Revenge Of The Sith

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Jason@May 31 2005, 09:47 AM

There are also rumors that Lucas is thinking about a new trilogy or film set hundreds of years before Episode 1. The concept would be that the Sith are a larger cult of some sort, and have not yet been defeated by the Jedi.

(their defeat causes them to create the rule that only two Sith may exist at a time...Sideous/Maul, Sideous/Dooku, Sideous/Vader...so they can stay hidden and let only the strongest survive...hence the reason for their "revenge")

Maybe Yoda would be one of the heroes as a young Jedi Knight or Padawan who defeats the Sith? Maybe we would learn Yoda's history? Palpatine's history too...depending how old he is?

I would like to see something about the other "Darth" guy Palpatine told Anakin about. The one who learned to control life. That could be interesting. Did Yoda kill him?

There were quite a few asides in this movie that could be mis-construed as lead-ins to yet another movie. Not necessarily another between episodes 3 and 4, but maybe an episode 3a.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Jason@May 31 2005, 09:47 AM

I would like to see something about the other "Darth" guy Palpatine told Anakin about. The one who learned to control life. That could be interesting. Did Yoda kill him?

I would like to see that too. It would be interesting if Darth Plagueis had been Palpatine's master and then Yoda (or even Palpatine) killed him. Also, according to the books and comics, there is a "Darth Bane" who was the one who started the rule of there being only two Sith at a time, in reaction to a Jedi-Sith war...if I remember correctly. It could all make a great story.

Did anyone ever play the video game "Knights of the Old Republic"? It was set over 1000 years before Episode 1...for a video game it had an awesome story line. Even a great plot twist comparable to "Luke, I am your father". If you like computer role playing games, I recommend that one, just for the Star Wars experience. That is how I imagine a new prequel movie would be like.

[Setheus]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+May 31 2005, 01:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ May 31 2005, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jason@May 31 2005, 09:47 AM

I would like to see something about the other "Darth" guy Palpatine told Anakin about.  The one who learned to control life. That could be interesting.  Did Yoda kill him?

I would like to see that too. It would be interesting if Darth Plagueis had been Palpatine's master and then Yoda (or even Palpatine) killed him. Also, according to the books and comics, there is a "Darth Bane" who was the one who started the rule of there being only two Sith at a time, in reaction to a Jedi-Sith war...if I remember correctly. It could all make a great story.

Did anyone ever play the video game "Knights of the Old Republic"? It was set over 1000 years before Episode 1...for a video game it had an awesome story line. Even a great plot twist comparable to "Luke, I am your father". If you like computer role playing games, I recommend that one, just for the Star Wars experience. That is how I imagine a new prequel movie would be like.

Palpatine is the one who killed Plageus. If you pay attention to the scene in which Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plageus' ability to control the force in a way to preserve life you can pick up on the subtel body language and tones. When Palpatine explains that Plagues taught his apprintice how to preserve life then was killed by that apprintice. You have to recognize that Palpatine never tech. lies in the move. After all there are degrees of truth, ie when Palpatine tells Vader that "he killed padamine in his anger" , we all know that she died in child birth BUT she actually died of a broken heart (thanks to Anikin/Vadar choosing the dark side of the force) and the delivery was just more than she could bare in her heart broken condition....SO, Palpatine "lied by telling the truth" if that makes any sence.

[huma17]

Originally posted by Jason@May 29 2005, 09:15 AM

I wasn't refering to your age, rather the maturity level of your writing.

Tell me then, English professor, what is the standard level of writing for those on a message board responding in a thread about 'Star Wars'?

[Jason]

Tell me then, English professor, what is the standard level of writing for those on a message board responding in a thread about 'Star Wars'?

Get lost.

[Franken]

What I would've liked to see at the end of the movie was how exactly Obi wan was going to communicate with Qui gon jin. That totally threw me off guard when yoda talked about that, but I still don't see the connection between that and episode 4

[Jason]

What I would've liked to see at the end of the movie was how exactly Obi wan was going to communicate with Qui gon jin. That totally threw me off guard when yoda talked about that, but I still don't see the connection between that and episode 4

My guess would be that Obi Wan was going to learn from Qui Gon Jinn that Luke was to be trained as a Jedi. Since there was no Council anymore, he got his instructions from the great beyond.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Setheus@May 31 2005, 01:36 PM

Palpatine is the one who killed Plageus. If you pay attention to the scene in which Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plageus' ability to control the force in a way to preserve life you can pick up on the subtel body language and tones. When Palpatine explains that Plagues taught his apprintice how to preserve life then was killed by that apprintice.

I forgot that Palpatine mentioned that Plagueis was killed by his apprentice. He did say that, right? Because I remember thinking that Palpatine must have been Plagueis' aprentice, and therefore it must have been Palpatine who killed him. So in that case, Yoda couldn't have killed him...but he could have fought against them!

