LDS Anarchist

[Rotpada]

Brooks,

You are kind of stinking your hand in a hornets' nest here. You have to expect these people won't understand coming from. The vast majority of them live under two conflicting religions. On being mormonism, the other being patriotism. Their patriotism blinds them to the actual accounts of God blessing His children with anarchism and when they demand it, he allows they the curse of government.

The Israelites lived for 400 years with no state. They were prosperous and lived in peace, other than a defensive skirmish from time to time. When they demanded a king in order to be like other nations, God gave them their king, but he warned them of the consequences of having a king. They still wanted it.

They don't understand that Lucifer's plan in Heaven was a plan of coercion and Christ's plan was one of voluntaryism. The entire foundation of God's kingdom is based on voluntary associations.

They keep quoting Article of Faith. Joseph Smith never intended the Articles of Faith to be scripture. They were a response to attacks in a local publication. If the Articles of Faith are scripture then it begins to unravel all other Mormon doctrine.

For example, the 8th Article of Faith states, "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." If these are the articles of our faith, then the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and church publications are not the word of God. Since the Articles of Faith negate themselves as being the Word of God, then we also have to leave out the 12th article. Is there truth in the Articles of Faith? Yes. Are there contradictions in the Articles of Faith? Yes. You need to seek the Spirit to testify the truth to you. I personally am okay with imperfections within the Church. I just seek to find the witness of the Holy Ghost in every word that I consider before accepting it as the word of God.

As far as the D&C goes, I believe there are words of God within those pages, I do not take the D&C as a whole to be the end-all complete understanding of God and His word. When you look at the references to "constitution" in the D&C, all but two references are lower case "constitution" or "constitutional." The two references to "Constitution" are from 3rd parties hearing the profit speak and writing down sometime later. the accuracy is questionable. Joseph Smith never agreed that those passages were meant to be scripture. One was added to the D&C while he was in prison or on the run from the government. (Hmmm... government, his nemesis) The other was added after his death. I would say pray about it and see how you feel. My understanding is that the Holy Ghost bears witness with clarity and responds in the negative with a stupor of thought. Go figure.

When the Nephites first begged Nephi to be their King, he didn't decline because he didn't feel worthy for the title, he felt the whole concept was bad for them.

Just before Christ was born in Jerusalem, the Gadianton Robbers had overthrown the government and the people were left with anarchy. There are several significant things in this situation.

1. The people were declared to be in a state of wickedness before the government fell and there was anarchy in the land. These were wicked people leaving the state behind and coalescing into small family or tribal units. They still lived in close proximity to other tribes, but they had no central government. They simply agreed to live without fighting between the tribes and they left each other alone. They lived in peace and traded in honesty. These people were considered wicked because they turned away from God before the condition of anarchy. Many will tell you that anarchy is a utopian dream, but this was not utopia and it worked.

2. When Christ appeared on the American continent, he did not reprimand the Nephites for not having a government. He didn't even bring it up. Okay, he may have said something that wasn't written, but it wasn't important enough to be written.

3' The nephites lived in peace for over 200 years in total anarchy before wicked people decided they wanted a government and as soon as that government was established their society fell back into chaos.

Good is bad, right is wrong. We are told that Satan would confuse even the "elect" in the last days. Just as deceiving is the notion the anarchy is chaos. Anarchy is the absence of chaos.

Arche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"arche" is a Greek word with primary senses 'beginning', 'origin' or 'first cause' and 'power', 'sovereignty', 'domination' as extended meanings.

In ancient Greek Philosophy, Aristotle foregrounded the meaning of arche as the element or principle of a thing, which although undemonstrable and intangible in itself, provides the conditions of the possibility of that thing.

The mythological cosmonogies consistently refer to "arche" as the origins of our universe as; an unlimited [formless] void (Greek), the water abyss (Near East), watery chaos (Babylon), dark face of the waters (Genesis), primordial waters (Hindu), outer darkness (Mormonism).

The Greeks say the origin (arche) of the world is Chaos. Mormonism claims that prior to the creation of our universe there was "Outer Darkness," a sea of intelligences existing in chaos. When God brought light and truth, the intelligences desired that light and truth and became organized.

Privative a - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Privative "a" or, by conjugation, "an-", is a Greek and Latin linguistic construct that negates what follows.

The roots of "arche" go back the absolute origin or beginning which is consistently a watery, fluid, or chaotic abyss without light and order. "an-" negates what follows, so the word "anarchy" very literally means without chaos and is therefore in direct alignment with most ancient and modern mythology, including mormonism.

Do you follow God in the antithesis of chaos (order), or do you engage in the unpardonable sin leading away from anarchy, or back to chaos (outer darkness)?

I promise you that none of the people who are attacking you or advising you here have spent the time thinking about these things like you have or they too would be asking the questions you are asking.

I believe that during the millennium we will all live in a voluntary society called the united order. All living United in anarchy (without chaos, meaning order).

God will allow us to live on Earth however we desire. We can have government if we choose, or we can live peacefully without the wars perpetuated by governments. People don't like rulers unless they can be the ruler. That is why democracy os so popular. It makes you feel like you at least have a timeshare in a kingship. You get to rule over others when you are in the majority. It is a childish game in my eyes.

You will never convince anyone of your views and you will never get reasoned answers to your questions. Find some like-minded mormons out there somewhere. We do exist. You don't have to give up the faith. Eventually the majority of mormons will have to give up their faith in the state.

Love, peace and anarchy, my brother.

Edited March 1, 2013 by Rotpada

[Rotpada]

Anarchism allows a common law of respect for others. What do you do with the people who break that law, and how do you do it to them?

LM

The Tuaths and the Somalies (until the recent overthrow by a designated state), handled it similarly.

Everyone belongs to a tuath or tribe (I will refer to both as tribes going forward.). You are free to switch tribes at will. Tribes have their own rules for "immigration." A good practice was that the tribes typically required a good reputation among your old tribe before they would allow you to join theirs.

If you didn't belong to a tribe, then you couldn't trade, which meant food, clothing, and shelter. Your tribe was responsible for your actions. If you stole sheep from someone, your tribe would make restitution. Then it was up to the tribe to say "Dude, pay us back, or we throw you out of the tribe and share your bad reputation with the other tribes."

Crimes always had to have a victim with demonstrable harm and reasonable restitution. In other words, there were only civil cases. Complaints between parties and the tribes would agree to the reasonable price of all crimes, including murder. Then all crimes were handled the same. Tribes makes restitution or loses reputation, criminal makes restitution to tribe, or loses reputation and is banished to fend for himself. If a non-tribal person committed a crime and couldn't make restitution, the victim could chose how they dealt with the person.

This system worked for over 1000 years for the Tuaths. The Somalies were doing very well until the UN imposed a new regime on them recently.

The Israelites operated under a similar system until they demanded a King and Saul led them to war and taxation.

The nephites did something similar from what we can tell for over 200 years during the time of Christ's visit to the Americas. And Jesus never said, "Don't do it."

[Rotpada]

A modern day example of reputation determining your ability to buy and sell is eBay. It is simple, if you have a bad reputation, people won't trade with you. If your reputation is beyond repair, eBay will banish you.

It is happening today, right under your nose.

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