Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 I don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.
lisajo Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.← Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo+Nov 12 2005, 10:33 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.←Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!←________________________In the short time I've been in this forum, I have been called a whole lot worse than a moron! Btw, this description was very accurate lol.
lisajo Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari+Nov 12 2005, 09:40 PM-->Originally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:33 PM<!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.←Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!←________________________In the short time I've been in this forum, I have been called a whole lot worse than a moron! Btw, this description was very accurate lol.←Well just suggesting maybe this site is not for you, It is sad that others say rude things and don't follow church doc. but maybe you should check out the gosple forum......most of the stuff you have seen i imagine is in the general forum.....There are always bad apples in all religions.......no one is perfect if we were we would not be here!.............Still moron is rude..........It's to me as bad as calling some on an off colored name!
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo+Nov 12 2005, 10:48 PM-->Originally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:40 PMOriginally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:33 PM<!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.←Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!←________________________In the short time I've been in this forum, I have been called a whole lot worse than a moron! Btw, this description was very accurate lol.←Well just suggesting maybe this site is not for you, It is sad that others say rude things and don't follow church doc. but maybe you should check out the gosple forum......most of the stuff you have seen i imagine is in the general forum.....There are always bad apples in all religions.......no one is perfect if we were we would not be here!.............Still moron is rude..........It's to me as bad as calling some on an off colored name!←__________________________I don't tolerate personal attacks; nor do I defend bad behavior. This person has been obnoxious and baiting me as well as others. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I'm not afraid to call it as it is, and I will stand up for myself when provoked.
lisajo Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari+Nov 12 2005, 09:57 PM-->Originally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:48 PMOriginally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:40 PMOriginally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:33 PM<!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.←Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!←________________________In the short time I've been in this forum, I have been called a whole lot worse than a moron! Btw, this description was very accurate lol.←Well just suggesting maybe this site is not for you, It is sad that others say rude things and don't follow church doc. but maybe you should check out the gosple forum......most of the stuff you have seen i imagine is in the general forum.....There are always bad apples in all religions.......no one is perfect if we were we would not be here!.............Still moron is rude..........It's to me as bad as calling some on an off colored name!←__________________________I don't tolerate personal attacks; nor do I defend bad behavior. This person has been obnoxious and baiting me as well as others. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I'm not afraid to call it as it is, and I will stand up for myself when provoked.←So what your saying to me it's ok to fight fire with fire?
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by lisajo+Nov 12 2005, 11:01 PM-->Originally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:57 PMOriginally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:48 PMOriginally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:40 PMOriginally posted by lisajo@Nov 12 2005, 10:33 PM<!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. Their agenda is to wreak havoc, and they are doing a fine job. I have seen this before in another network. These people cannot stomach the truth, so they resort to personal attacks. Mark my words, they will destroy this forum if they can. I've only been here a few days, but I can see very clearly what is happening from past experience. The moderators here have the power to control this, and quite frankly, I don't understand why this behavior is being tolerated. Personally speaking, I expected more from an LDS forum. For the moderators to allow the harassment of LDS, even allowing posts criticizing the Church/members/leaders, is unbelievable.←Hey i seen you resort to personal attacks.....One the post for please you called some one a moron.....and i replyed to you how that word is used aginst me by other relgions in my town...using it as another word for momon to me........Sooooooooo not Christlike!!←________________________In the short time I've been in this forum, I have been called a whole lot worse than a moron! Btw, this description was very accurate lol.←Well just suggesting maybe this site is not for you, It is sad that others say rude things and don't follow church doc. but maybe you should check out the gosple forum......most of the stuff you have seen i imagine is in the general forum.....There are always bad apples in all religions.......no one is perfect if we were we would not be here!.............Still moron is rude..........It's to me as bad as calling some on an off colored name!←__________________________I don't tolerate personal attacks; nor do I defend bad behavior. This person has been obnoxious and baiting me as well as others. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I'm not afraid to call it as it is, and I will stand up for myself when provoked.←So what your saying to me it's ok to fight fire with fire?←_____________________What I am saying is that I will counter disinformation, and I will not tolerate abuse.
DisRuptive1 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 10:30 PM...Your forum has been infiltrated by liberals...Oh man, you're like totally paranoid.
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by DisRuptive1+Nov 13 2005, 12:21 AM--><!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 10:30 PM...Your forum has been infiltrated by liberals...Oh man, you're like totally paranoid.←____________________________________Those who express their love of country are often looked upon as paranoiac patriots or right-wing extremists. ~ J. Edgar Hoover
Snow Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. ←HOLY SCNACKES! Not the liberals and anti-Mormons?Next thing you know it will be the Italians and the animal rights advocates. Who are these liberals and anti's you are talking about?
john doe Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Ari, since you are new here, it may interest you to know that Snow is one of our moderators on this board. From what I have read of is posts, he is absolutely not an anti-Mormon, and it is highly doubtful that he is a liberal. I could be wrong on that second one though. Since you are so fond of endless quotes, would you be so kind as to provide some here that prove your contention that he IS a liberal? I would be interested in what you come up with. As for your contention that he is an anti-Mormon, I will reject that idea out of hand. I have read him enough to know that while sometimes he sees things in the church in ways I haven't thought about, he remains strong in his testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel. I suggest that before we go out and start labeling people just because they have something different to share, that maybe we ought to get to know them just a little better. After all, you have only been here as a member less than a week. Maybe you should sit back and watch the flow of the forums and the conversations for a while before you decide who are the "good" guys and who are the "bad" guys around here.