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Jason@May 31 2005, 05:21 PM

What I would've liked to see at the end of the movie was how exactly Obi wan was going to communicate with Qui gon jin. That totally threw me off guard when yoda talked about that, but I still don't see the connection between that and episode 4

My guess would be that Obi Wan was going to learn from Qui Gon Jinn that Luke was to be trained as a Jedi. Since there was no Council anymore, he got his instructions from the great beyond.

Actually, I believe this was actually intended to be a scene explaining the "force ghosts". Lucas said that the "force ghosts" would be explained in Episode 3.

See, if you visit a Star Wars message board, you will see endless debates about why some jedi become ghosts, and why some disappear when they die and others don't.

For those who don't remember, Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda appear to Luke as ghosts at the end of the entire series.

One theory was that if a jedi disappears when he dies, then he was meditating or something at the time of his death, allowing him to become immortal (as a ghost). For example, Obi Wan and Yoda both vanish when they die. On the other hand, Qui Gon never vanished.

So what is going on? I think Lucas tried his best to explain it in Episode 3...Yoda says that Qui Gon has discovered the secret of immortality (becoming a ghost), and Qui Gon's ghost will instruct Obi Wan how to do this on Tatooine (and I assume he would also share this secret with Yoda on Dagobah).

Why Qui Gon? Because he was the rebellious Jedi Master of the group...his philosophy of the "Living Force" was in conflict with the official Jedi teachings...though I don't quite understand how...I bet I could look it up...

So anyway, it is Qui Gon's unorthodox teachings that lead him to learn the secret of immortality, which his ghost then shares with Obi Wan and Yoda.

(Ironic, because Anakin was basically trying to find the secret of immortality through the dark side to save Padme)

So how does Anakin eventually become a ghost in Return of the Jedi? The popular theory is that after Vader dies, Yoda, Obi Wan and Qui Gon "help" Anakin to keep his identity within the Force, thus joining them as "force ghosts". But he appears to Luke as the young Anakin, because, as far as Obi Wan and Yoda are concerned, Anakin died in his youth when he became Vader. So they immortalize him in his young form...his "true" identity. That is supposed to explain why...in the newest DVDs...Anakin's ghost appears as Hayden Christiansen, while Obi Wan and Yoda's ghosts appear in their old forms.

None of this explains why Qui Gon's body didn't vanish when he died...so there is still more room for speculation.

As for training Luke...I guess it was necessary for Obi Wan to learn this secret, because it was his ghost that told Luke to seek out Yoda. So Jason's theory is partly correct.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Setheus@May 31 2005, 01:36 PM

After all there are degrees of truth, ie when Palpatine tells Vader that "he killed padamine in his anger" , we all know that she died in child birth BUT she actually died of a broken heart (thanks to Anikin/Vadar choosing the dark side of the force) and the delivery was just more than she could bare in her heart broken condition....SO, Palpatine "lied by telling the truth" if that makes any sence.

Not that you want to hear my opinion, but I kind of looked at it from another perspective...... When Anikin grabbed Padme by the throat/neck area; I remembered Darth Vadar knocking people out or semi killing them by what I would call "sucking the lifeforce" out of them. That was what I saw happening to Padme, she was having the life sucked out of her by a power she had no control over. That and with what the doctor said when she was having the babies....I can't quote it...but something along the lines of - "we can't explain what is happening". I think it went beyond a broken heart and any complications in child birth. She was Padme' a stronger woman than most around at that time. Not a lot would keep her down. I think that Palpatine told the truth when he told Vadar that he had killed her.

[Setheus]

Originally posted by lindy9556+Jun 1 2005, 02:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Jun 1 2005, 02:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Setheus@May 31 2005, 01:36 PM

After all there are degrees of truth, ie when Palpatine tells Vader that  "he killed padamine in his anger" ,  we all know that she died in child birth BUT she actually died of a broken heart (thanks to Anikin/Vadar choosing the dark side of the force) and the delivery was just more than she could bare in her heart broken condition....SO, Palpatine "lied by telling the truth" if that makes any sence.

Not that you want to hear my opinion, but I kind of looked at it from another perspective...... When Anikin grabbed Padme by the throat/neck area; I remembered Darth Vadar knocking people out or semi killing them by what I would call "sucking the lifeforce" out of them. That was what I saw happening to Padme, she was having the life sucked out of her by a power she had no control over. That and with what the doctor said when she was having the babies....I can't quote it...but something along the lines of - "we can't explain what is happening". I think it went beyond a broken heart and any complications in child birth. She was Padme' a stronger woman than most around at that time. Not a lot would keep her down. I think that Palpatine told the truth when he told Vadar that he had killed her.

I see your point. And it makes sence. However, never underestimate the destructive power of a shattered heart.

