Alternatives To Flu Shots

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Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 14 2005, 08:44 PM

I'm also very skeptical of all these herbal and alternative remedies.  There is a reason why our life expectancy keeps increasing, and it ain't because people put peroxide in their ears!  It's because of doctors and new technologies for screening, medications, etc.  This Mercola wacko says that you don't have to ever go to the doctor.  Ari, you said you don't take issue with anything he's said - is that true of even this statement?  I wonder how many women have failed to catch their breast cancer in a timely fashion because of this idiot?

Remember when everyone was taking St. John's Wort for depression and anxiety?  Everyone thought it was not harmful since it was a 'natural herb'.  Then people started dying in surgery because of the interactions experienced when mixed with anesthesia.

Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's benign.  Most prescription drugs are derived from natural materials.

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I think one of the reasons I used the natural or herbal things is because it gives me control of what I take and don't take... and I like control because more often than not... the doctors have screwed up...for my family...

May little 18 month old daughter almost died from pnuemonia because the doctor prescribed too high a dose of anti-seisure medication... slowed her system down so far she almost stopped breathing... at night... then she gets a cold...

that wasn't the first or last... of my doctors mistakes...

One of my worst experiences was when my doctor misdiagnoised my pregnancy as a molor pregnancy when he couldn't get a heartbeat... he tried to do an abortion on without any permission or knowledge of what he was really doing... all he told me was that he didn't think there was a baby in my womb and then... when I said I had been feeling little kicks... he told me it was prpbably gas... but he just wanted to check my pelvic opening to see if it was wide enough for if and whenever I was to deliver...... what he did was rip my bag of waters and cause the baby to die... at 5 months...

When I didn't automatically abort...he then did a sonagram... something he should have recommended first... and found a dead baby...

He freaked ... and refused to take care of me any longer... I had to go to my mother's old doctor... who, when removing the dead fetus which I ended up carrying for two months... found what he called blantant butchery... he said he had never seen anything like it before...

It took 10 hours of the pit to deliver a dead baby... not a fun experience...

I could write a nother book... actually am... entailing the many times my life and the life of my childrenwere endangered because of the ineptitude of the doctors.

[Guest Ari 2]

Oh my gosh, that's so awful...I'm very sorry that happened to you, Please. I have my share of horror stories too, but none as sad as what you experienced. I recently got a copy of an article from my chiropractor about the high percentage of deaths in hospitals due to negligence...it's unbelievable.

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Originally posted by Ari@Nov 14 2005, 09:08 PM

Oh my gosh, that's so awful...I'm very sorry that happened to you, Please. I have  my share of horror stories too, but none as sad as what you experienced. I recently got a copy of an article from my chiropractor about the high percentage of deaths in hospitals due to negligence...it's unbelievable.

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My brother was an RN before he became a MD... he said that every day nurses were saving lives that doctors almost took... by negligence... he also said he couldn't save all of them...

From my experiences... I totally know he was right...

[Snow]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 14 2005, 06:44 PM

I'm also very skeptical of all these herbal and alternative remedies.

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As well you should be. Real medicine is highly scientific - double-blind, peer reviewed studies, validated and proved.

Most herbal therapies and homeopathy are not scientifically studied and only refer to antedoctal evidence which is about the worst evidence you can find. It can best be explained by making an analogy to the stock market. In IPOs (initial public offerings) the type of stock that does the best is a kind of blind offering - the company selling the stock doesn't have a assets or customers or even a firm business plan. They say they are raising money for, for, uh, for something super cool that we'll all get rich on. This was a big part of what was happening before the internet bubble burst.

People see a mystery and they go nuts bidding up the price. If the company actually said what they were going to do with the money, then it wouldn't be a mystery and people wouldn't want it as bad.

That's the way with it is with many of these alternative therapy. Since the scientific evidence is missing, or of poor quality.... then it's real efficacy is a mystery. The unsophisticated consumer laps it up like a hungry kitty laps up cream.