Marsha Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 ARI THere is a way to report posts that you think are abusive, inconsiderate, bashing etc. Use it and the moderators check it out and determine whether it is one to either edit, move or delete. All the "staff" here are volunteers and have other jobs, families and interests, that being said, there is no 24/7 LDSTALK 'police' to sit and read this. We are online at different times and catch what we can. Now, how fair is it for you to call names and then complain about someone else? Not in my book. Your trying to defend yourself just doesn't cut it in my book. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black? Marsha
Jason Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 CONSPIRACY THEORISTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Jason@Nov 13 2005, 09:31 AMCONSPIRACY THEORISTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!←______________________________________Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. Martin Luther King Jr., US black civil rights leader & clergyman (1929 - 1968)
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by DisRuptive1+Nov 13 2005, 01:21 AM--><!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 10:30 PM...Your forum has been infiltrated by liberals...Oh man, you're like totally paranoid.←Oh man waste of bandwidth.
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Snow+Nov 13 2005, 04:55 AM--><!--QuoteBegin-Ari@Nov 12 2005, 09:30 PMI don't know if any of the moderators are aware of this, but your forum has been infiltrated by liberals and anti-Mormons. ←HOLY SCNACKES! Not the liberals and anti-Mormons?Next thing you know it will be the Italians and the animal rights advocates. Who are these liberals and anti's you are talking about?←Now this was a very intelligent and worthwhile post... no waste of bandwidth here..
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Jason@Nov 13 2005, 10:31 AMCONSPIRACY THEORISTS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!←Way worth while post here... and of course no waste of Bandwidth...
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Marsha@Nov 13 2005, 08:42 AMARITHere is a way to report posts that you think are abusive, inconsiderate, bashing etc. Use it and the moderators check it out and determine whether it is one to either edit, move or delete. All the "staff" here are volunteers and have other jobs, families and interests, that being said, there is no 24/7 LDSTALK 'police' to sit and read this. We are online at different times and catch what we can.Now, how fair is it for you to call names and then complain about someone else? Not in my book. Your trying to defend yourself just doesn't cut it in my book.Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black? Marsha←____________________________I think you should go back and read what your fellow moderator, snow, and his cohorts, i.e. "partners in crime" have said to me. I don't apologize for standing up for myself, and I detest bullies. Since I have been here a very short time, I would think a little courtesy and welcoming should be extended, as opposed to criticizing new members for the things they post...especially when one posts quotes from the First Presidency.
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by john doe@Nov 13 2005, 08:37 AMAri, since you are new here, it may interest you to know that Snow is one of our moderators on this board. From what I have read of is posts, he is absolutely not an anti-Mormon, and it is highly doubtful that he is a liberal. I could be wrong on that second one though. Since you are so fond of endless quotes, would you be so kind as to provide some here that prove your contention that he IS a liberal? I would be interested in what you come up with. As for your contention that he is an anti-Mormon, I will reject that idea out of hand. I have read him enough to know that while sometimes he sees things in the church in ways I haven't thought about, he remains strong in his testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel. I suggest that before we go out and start labeling people just because they have something different to share, that maybe we ought to get to know them just a little better. After all, you have only been here as a member less than a week. Maybe you should sit back and watch the flow of the forums and the conversations for a while before you decide who are the "good" guys and who are the "bad" guys around here.←________________________john doe, I would suggest you go back and read the thread on Ezra Taft Benson, where I quoted the First Presidency in regard to communism, and snow's remarks. Since snow is a moderator, his behavior will be scrutinized. If he's not a good example, what he says reflects upon the forum. Criticizing one's posts, particularly quotes from church authorities, is very unprofessional and opposes what we are taught as LDS, to not criticize our leaders.
Guest bizabra Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 I've been a participant on this board for many years now. Since Feb of '03. I am member #57. So far, no one has complained about me, and the fact that I have lasted this long says something about the tolerance on this board. Ari, if YOU don't like what you are reading here, then DON'T READ IT! Go to some other board that is more in line with what you expect. sheesh. . . . .