After all Anikin's journey to the dark side of the force began with the loss of his mother.

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by Setheus+Jun 1 2005, 03:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Setheus @ Jun 1 2005, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -lindy9556@Jun 1 2005, 02:27 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Setheus@May 31 2005, 01:36 PM

After all there are degrees of truth, ie when Palpatine tells Vader that  "he killed padamine in his anger" ,  we all know that she died in child birth BUT she actually died of a broken heart (thanks to Anikin/Vadar choosing the dark side of the force) and the delivery was just more than she could bare in her heart broken condition....SO, Palpatine "lied by telling the truth" if that makes any sence.

Not that you want to hear my opinion, but I kind of looked at it from another perspective...... When Anikin grabbed Padme by the throat/neck area; I remembered Darth Vadar knocking people out or semi killing them by what I would call "sucking the lifeforce" out of them. That was what I saw happening to Padme, she was having the life sucked out of her by a power she had no control over. That and with what the doctor said when she was having the babies....I can't quote it...but something along the lines of - "we can't explain what is happening". I think it went beyond a broken heart and any complications in child birth. She was Padme' a stronger woman than most around at that time. Not a lot would keep her down. I think that Palpatine told the truth when he told Vadar that he had killed her.

I see your point. And it makes sence. However, never underestimate the destructive power of a shattered heart.

After all Anikin's journey to the dark side of the force began with the loss of his mother.

I think it is left open to interpretation, because both scenarios have important implications.

If she died because she lost the will to live, then Anakin/Vader technically did not kill her. This scenario is significant because the Emperor lies to Vader, showing us how manipulative Palpatine is in turning Anakin/Vader more and more towards darkness...which shows us how evil can seduce us slowly, a little bit at a time, and often through lies and misunderstanding. From a Christian point of view, it is a parallel to the way Satan works.

On the other hand, if Vader really killed Padme by the power of the Force, then it gives the movie a sense of tragic irony. He turned to the dark side to help her cheat death, but by turning to the dark side, his anger became so strong it caused him to kill her. And therefore, he fulfills his own prophecy that she will die.

Both scenarios are equally meaningful and powerful, in my opinion...so it should be left open to interpretation.

[Lindy]

ohhhh TS....very good...I loved your last post..... your interpretation of both scenarios blows me away....

and Setheus....I remember and know too well the destructive power of a shattered heart.... and where it can take you.

Please explain "Anikin's journey to the dark side of the force began with the loss of his mother"....maybe I forgot something important in that movie..... could you refresh my memory?

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Originally posted by lindy9556@Jun 1 2005, 05:27 PM

Please explain "Anikin's journey to the dark side of the force began with the loss of his mother"....maybe I forgot something important in that movie..... could you refresh my memory?

Setheus is right...

His mother dies, just as he is about to rescue her from the "Sand People". So he slaughters the entire tribe...men, women and children. It was his first evil action.

[Lindy]

Thanks for the reminder TS... it's been awhile since I saw that episode, and forgot the importance of what had happened before.

[huma17]

Originally posted by Jason@May 31 2005, 05:21 PM

Get lost.

Sad, sad, sad.

Tell me, was this the maturity level you were refering to?

Truly, what a pathetic and childish response...

[Jason]

Tell me, was this the maturity level you were refering to?

Truly, what a pathetic and childish response...

Actually this is the maturity level I was referring to:

It appears as if he couldn't be satisfied with ANYTHING!

Since you're so capable of making sweeping judgment calls based on my personal opinion of a theatrical picture, I asssume that you're either a bad mind reader, or a poor judge of character.

[Setheus]

Originally posted by Jason@Jun 3 2005, 12:42 PM

Tell me, was this the maturity level you were refering to?

Truly, what a pathetic and childish response...

Actually this is the maturity level I was referring to:

It appears as if he couldn't be satisfied with ANYTHING!

Since you're so capable of making sweeping judgment calls based on my personal opinion of a theatrical picture, I asssume that you're either a bad mind reader, or a poor judge of character.

I never was good at reading minds but I am a very well developed "Parifialvisionist". I can see into the future but just way off to the side.

[Jason]

I never was good at reading minds but I am a very well developed "Parifialvisionist". I can see into the future but just way off to the side.

[huma17]

Originally posted by Jason@Jun 3 2005, 01:42 PM

It appears as if he couldn't be satisfied with ANYTHING!

Since you're so capable of making sweeping judgment calls based on my personal opinion of a theatrical picture, I asssume that you're either a bad mind reader, or a poor judge of character.

Perhaps you missed the part of the post you quoted of mine, which reads: 'It appears...".

To me, at least, I find someone who is so critical of an entertainment piece (that everyone I know, myself included, thought was well done), that perhaps it takes alot for them to be satisfied.