That's not to say that all alternative therapies are bogus. Some have promising scientific backing... and to be fair, it is expensive to jump through the FDA hoops and do all the testing on a generic herb that won't pay off in big profits... but most of this stuff appeals to the ill-educated buyer

[Guest Ari 2]

Originally posted by Please@Nov 14 2005, 08:35 PM

My brother was an RN before he became a MD... he said that every day nurses were saving lives that doctors almost took... by negligence...  he also said he couldn't save all of them...

From my experiences... I totally know he was right...

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When I was hospitalized, I had excellent nurses. One even asked me why I was getting my gall bladder out if nothing was wrong with it...I told her because my dr said there was something wrong with it (even tho the tests revealed nothing wrong) and it needed to come out. After my nurse got me to thinking it thru (on Demoral, no less lol), I canceled my surgery, fired my dr, and demanded to go home.

[Guest Ari 2]

Originally posted by Snow@Nov 14 2005, 08:39 PM

That's the way with it is with many  of these alternative therapy. Since the scientific evidence is missing, or of poor quality.... then it's real efficacy is a mystery. The unsophisticated consumer laps it up like a hungry kitty laps up cream.

That's not to say that all alternative therapies are bogus. Some have promising scientific backing... and to be fair, it is expensive to jump through the FDA hoops and do all the testing on a generic herb that won't pay off in big profits... but most of this stuff appeals to the ill-educated buyer

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I'm neither unsophisticated nor ill-educated. Homeopathic and naturopathic drs are educated and credentialed. And the remedies I've tried, worked.

[Snow]

Well there you go then - proof positive.

I point out the deficiency of antedoctal evidence and so what do you give us?

[Guest bizabra]

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

Please go to this web page and read up on homeopathy, and then try to explain to me how these "concoctions" can be any more "active" than the water out of my tap or the water in the ocean, eh? The dilutions of these "preparations" are preposterous!

You people are sillies! One shouldn't be so open-minded that your brains fall out!

However, to quote Ari: You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It sounds like your mind is made up on this issue, so whatever I say really won't matter.

[Guest Ari 2]

Well there you go then - proof positive.

I point out the deficiency of antedoctal evidence and so what do you give us?

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Is that the best thing you can think up to say? Weak...very weak.

[Guest Ari 2]

Originally posted by bizabra@Nov 15 2005, 07:42 PM

You people are sillies!    One shouldn't be so open-minded that your brains fall out!

However, to quote Ari: You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It sounds like your mind is made up on this issue, so whatever I say really won't matter.

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More labeling...

Quote this: You're certainly not entitled to label, criticize, and judge others.

[Snow]

That's right Biz,

A standard homeopathic remedy consists of taking the ingredient, something like arnica, and then diluting it 1 to 10 (one part ingredient to 10 parts water) then taking that mixture and diluting it again 1 to 10, repeated 20 to 40 times until it has been reduced by 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times.

The resulting concoction does not contain a single molecule of the original ingredient, and absolutely nothing active can be measured by any means.

... and proponents complain about the inefficacy of scientifically proved medicine while favoring tap water .

Most of it is a crock and many of it's adherents are quacks and dupes... but not all. There is some scientific evidence to some of it.

[TXRed]

Originally posted by john doe@Nov 14 2005, 12:58 AM

I'm sorry, but as a son of a sometime user of herbs and home remedies, I think that much of that movement is a bunch of hokum.

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Hmmmmmmmmm. Are you sure you are not one of my children in disguise?

You definitely sound like them which is okay. I did what I felt was best for them as they were growing up. As grownups, they get to choose for themselves what they want to do. They did survive their growing up years, and they are healthy people; so I guess I didn't do too badly. :)

I do understand the skepticism though. Believe me, I was extremely skeptical when I was first introduced to homeopathy. However, one of the homeopaths that treated my daughter was an MD who practiced homeopathy exclusively. I've met quite a few "scientific" minds who practice homeopathy.

My personal thinking is that we should use whatever works for us. I will use a combination of various things. I do not believe that the medical profession or the scientific community has all the answers.

In fact, things come up quite often that lets us know they don't. How about the thalidamide babies of years ago? (I'm sure I spelled that wrong, but hopefully, you got the idea) Those drugs were given to pregnant women by their OB/GYN's.. . . . . . supposedly perfectly safe.

