Guest Starsky Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Rodney...it sounds like you don't like anyone's posts or feelings, or belief's here. What ya doing? Spamming? You have one of those brilliant minds that has only one gear...reverse. If you could maybe get a little more insightful, or educated, or something with substance in your posts...it would be greatly appreciated. Quote
Outshined Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Feb 27 2004, 02:46 PM Peace, His name isn't Rodney. Mine is! Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 27 2004, 07:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 27 2004, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Feb 26 2004, 11:45 PM I disagree....you prove Moroni existed by testing his promise...if you receive an answer...you know.... I got the toy Santa promised so he passed the test. Santa lives!! Obviously you missed my brilliant earlier post demolishing that argument. It would be very easy for the people who told you Santa existed to arrange for the "proof" (the toy) that he existed. There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation.And anyway, "circular" isn't really the right way to characterize the proof of Santa from a toy. It's just that the proof offered is unreliable evidence. A truly circular argument can be boiled down to "It is because it is," or "X, because X." The problem with the Santa/toy proof isn't that it says "X, because X." It's because it says "X, because Y" (X = Santa's existence; Y = the receipt of a toy) when it really should be saying "X, or Y, or Z, because Y." (when Y is "the parents bought the toy" and Z is "a flying monkey brought the toy.") Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 03:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. Sure there is Duck! You need to brush up on your quantum theory. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Feb 27 2004, 01:46 PM Peace, His name isn't Rodney. Yeah, I know...but I think he wants to play bad enough to behave....But the other mods are wise to him....and if he does anything even half off...he's gone again. LOL Quote
Jenda Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney@Feb 27 2004, 05:54 AM Which makes your faith no more nor less valuable or credible than that of a Taliban member. By their fruits ye shall know them. Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda+Feb 27 2004, 09:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Feb 27 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Rodney@Feb 27 2004, 05:54 AM Which makes your faith no more nor less valuable or credible than that of a Taliban member. By their fruits ye shall know them. What? You somehow don't think that they think their fruits are better than yours? Quote
Jenda Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 28 2004, 06:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 28 2004, 06:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Jenda@Feb 27 2004, 09:49 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Rodney@Feb 27 2004, 05:54 AM Which makes your faith no more nor less valuable or credible than that of a Taliban member. By their fruits ye shall know them. What? You somehow don't think that they think their fruits are better than yours? I'm sure they do, but it isn't my decision, or theirs. It is God's. If it produces good fruit, like it states all through the scriptures, then they are of God, but if it doesn't produce good fruit, it is likely not of God. Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Jenda+Feb 28 2004, 08:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Feb 28 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 06:55 AM Originally posted by -Jenda@Feb 27 2004, 09:49 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Rodney@Feb 27 2004, 05:54 AM Which makes your faith no more nor less valuable or credible than that of a Taliban member. By their fruits ye shall know them. What? You somehow don't think that they think their fruits are better than yours? I'm sure they do, but it isn't my decision, or theirs. It is God's. If it produces good fruit, like it states all through the scriptures, then they are of God, but if it doesn't produce good fruit, it is likely not of God. Whoooooosh!! Right over my head. You lost me totally.Who is the "ye" in "ye shall know them"? God or you or me or the Taliban or all of us or just you and your God or who?You and your religion produce "good" fruit and they and theirs produce "bad" fruit? You can't see how they and theirs would see it just the opposite?You probably know what you're trying to say, but I dare say there are a few of us moderately intelligent people out here who can't make heads or tails of it. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Pray about it Rod ol' boy and maybe, just maybe the Good Lord will look past all of your transgressions long enough to give you some much needed spiritual enlightenment. Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 28 2004, 09:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 28 2004, 09:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Jenda@Feb 28 2004, 08:54 AM Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 06:55 AM Originally posted by -Jenda@Feb 27 2004, 09:49 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Rodney@Feb 27 2004, 05:54 AM Which makes your faith no more nor less valuable or credible than that of a Taliban member. By their fruits ye shall know them. What? You somehow don't think that they think their fruits are better than yours? I'm sure they do, but it isn't my decision, or theirs. It is God's. If it produces good fruit, like it states all through the scriptures, then they are of God, but if it doesn't produce good fruit, it is likely not of God. Whoooooosh!! Right over my head. You lost me totally.Who is the "ye" in "ye shall know them"? God or you or me or the Taliban or all of us or just you and your God or who?You and your religion produce "good" fruit and they and theirs produce "bad" fruit? You can't see how they and theirs would see it just the opposite?You probably know what you're trying to say, but I dare say there are a few of us moderately intelligent people out here who can't make heads or tails of it. I suppose we should all just pray about it. In fact we should just pray about everything and stop coming to these evil chat sites to discuss anything... anything at all. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 I suppose we should all just pray about it. In fact we should just pray about everything and stop coming to these evil chat sites to discuss anything... anything at all. Drastic...extremes Rod! Maybe something a little more in balance....pray about it and then come to a chat site and share! Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Feb 28 2004, 09:25 AM I suppose we should all just pray about it. In fact we should just pray about everything and stop coming to these evil chat sites to discuss anything... anything at all. Drastic...extremes Rod! Maybe something a little more in balance....pray about it and then come to a chat site and share! Dag nab it! I just prayed really really really hard. And by golly, I still don't get it. Who is the "ye" in "...ye shall know them"? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Dag nab it! I just prayed really really really hard. And by golly, I still don't get it. Who is the "ye" in "...ye shall know them"? Well there is over 1700 'ye shall's' in the scriptures and they all seem to be referring to the people being addressed. Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Feb 28 2004, 09:34 AM Dag nab it! I just prayed really really really hard. And by golly, I still don't get it. Who is the "ye" in "...ye shall know them"? Well there is over 1700 'ye shall's' in the scriptures and they all seem to be referring to the people being addressed. Wow, thanks. I'm sure glad I came here and found that out. Now, could you maybe mention that to Jenda? I'm not certain she knows too. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 28 2004, 08:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 28 2004, 08:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Feb 28 2004, 09:34 AM Dag nab it! I just prayed really really really hard. And by golly, I still don't get it. Who is the "ye" in "...ye shall know them"? Well there is over 1700 'ye shall's' in the scriptures and they all seem to be referring to the people being addressed. Wow, thanks. I'm sure glad I came here and found that out. Now, could you maybe mention that to Jenda? I'm not certain she knows too. When 'teachings' are written in a book, it takes only a little common sense to realized it is addressing all who are seeking knowledge.But of course that leaves a lot of people out of the picture...doesn't it. LOL Quote
Rodney Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 04:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. I wouldn't even attempt to speculate that JS purposely arranged such a deception. I think maybe I'm talking about an innocent sort of deception--like when people thought the earth was flat. To them, it simply seemed flat. No one was deceiving them--that's just how they perceived it at the time. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 28 2004, 08:52 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 28 2004, 08:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 04:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. I wouldn't even attempt to speculate that JS purposely arranged such a deception. I think maybe I'm talking about an innocent sort of deception--like when people thought the earth was flat. To them, it simply seemed flat. No one was deceiving them--that's just how they perceived it at the time. And it is how many perceive it today as well. Quote
Rodney Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Feb 28 2004, 06:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Feb 28 2004, 06:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 08:52 AM <!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 04:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. I wouldn't even attempt to speculate that JS purposely arranged such a deception. I think maybe I'm talking about an innocent sort of deception--like when people thought the earth was flat. To them, it simply seemed flat. No one was deceiving them--that's just how they perceived it at the time. And it is how many perceive it today as well. How many would you say? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney+Feb 28 2004, 09:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rodney @ Feb 28 2004, 09:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Feb 28 2004, 06:22 PM Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 08:52 AM <!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 04:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. I wouldn't even attempt to speculate that JS purposely arranged such a deception. I think maybe I'm talking about an innocent sort of deception--like when people thought the earth was flat. To them, it simply seemed flat. No one was deceiving them--that's just how they perceived it at the time. And it is how many perceive it today as well. How many would you say? I really couldn't say. Quote
Rodney Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Feb 29 2004, 02:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Feb 29 2004, 02:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 09:46 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Feb 28 2004, 06:22 PM Originally posted by -Rodney@Feb 28 2004, 08:52 AM <!--QuoteBegin--TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 04:30 PM There is no comparable way that Joseph Smith could have arranged a similar deception by pre-arranging that future readers of the Book of Mormon would get a "burning in the bosom" or other such sensation. I wouldn't even attempt to speculate that JS purposely arranged such a deception. I think maybe I'm talking about an innocent sort of deception--like when people thought the earth was flat. To them, it simply seemed flat. No one was deceiving them--that's just how they perceived it at the time. And it is how many perceive it today as well. How many would you say? I really couldn't say. Ten? One hundred? One thousand? One million? Take a WAG. I'm just interested in knowing your approximation. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 I'm sure you are...but like I said...I really couldn't say. Quote
Rodney Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Not even a guess? This is no trap. I promise not to ridicule your conjecture. I won't even comment on it. You did say that many still believe the earth is flat. I'm just trying to understand what your term "many" meant in this particular context. Go on, be a sport. Give me a clue. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 29, 2004 Report Posted February 29, 2004 Okay...now I am glad I didn't give you any numbers...I was talking about people who do things because that is what they believe is right and that God directing them...like JS. I wasn't referring to the flat world belief. Sorry. Really. Quote
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