Body Of Flesh And Bones

[Cal]

Originally posted by Peace@Jan 18 2004, 01:12 PM

I believe God works within many different settings for His many children. I believe that the primary purpose of this life is to gain experience. I believe everyone on the planet is where God would have them be...gaining the experience He would have them gain.

Under the plan of God, everyone will be given all they need to obtain the ultimate realm of Glory...whether in this life or the life to come.

I see no conflict in the confirmations of 'truth' be they in one church or another, as long as those truth's bring men to a higher level of 'love' for their fellowmen.

When I asked the Lord specifically where I could find HIS TRUE CHURCH, He told me in no uncertain terms, "My True Church is where there is true and honorable priesthood."

IOW I wasn't told the LDS church, or the Catholic Church, or the RLDS church. I learned from this interchange that 'righteousness' and the 'true church of the Lamb' is a state of being...

Where you can 'become' is where you should be and that is where you will be lead.

'Becoming' is the ultimate purpose of the experiences we have here. It matters not whether 'for one it is here' and 'for another it is there'.

This isn't what your church teaches and you know it. Mormonism teaches that unless you accept the Mormon church unequivocally, you are lost, and cannot inherit the Celestial Kingdom. Let's get real!

[Traveler]

Originally posted by Cal@Jan 17 2004, 11:25 AM

Traveler....the word "hate", nor the feeling, is in my vocabulary. I enjoy debate and discussion for its own sake, and is not meant to be taken personally. If I find what I think is illogical in a person's responses, I may seem to attack the response, but I bear no ill feeling toward anyone of any religion on this board.

I find many of your postings informative and well considered. I find others hard to follow without making a lot of questionable assumptions. Be that as it may, your previous posting where you address me as though I had said something about being created in God's image mystifies me a little. I don't remember addressing that issue in THIS thread. What were you refering to?

Regarding atrocities perpetuated in the name of religion, I'm sure those that committed the MM massacre thought they were doing so in the name of God, as other religious acts of 'rightousness'. Religious fanaticism has been one of the great social plagues that humans have brought on themselves. If you are going to single out Trinitarianism, you might as well get even more "sweeping" and condemn Christianity as a whole, as well as many other authoritarian religions.

The root of much of religious violence on its neigbors has its roots in the age old "us against them" mentality that is found even in other primate and even lower mammalian societies. It's a way of preserving the integrity of a social group against the threat of extinction from outside groups. It's an evolutionary protection mechanism for survival. It is no big surprise that it survives in many modes, shapes and forms in societies today. Religous separatism is just another way for a social group to promote itselt and insure survival. This separatistic trait of groups gives rise to all kinds of conflict and animocities between people. As we have come so far technologically, we have yet to catch up in our social evolution. IOW, we are still behaving a lot like the cavemen we once were.

Cal: It has been sometime since there was activity on this thread. The comment I made to you was in response to a previous post, which does not seem to be with us anymore. I may have misused your name when the particular response belongs to someone else – I do not remember. If you were not the author of the missing post my deepest apologies. Thanks for your kind attempt to straighten it out.

On the topic of Trinitarians vs. the Mormons as far as authoritarian misuse of power I do not think there is that much to compare. Whereas the Mountain Meadows was a single exception of LDS behavior brought about by a minority group of LDS members the several hundreds of years of genocide on three continents by the Trinitarians is hardly the exception of their minority or majority behavior. According to my research it was not until 1823 before any Trinitarian society publicly went on record with a law allowing religious expression by someone belonging to a non-Trinitarian religion. It was not until 1549 before a Trinitarian society allowed by law the practice of another Trinitarian religion other than the one in political power. Generally any decent to Trinitarian authority was dealt with the punishment of death. If I have misrepresented history on this account I hope someone will correct me. I would like to think better of sincere folks that live out their lives with bible scriptures in hand. I believe something went major wrong.

As far as the basic doctrine being preserved in the evolution of the Bible text – I have heard this said but for the life of me I do not know why anyone says such a thing. Perhaps if you or someone else would take the time to show how a specific doctrine has been preserved and remained unconfused during the last 2000 years it would really help me to understand what is meant by the Bible as a means of eliminating the evolution of Christian thought. As I read documents from history I find Christians of every age beginning with the death of Christ locked in struggles to keep doctrines from being overrun by popular doctrines of any particular time influencing the interpretation of scripture. There is a very good bench mark in the Dead Sea Scrolls which indicates how to interpret most of the Doctrines of the New Testament – But to be honest most Christian societies today would rather not make the comparison.

The Traveler

[Guest Starsky]

I believe God works within many different settings for His many children. I believe that the primary purpose of this life is to gain experience. I believe everyone on the planet is where God would have them be...gaining the experience He would have them gain.

Under the plan of God, everyone will be given all they need to obtain the ultimate realm of Glory...whether in this life or the life to come.

I see no conflict in the confirmations of 'truth' be they in one church or another, as long as those truth's bring men to a higher level of 'love' for their fellowmen.

When I asked the Lord specifically where I could find HIS TRUE CHURCH, He told me in no uncertain terms, "My True Church is where there is true and honorable priesthood."

IOW I wasn't told the LDS church, or the Catholic Church, or the RLDS church. I learned from this interchange that 'righteousness' and the 'true church of the Lamb' is a state of being...

Where you can 'become' is where you should be and that is where you will be lead.

'Becoming' is the ultimate purpose of the experiences we have here. It matters not whether 'for one it is here' and 'for another it is there'.

This isn't what your church teaches and you know it. Mormonism teaches that unless you accept the Mormon church unequivocally, you are lost, and cannot inherit the Celestial Kingdom. Let's get real!

What do you mean by lost?

There is a requirement which the church does teach....and that is...everyone must thoroughly understand they are rejecting the gospel. Only God can judge whether those who reject it, really understand what they are rejecting.

There are many kingdoms...

D&C 88: 37

37 And there are many kingdoms; for there is no space in the which there is no kingdom; and there is no kingdom in which there is no space, either a greater or a lesser kingdom.

John 14: 2

2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

YOU>>>>He goes to prepare you a place.

It will be according to your heart's desires, purity, love, selflessness.....etc.

Only God can accept or reject you in the Celestial kingdom. You best address your desires to Him...not men.