I met a lady in Arizona when I spent a month at the Ronald McDonald House there whose son had been in and out of hospitals for a couple of years . . . . coming near death each time. No one could figure out what the child's problem was. They finally concluded that he had gotten a "bad" batch of immunizations.

And, before people start flaming me on this one, let me tell you what a couple of doctors have told me about that.

Back in 1978, when my third child was born, I just had a real problem with the idea of getting her immunizations. It was just one of those "feelings" that I couldn't seem to shake. (my older two had all their immunizations) Everyone harassed me about my decision to delay her immunizations; so I finally called the pediatrician and talked to her about my feelings. She said, "There have been a couple of bad batches of immunizations that have been out this past year, but we have not had any deaths in our hospital from it." (that sure was not real reassuring to me)

Around 1998, when my three youngest children decided to enter public school, the children opted to have immunizations rather than have me "hassle" the school district. (mind you, they were all teenagers at the time) I was still reluctant about the immunizations; so I talked to the local doctor about it. He told me, "Most of them are fairly safe although I did get hold of a bad batch when I entered college that made me really sick."

I went ahead and let the children get the immunizations although I insisted that they could only get ONE shot at a time; so it took a couple of weeks to complete the process. The doctor I originally talked to about it was good with that, but his partner kept trying to insist that I just give them all to them at the same time. (humorous thing was that the youngest child begged me to go hassle the school after all . . . . . . . . . . .once she had been given that first shot)

I found the next piece of info unbelievable. I just could not imagine that it could possibly be true. . . . . . . . .From the information that I have gathered from various sources, the "regulations" on the making of the immunizations is not standardized, and some batches wind up being more potent than others while some wind up being weaker than others. . . . . . . . . . . I had a really hard time believing this idea, because I thought our government protected us on that type of thing. Well, as I get older and see more and experience more, I am realizing that there are a lot of things that are "government sanctioned" and yet they are not safe.

Anyway, I am a firm believer in your right to believe what you want and to decide for yourself how you want to treat yourself medically. MD, DO, Homeopath, Naturopath, etc., etc., etc. I do NOT have the right to hassle you about your choice of care. I also believe that I have the right to make decisions for myself and my family.

As I have stated before, I believe in PRAYER, PRAYER, PRAYER. I find out all I can about a given situation, I ponder the situation, I come up with what I believe I should do, and then, I take it to the Lord to find out if I my thoughts are what HE would have me do. I'm not infallible, and yes, sometimes, I want something a certain way so badly that I have "not listened" to the promptings of the spirit. Usually, when I do that though, I find out real fast that I was not listening and made the wrong choice. It's something that I have to constantly work on to be sure that I do HIS will.

Before you blast me on my faith, please remember that you are not sitting face to face with me. . . . . you can not see my sincerity. . . . . . and I can not see your face to see if I need to clarify myself a little better. There is only so much that can be explained this way. I can not explain all of the years, prayers, and experiences that have gotten me to the point that I am today where I have confidence in being able to talk to God about things. And, even after all these years, I know that there are times that I just can not get the answers. . . . . . . . . because it is not the right time or I am not asking the right questions. I've learned that I have to get really really specific if I want to get specific answers. And, once I feel that I have an answer, I go back to HIM and confirm that the answer I felt I got was the right one. The process has worked for me when I work at it.

You do YOUR thing, you believe what YOU want to, and I will do MY thing and believe what I want to.

Another poster said, "I'm very interested in your story Txred. I would advise anyone to consult a qualified Homeopathic or Herbalist practitioner before just treating themselves and their families/pets tho, just to be on the safe side.

Btw, did you consider having your kitten checked out by a vet after giving it the first dose of Arnica? I would have thought a broken back would have required some sort of surgery or splint to be applied to aid in its healing? perhaps your kitten would have healed more quickly and less painfully, thus reducing the amount of Arnica you had to use?"

My response:

I agree that I would advise anyone to consult a qualified Homeopath before treating themselves or anyone/thing. However, what I have learned is that a low dose given ONE time will do no harm even if it is the wrong remedy. However, I was familiar with the use of Arnica at that particular time and it was safe for me to give to the kitten.

