed her. She is permanantly brain damaged, but functional. I think that if the guy had known the day to day consequences his amature tire changing would have caused our family, he would have done it differently. It was a very stupid, negligent thing to do, but it was an accident. It's hard to say how I'd feel if it had been my child instead of her. If someone intentionally caused harm or death to my child, I'm afraid that might put me over the edge.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by curvette+Dec 21 2004, 09:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Dec 21 2004, 09:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Strawberry Fields@Dec 21 2004, 07:50 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Dec 21 2004, 01:54 PM

I think I could probably forgive just about any offense directed towards me.  I would find it much harder to forgive someone who purposely hurt one of my children.  I hope that's a test I never have to face.

What if someone was neglectful and your child was almost killed?

That would be hard too, especially because I am so safety conscious. I guess you are probably dealing with this issue right now. Ironically, a few years ago, my mother-in-law was hit in the head by a flying tire while riding on the back of a motorcycle. A guy in the oncoming lane of traffic had inadequetly bolted on a new tire, and it came flying off, shattered her helmet and almost killed her. She is permanantly brain damaged, but functional. I think that if the guy had known the day to day consequences his amature tire changing would have caused our family, he would have done it differently. It was a very stupid, negligent thing to do, but it was an accident. It's hard to say how I'd feel if it had been my child instead of her. If someone intentionally caused harm or death to my child, I'm afraid that might put me over the edge.

Sorry to hear about your mother in laws brain injury.

This whole thing makes me think more about accidents.

Accident

1. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.

2. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.

3. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing.

4. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.

5. Logic. A circumstance or attribute that is not essential to the nature of something.

I am still not sure that what happened to Nick fits into any category of an accident. I am quite sure you have heard of the saying 'Hate the sin, but love the sinner", that is how I currently feel. I hate the events that lead up to Nick being injured, but not the people...I can't imagine what it must be like to be them.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Dec 21 2004, 09:52 PM

Accident

1. An unexpected and undesirable event, especially one resulting in damage or harm: car accidents on icy roads.

2. An unforeseen incident: A series of happy accidents led to his promotion.

3. An instance of involuntary urination or defecation in one's clothing.

4. Lack of intention; chance: ran into an old friend by accident.

5. Logic. A circumstance or attribute that is not essential to the nature of something.

I think I would rather be involved in #4 than #3 (which probably should be listed as #2 or #1!) :)

[kroboz]

I'm going to completely derail this topic and say the worst sin is the abuse of children. Yeah, technically denying Christ, God, and the Holy Ghost after having a perfect knowledge is the worst sin you can commit (according to scripture) but I feel that anyone that knowingly abuses children has done something worse. Anyone that would do that to a child, it just makes me so angry thinking about it. I found out my best friend was abused when she was a child, and I am so angry at the person who did that to her. I haven't ever met the guy, never seen him, but I am so angry at him. I don't know if I'll ever be able to forgive him, even though I either should or don't have to, not sure how it works.

Anyway, that's what I say is the worst. That followed by reality television. Ugh.

[Guest jackvance88]

an interesting point about the unpardonable sin (sin against the holy ghost) was made by Nibley.

it's unpardonable because you don't repent. in other words, you reject christ and "continue" that way until judgment day, and because you have not repented then you are not forgiven. everyone, to be saved in a kingdom of glory, will need to repent eventually ie every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, but, there will be some who don't, who, even at the very last day, will refuse to accept christ, right to his face, and these will be cast off.

i've heard of people panicking that they think they've committed the unpardonable sin. the fact that they're even worried about it proves they haven't, for those who commit it do not care at all that they have ie are not repentent, and therein lies their great sin.

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Originally posted by jackvance88@Dec 30 2004, 03:29 PM

i've heard of people panicking that they think they've committed the unpardonable sin. the fact that they're even worried about it proves they haven't, for those who commit it do not care at all that they have ie are not repentent, and therein lies their great sin.

good point

[Amillia]

Originally posted by jackvance88@Dec 30 2004, 04:29 PM

an interesting point about the unpardonable sin (sin against the holy ghost) was made by Nibley.

it's unpardonable because you don't repent. in other words, you reject christ and "continue" that way until judgment day, and because you have not repented then you are not forgiven. everyone, to be saved in a kingdom of glory, will need to repent eventually ie every knee shall bow and every tongue confess, but, there will be some who don't, who, even at the very last day, will refuse to accept christ, right to his face, and these will be cast off.

i've heard of people panicking that they think they've committed the unpardonable sin. the fact that they're even worried about it proves they haven't, for those who commit it do not care at all that they have ie are not repentent, and therein lies their great sin.

I don't know if I agree with that. It is just my opinion, but I think that it is in the denying the Holy Ghost that Satan has the power to bind them down, blinding their minds and hearts, and this is what causes them to not desire repentence.

Chicken or the egg? Which came first, the non repentant attitude or the denying Christ?