lisajo Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Who is infiltrating here? ............I mean it seems like you came in a few days ago and now everything has gone nuts! I appreciate some of your post ...but it seems to me all you want to do is confront people......Not everyone is going to have a comment you like just ignore them..... and i am sorry you are having problems..........but no one is perfect..........If you see something that is bad report it
Snow Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Ari@Nov 13 2005, 10:28 AMI think you should go back and read what your fellow moderator, snow, and his cohorts, i.e. "partners in crime" have said to me. I don't apologize for standing up for myself, and I detest bullies. Since I have been here a very short time, I would think a little courtesy and welcoming should be extended, as opposed to criticizing new members for the things they post...especially when one posts quotes from the First Presidency.←Partners in crime?Okay, maybe you have a small point, but do you see when you talk about things like devil-worshipping, infiltrating, dangerous flu-shot giving, liberal, anti-Mormons, then people might suspect that you are the type of person that believe JKF was killed by a band of crop-circle making bigfoots - and although it might not be nice, it's hard to resist poking fun at someone who believes in devil-loving killers and bigfoot.A little less paranoia would buy you some goodwill Ari.Again, who are these liberals and anti's you talk about?
john doe Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 john doe, I would suggest you go back and read the thread on Ezra Taft Benson, where I quoted the First Presidency in regard to communism, and snow's remarks. Since snow is a moderator, his behavior will be scrutinized. If he's not a good example, what he says reflects upon the forum. Criticizing one's posts, particularly quotes from church authorities, is very unprofessional and opposes what we are taught as LDS, to not criticize our leaders. Can I confess something here? every once in a while a church leader says something unrelated to the Plan of Salvation, usually involving politics, that I disagree with. Did you know that the late Wayne Owens, the former representative from Utah, was not only a flaming liberal in every sense of the word that I know of, but he was also a member (as far as I know) in good standing with the church, and a former mission president as well. On the other hand, I can't think of a time when Wayne Owens spoke his personal opinion that I agreed with him. The guy was just so far out there for me to agree with. There have been others high in church leadership who held personal views that I did not agree with. If this is apostasy, then color me as apostate.I know this sounds lame to some here, but sometimes when church leaders speak, they are speaking their personally held opinions, not doctrine. There are others here who have disagreed with this point of view, some who even want to canonize the JoD, but the fact remains that not always are the words of a church leader to be considered to be doctrinal. They are sometimes nothing more than a personal opinion held by that leader. And sometimes Snow, or someone else here, will voice his personal opinion about that leaders' personal opinion. Shocking as it may seem to some, I see nothing wrong with that. The church teaches us as Latter-day-Saints to educate ourselves about things, and it is inevitable that sometimes we as members, in our research of issues, will come to different conclusions. One of the purposes of this board, as I see it, is to discuss the different conclusions we have come to, and to show others how we have come to these conclusions. By sharing, as well as by reading others' opinions, we advance the cause of educating each other here.
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by john doe@Nov 13 2005, 12:44 PMjohn doe, I would suggest you go back and read the thread on Ezra Taft Benson, where I quoted the First Presidency in regard to communism, and snow's remarks. Since snow is a moderator, his behavior will be scrutinized. If he's not a good example, what he says reflects upon the forum. Criticizing one's posts, particularly quotes from church authorities, is very unprofessional and opposes what we are taught as LDS, to not criticize our leaders. Can I confess something here? every once in a while a church leader says something unrelated to the Plan of Salvation, usually involving politics, that I disagree with. Did you know that the late Wayne Owens, the former representative from Utah, was not only a flaming liberal in every sense of the word that I know of, but he was also a member (as far as I know) in good standing with the church, and a former mission president as well. On the other hand, I can't think of a time when Wayne Owens spoke his personal opinion that I agreed with him. The guy was just so far out there for me to agree with. There have been others high in church leadership who held personal views that I did not agree with. If this is apostasy, then color me as apostate.I know this sounds lame to some here, but sometimes when church leaders speak, they are speaking their personally held opinions, not doctrine. There are others here who have disagreed with this point of view, some who even want to canonize the JoD, but the fact remains that not always are the words of a church leader to be considered to be doctrinal. They are sometimes nothing more than a personal opinion held by that leader. And sometimes Snow, or someone else here, will voice his personal opinion about that leaders' personal opinion. Shocking as it may seem to some, I see nothing wrong with that. The church teaches us as Latter-day-Saints to educate ourselves about things, and it is inevitable that sometimes we as members, in our research of issues, will come to different conclusions. One of the purposes of this board, as I see it, is to discuss the different conclusions we have come to, and to show others how we have come to these conclusions. By sharing, as well as by reading others' opinions, we advance the cause of educating each other here.←____________________________I appreciate your post, john doe. How refreshing, not to be attacked or labeled!We are a church politically divided. I, personally, follow the teachings of Pres. Ezra Taft Benson. I would recommend reading an article from June 1965 entitled, Not Commanded In All Things. Pres. Benson stated: "To have been on the wrong side of the freedom issue during the war in heaven meant eternal damnation. How then, can Latter-day Saints expect to be on the wrong side in this life and escape the eternal consequences?" These eternal truths are undebatable.
Guest Ari 2 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Originally posted by Snow@Nov 13 2005, 12:22 PMA little less paranoia would buy you some goodwill Ari.Again, who are these liberals and anti's you talk about?←___________________________________Those who express their love of country are often looked upon as paranoiac patriots or right-wing extremists. ~ J. Edgar Hoover
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