To be honest, I did not take the kitten to the vet either before or after because, frankly, I did not have any money for that. Others would have opted to "just put it out of its misery", (the way it looked at the time of the accident, it was obviously not going to live) but I chose to try to do something about it. After the initial dose of Arnica, I consulted an experienced homeopath about it. She got all excited when I told her what was going on, because in her studying, she had just come across information saying that Arnica was helpful in broken backs and other back injuries. She was excited, because this was the first case she had personal knowledge of.

I had a goat that had kidding problems, and when we found her that next morning, she could not get up at all. At that time, we were able to call out a vet. The vet came out and opened the goats mouth to look at her teeth. His first and only comment, "This goat is sooo old, she should be put down." I thanked him for coming and treated her myself after that. I treated her with apple cider vinegar, b complex shots, antibiotics, homeopathy, and anything else I could.

Would it have been more humane to have gone with the "learned" doctor's suggestion?

If the goat could talk, I don't think she would have thought so. She went on to have another baby or two for me, and then, I gave her to another family who raised several more kids from her.

Snow, how homeopathy works is totally mystifying. It makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever to me. I've used it enough though and seen it work enough to know that there is something to it. I'm not a backwoods uneducated hick, and I'm not a genius either. I am still skeptical about a lot of things, but I also am beginning to realize that there is a lot of stuff that we humans just don't know; so I'm a little more open minded than I use to be.

I am use to hearing homeopathy referred to the way you did, and that's okay with me. . . . . . you have your right to your opinion. However, please allow me the same privilege. Let me choose for myself what I will and will not believe.

And Biz, I don't think I am quite THAT open minded, (to have my brains fall out) but on the other side of the coin, don't be so CLOSE minded that you never learn anything new. Now, that's silly!

Peace,

TXRed

[shanstress70]

Please, I am sorry to hear of your experiences! That's horrible!

However, all I can say is try to find a good doctor. Of course there are some bad doctors out there. There are also great doctors who will make mistakes. No one is perfect. I've had doctors make mistakes that have affected me as well, but I have already been dead a couple of times if it weren't for doctors. And my mom's breast cancer was caught VERY early - she has only had to have lumpectomy and radiation therapy - so far so good! If she hadn't been going in for routine mammograms, who knows? I hate to imagine what "DR" Mercola would have suggested she do. I'm sure he thinks radiation is evil too!

Everyone here should think of how many times they would have died if they didn't seek professional medical care. Even such things as pneumonia (bacterial) killed people in the not so distant past. Now all you have to do is pop a couple of pills and you're cured! Kidney dialysis, diabetes medication, blood pressure medication, advances in premature babies, etc. etc. etc. These are all things that save lives every day. It was very common to die of these things before the treatments were first used.

And we don't even have to deal with so many diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines... yes those evil vaccines that they try to kill your children with! Yes, I know that problems have been caused by vaccines, and they will continue to cause problems. But these problems are rare, and the good that they do and continue to do far outweighs the risks. Know anyone who has polio?

[Guest Ari 2]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 16 2005, 11:38 AM

I hate to imagine what "DR" Mercola would have suggested she do.  I'm sure he thinks radiation is evil too!

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You seem to be stuck in criticizing Dr. Mercola mode. And yes, he is credentialed. I follow much of his advice and am all the healthier for it. Medical doctors have their place...they can mend broken bones, stitch up wounds, etc. But we can do alot for ourselves to prevent illness, such as: exercising, taking supplements, avoiding sugar, additives, preservatives, and processed foods, eating a well balanced diet, and seeking to live life in a stress-free, unpolluted environment.

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TXRed,

I loved your post. I believe we all have our own life's experiences... and guidance....and some have more faith and thanksgiving for herbs and homeopathy than others... LOL

Shanstress,

I appreciate your comments. It is true there are good and bad in both categories... doctors and homeopathy... but I believe both have their place and neither can nor should take away from the other...

I have tried to do the best possible for my kids... When my son had brain damage from a skate park accident... I took him to the ER... and was sent up to the UVmed center while he was flown there...

