Jobiwon Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 And now, verily I say to you, I the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinnith shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God. Doctrine and covenants sec 82:7 What does that mean??????
Guest missingsomething Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Again, just my opinions here - I am not a scriturian like some. (does that word exist or did Imake it up?) Anywho - I believe Christ is saying, I will not hold this sin against you - go repent (feel remorse, ask forgiveness, - and go your way but do not do it again). If you do it again, then you were not truly repentant, and you will be accountable for both the second offense and the first - because you truly did not "repent". EDIT: This does not mean you can never be forgiven, it just means that you have to work hard and become repentant and then you will be forgiven again.
Jobiwon Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Posted March 20, 2009 Again, just my opinions here - I am not a scriturian like some. (does that word exist or did Imake it up?)Anywho - I believe Christ is saying, I will not hold this sin against you - go repent (feel remorse, ask forgiveness, - and go your way but do not do it again). If you do it again, then you were not truly repentant, and you will be accountable for both the second offense and the first - because you truly did not "repent".EDIT: This does not mean you can never be forgiven, it just means that you have to work hard and become repentant and then you will be forgiven again.Have you repented? Are you sinless? Moroni 10:32: "Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind, and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God yea are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." Have you denied yourself of " all ungodliness"? Since Jesus' grace is not sufficient for you until until you have cleared " all ungodliness " out of your life, how can you be "perfect in Christ"? How can you recieve His "grace" for salvation, if you haven't stopped sining and are not walking "blameless before God" being sufficiently humble, stripped of pride and envy? Have you honestly say you have done "all" you can do for salvation?
Dravin Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 All one can do is ones best.I think you may be missing the point of the scripture, which is that you can't sit there reveling in your sins thumbing your nose at the Lord and his commandments. And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Jobiwon Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Posted March 20, 2009 All one can do is ones best.I think you may be missing the point of the scripture, which is that you can't sit there reveling in your sins thumbing your nose at the Lord and his commandments.You are right, all one can do is ones best, according to the bible, According to The book of mormon, you must be perfect, which is impossible. The angel Moroni is the angel of light and satan disguises him as the angel of light.I love you with all my heart, but mormons do not know the Jesus of the bible, they beilive in a false Jesus. Jesus created all the angels and everything in exsistance. He is eternal.Brothers with the devil, no, creator.
Dravin Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 According to The book of mormon, you must be perfect, which is impossible.Actually no. For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.We are saved after all we can do, and you've already agree that all we can do is our best. Currently the best we can do as fallible beings is not perfection, ergo perfection is not a requirement for being saved. Moroni's exhortation to be perfect is no different than this one:Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.And you've just stated the Bible doesn't require perfection as a prerequisite for salvation (which is a silly concept, if one was truly perfect one wouldn't need to be saved).I love you with all my heart, but mormons do not know the Jesus of the bible, they beilive in a false Jesus. Jesus created all the angels and everything in exsistance. He is eternal.Stating something does not make it true. In fact if we are correct it is we who know Jesus and it is you who lacks knowledge and understanding of his nature and characteristics (though not completely). The I believe in the real Jesus and you don't game doesn't go anywhere. I'm curious, what would you say are the qualifications for salvation? The criteria that when met mean salvation.
WillowTheWhisp Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I love you with all my heart, but mormons do not know the Jesus of the bible, they beilive in a false Jesus. Jesus created all the angels and everything in exsistance. He is eternal.Brothers with the devil, no, creator.What is your scriptural basis for such a statement? Jesus was the creator of the Earth under the direction of Heavenly Father but he did not create angels.To answer the qustion about sin. If we repent we are forgiven. True repentance mean forsaking the sin and never doing it again. If we do it again it means we did not truly repent and if we did not repent then we cannot be forgiven. That i why we are held accountable then for the original sin also.
Jobiwon Posted March 21, 2009 Author Report Posted March 21, 2009 Actually no. We are saved after all we can do, and you've already agree that all we can do is our best. Currently the best we can do as fallible beings is not perfection, ergo perfection is not a requirement for being saved. Moroni's exhortation to be perfect is no different than this one:And you've just stated the Bible doesn't require perfection as a prerequisite for salvation (which is a silly concept, if one was truly perfect one wouldn't need to be saved).Stating something does not make it true. In fact if we are correct it is we who know Jesus and it is you who lacks knowledge and understanding of his nature and characteristics (though not completely). The I believe in the real Jesus and you don't game doesn't go anywhere. I'm curious, what would you say are the qualifications for salvation? The criteria that when met mean salvation.Repent and trust in Jesus. Good works come naturally when truly saved
Book_of_Mormon_Warrior Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 You are right, all one can do is ones best, according to the bible, According to The book of mormon, you must be perfect, which is impossible. The angel Moroni is the angel of light and satan disguises him as the angel of light.I love you with all my heart, but mormons do not know the Jesus of the bible, they beilive in a false Jesus. Jesus created all the angels and everything in exsistance. He is eternal.Brothers with the devil, no, creator.You are ignoring the totality of the scripture. It plainly acknowledges you can't possibly achieve what it asks, for in the same verse it says..."that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ;"Cease to purposely misinterpret the scriptures and fight against the word of God.
Palerider Posted March 21, 2009 Report Posted March 21, 2009 I am closing this thread since the author of it has been banned for spewing venom.....
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