The surgeon who performed the surgery was one of the best in the country or out of it... I knew I was where I was supposed to be for this particular medical need...

But... while I was there... they discovered something we already have known for over 15 years... my son's heart has a huge hole in it... and his blood courses through his body the opposite direction than everyone elses.

If this had been detected... when my son was a newborn... he would have been put through multiple surgeries to close the hole and try and get the blood going the opposite direction... and would also be dead by now...

The Spirit told me to keep this information to myself... when it was discovered while he was being examined at an ER for what we thought was pneumonia...at age 4 1/2 and the doctor at Primary Childrens Hospital.

The doctor at this time told us that they would have to take a tube and put it up through his leg and reroute the blood... close the hole...etc...

I asked what the chances of survival would be and he told me... 20%... that there was an 80% chance he would die...

We watched two of our close friends... one who lived in Arizona and one who lived in Utah... different doctors... different hospitals... .. die from this exact condition... after having several surgeries when they were new born...

The Spirit whispered that if we made the thursday appointment as we were being extemely pressed to do... I would be making funeral plans that same day..

I didn't do it... I was told by the doctor that if we didn't do anything... that my son would die anyway... before his twelth birthday... and that he would be extremely weak all of those few dwindling years between now and then...

I still decided to follow the Spirit... I gave my son homeopathic care... he became so strong... that he, at the age of 16 was doing wild bike tricks over in the skating park for at least an hour a day...

That is how he became brain injured... and ended up in the hospital having brain surgery... LOLA

Anyway... back to where the doctors at the UVMED discovered my son's heart condidtion... they started hassling me right after my son came through the brain surgery ... They had just told me he had come through the surgery better than even 1% ever did... he woke from the anastasia with full capasities intacted...

So... now they wanted... for the sake of convience... to examine his heart and suggest surgery....

I said no... so they went and got the Social worker to tell me that I would lose custody of my son if I didn't allow them this...

They tested him for strength and health and were stunned to find he didn't need to be on oxygen... that his body kept up sufficient because of his great health... they found him to be stronger than most the doctors and nurses who tested his arm strength and grip...

All of this... his color was good... yet they wanted to fix what was not broken... it was just different...

Well with the threat I let them test his heart... they used a sonagram... the tech pushed so hard on his heart to get these pictures and recordings... that my son began to bleed again in his brain from the stress... because... remember he was just 5 hours out of surgery on his brain when they did this...

So less than two hours after they did these tests that I found unnecessary and after I begged them to at least wait a couple of weeks for him to fully recover... he was back into surgery removing a second hematoma... from the other side of his brain...

Again he comes out of this surgery in perfect condition...mentally and physically...

the test on his heart showed that the one side of his heart had taken over for the other side... so that the right side of his heart was stronger than some of our left sides are...

Anyway... they still wanted to do heart surgery on him.... so what did they do?? they gave him a bag of platletts... you know the stuff that cloggs arteries? Then they gave him a high colesteral diet... big chocolate cake... bacon... eggs... the works..

Then... last of all.. they gave him salt tablets... each time I brought up the danger to his heart... they were trying to cause a crisis of his heart so they could ligitamate surgery..

Well when they brought in the bag of platelets... I asked them why... no reason except the doctors orders... What doctor?... there were 5 all together... plus the surgeon... Then when I noticed the menu....and it stated boldly... HIGH COLESTERAL DIET... I asked them what that was all about.... Doctor's orders... I said... if they didn't change it... I was taking my son elsewhere...

Then when they thought I wasn't looking they brought in some pills... I asked them what they were... they said that my son had lost so much blood... that he needed salt... they were salt tablets... well that didn't sound right... so I gave my son a look... one he knew well... and he kept the pills under his tongue until the nurse left... and then acted like he was rubbing his nose and took them out of his mouth... hid them in his bed until they took him to the bathroom and dropped them in the toilet... you have to remember these ICU rooms are on video....

This time... they left him alone... to a point... I prayed for him...never left his room...

Anyway... we got rid of the pills every time they brought them in for the next few days... and because of his miraculously swift recover... only took 6 days after two brain surgeries... to have him home with us again... safe...

I know doctors are good... when they are not getting all out of their orb with power and always being right... but there are times... we have to take matters into our own hands...

[TXRed]

Originally posted by shanstress70@Nov 16 2005, 01:38 PM

And we don't even have to deal with so many diseases that have been eradicated by vaccines... yes those evil vaccines that they try to kill your children with!  Yes, I know that problems have been caused by vaccines, and they will continue to cause problems.  But these problems are rare, and the good that they do and continue to do far outweighs the risks.  Know anyone who has polio?

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You are absolutely right! There is good in vaccines.

My thinking is though that since I know of some of the problems, I would like to see them regulated better.

The thing is that we need to know all of the risks before we make the decision about taking immunizations or anything else. I got tickled at the doctors office when I was with my daughter for her children's shots. They come in and give the shot, make her sign some papers, and THEN, they give her the information on the possible problems with it and the list of things that would indicate why you should not take it. A little late at that point.

I, personally, want to make the decision about what I take. I like a doctor that talks to me and tells me the pros and cons and his recommendation, but then, still treats me as though I'm intelligent enough to decide what I want to do.

Please, I, too, am really sorry about your experience. Just reading it made me start crying. I just can't imagine having to deal with such a thing.

shanstress70 is right about the fact that there are some good and some bad doctors out there, but it is devastating when you find yourself dealing with one that really is bad.

My idea of bad is the ones I feel have the "God-Doctor" syndrome. Their attitude is that they are "all knowing" and "above" the average man. Once you get involved with them, you no longer have any say so about your own care. . . . . they make all the decisions, because they know best and they can determine which risks are appropriate to be taken for you. If I'm going to take a medication, I want to know what it is, what it is suppose to do for me, and what possible side affects it might have. I want to know what things would contradict its use, because the doctor may not know or remember some of the items I have problems with or that are in my family history.

To me, a good doctor is one who talks to me as though I have, at least, half a brain (as opposed to none). :) To me, a good doctor acts like he cares what is going on with me and isn't just trying to run as many "cattle" through his office as he possibly can in one day. A good doctor "works" with me to make decisions about my health care. He doesn't just pat me on the leg and tell me not to worry, because he will take care of everything and then, never tells me anything else.

Sometimes, good doctors are really hard to find, but I guarantee, it's really easy to find a bad one.

I also feel this same way about alternative health care people. There are good ones out there, and there are bad ones out there. Too bad they don't all come with a label letting us know which are the good doctors and which are the good alternative health care people. There is not any one sure fired way to be able to tell the difference until you spend a little time with them either.

I'm not anti doctor or anti alternative. I'm anti anyone or anything that tries to take away MY personal free agency in any aspect of my life. Picky old woman, ain't I?

Peace,

TXRed

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TXRed, I posted just before you on this last post.. I do agree with Shanstress... but there are some things... and times...when we have to ...like you say... think for ourselves..

I so agree with you on the situation where we get the information about our treatment AFTER we have received it... when we need to get it before we take the treatment...

[TXRed]

Originally posted by Please@Nov 16 2005, 03:56 PM

I know doctors are good... when they are not getting all out of their orb with power and always being right... but there are times... we have to take matters into our own hands...

This time... they left him alone... I prayed for him...never left his room...

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WOW!!! Thank you for sharing that. I had started my last post before yours was up, but I wound up being away from the computer awhile before finishing mine; so I had not read yours. If I had, I might not have posted, because you made my whole point in a much more dramatic way than I ever could.

I just love happy endings.

My girlfriend had a baby extremely prematurely that was no bigger than the doctors hand when she was born. They took her c-section, because my friend insisted. She was losing the baby, and the doctors told her that the baby would not survive and that a c-section was surgery that she did not need. My friend told them that if there was even the slightest chance that the baby could live, she wanted them to take it. They did, but continued to say that the child couldn't possibly live long. I think she just turned 13 yesterday. She has some problems particularly with her eyesight, but she's a great kid! Very loving and a real blessing to everyone.

Peace,

TXRed

[TXRed]

Please, I think we're playing tag here.

TXRed

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Originally posted by TXRed@Nov 16 2005, 04:15 PM

   

Please, I think we're playing tag here. 

TXRed

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[pushka]

TXRed, thanks for answering my enquiry about your kitten. I wasn't doubting your first use of arnica, and am pleased to hear that it was effective, I only wondered about its continued use in the healing process for your kitten's back, and wondered if some sort of splint would have normally been used to assist in the healing. I understand your problem regarding the cost of vets services, and fully agree that you did the right thing regarding your goat, and am pleased to hear she had such a happy outcome to her problems.

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"I agree that I would advise anyone to consult a qualified Homeopath before treating themselves or anyone/thing. However, what I have learned is that a low dose given ONE time will do no harm even if it is the wrong remedy. However, I was familiar with the use of Arnica at that particular time and it was safe for me to give to the kitten."

Um, the dose is so "low" that it's "active" ingredient is diluted into non-existence! O course it can do no harm! Did you even read that article?

Obviously, one must always take care of oneself by eating right and getting exercise and many home remedies are efficacious, I myself have my favorite "pet" remedies that make me feel better, mainly, in my opinion, because I WANT them to.

I am most definitely not close minded, but I prefer to choose the simplest and most logical answer, option, or solution to anything, or the one more carefully studied so I can read the findings and judge for myself. I don't just take someones word for it, or be overly impressed with credentials, testimonials, or followers/believers, thanks.

And we all need to remember that doctors are humans, too. They are making the best guess they can, most times. They have good days and bad days, some are more cautious than others, they hold strong opinions, they make mistakes. Sometimes it doesn't and won't matter what the doctor does, people die anyway or heal all on their own. Medicine is not an exact art or science. It's barely past it's infancy, but humans have learned an awful lot about how to fix what ails us.

[TXRed]

Originally posted by bizabra@Nov 16 2005, 09:42 PM

"I agree that I would advise anyone to consult a qualified Homeopath before treating themselves or anyone/thing. However, what I have learned is that a low dose given ONE time will do no harm even if it is the wrong remedy. However, I was familiar with the use of Arnica at that particular time and it was safe for me to give to the kitten."

Um, the dose is so "low" that it's "active" ingredient is diluted into non-existence!  O course it can do no harm!  Did you even read that article? 

Obviously, one must always take care of oneself by eating right and getting exercise and many home remedies are efficacious, I myself have my favorite "pet" remedies that make me feel better, mainly, in my opinion, because I WANT them to.

I am most definitely not close minded, but I prefer to choose the simplest and most logical answer, option, or solution to anything, or the one more carefully studied so I can read the findings and judge for myself.  I don't just take someones word for it, or be overly impressed with credentials, testimonials, or followers/believers, thanks. 

And we all need to remember that doctors are humans, too.  They are making the best guess they can, most times.  They have good days and bad days, some are more cautious than others, they hold strong opinions, they make mistakes.  Sometimes it doesn't and won't matter what the doctor does, people die anyway or heal all on their own.  Medicine is not an exact art or science.  It's barely past it's infancy, but humans have learned an awful lot about how to fix what ails us.

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Biz, you have your opinions. . . . . I have mine. We don't have to agree, and it's okay.

Peace,

TXRed

[Guest bizabra]

I know! That's what's cool about being a citizen of the good old USA, eh?

[shanstress70]

I think for myself as well, and occasionally find myself going against or questioning what the doctor has told me. For example, I read several articles about how the chicken pox vaccine is more helpful and has less risk of harm to a baby if given at 18 months instead of 12. My doctor did not want to wait, so I switched doctors. And I know there are alternative therapies for some ailments that work. I will try them if for example someone in my family has heartburn, but never something like cancer unless it was terminal anyway.

I was only saying that this Mercola gets to me because he's anti-doctor. I'm sure he has good info, but after reading some things he's written, I discredit all the rest.

Please, thanks for sharing your story. I do want to say though that when you talked about your friend's premature baby story, you made my point for me! The baby lived ultimately because of technology. That baby would have died either way 20 years ago. The fact that she's alive today says a lot about the medical field.