Do ask, do tell?

[Wingnut]

I'm pretty sure I know what I said.

[bytor2112]

Im pretty sure that I can read.

[Wingnut]

And you have a habit of reading into things what you want to hear, not what is actually intended.

[RachelleDrew]

I'm pretty sure we need a referee. : )

[bytor2112]

And you have a habit of reading into things what you want to hear, not what is actually intended.

Nope.

Edited October 21, 2010 by bytor2112

[HoosierGuy]

One of the most hypocritical times in history was when the southern states, near the end of the Civil War, made slaves fight for them. How pathetic. I can see the same thing happening in the U.S. We get into another big war, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later, and will need a large portion of men to fight. The government/we people will want all men to fight, including gays.

[bytor2112]

One of the most hypocritical times in history was when the southern states, near the end of the Civil War, made slaves fight for them. How pathetic. I can see the same thing happening in the U.S. We get into another big war, which I'm sure will happen sooner or later, and will need a large portion of men to fight. The government/we people will want all men to fight, including gays.

Slaves were not compelled to fight for the South. Quite the contrary, many (as many as 90,000) volunteered and fought and labored as freemen and some as slaves in mixed units, unlike Northern black units which were highly segregated. Ulysses Grant owned slaves and often returned runaway slaves to their former masters that proclaimed loyalty to the Union. Blacks also fought in the Revolutionary War as well....and again not compelled. There were also free black men who owned slaves as well. So, before you slander our Southern brethren...you might actually learn some history.

Slavery existed in Northern States too....and President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation didn't extend freedom to those slaves in Northern States. Only to states that had succeeded from the Union, which was quite ridiculous considering that the states in rebellion considered themselves an independent nation. The pic below shows a volunteer regiment formed in April 1861 consisting of 1400 free black men.

Edited October 21, 2010 by bytor2112

[hordak]

The loss of DADT will not result in some Disneyland of equality that some people think but cause more problems for the homosexuals themselves.

While the media might paint a picture of gay which hunts that was not what i saw in the service. Actually recently there was a gay women booted and order to be reinstated, "for being gay", most the media left out the fact it was with a married women who husband brought it to the attention of the Commanding officer.

Most people, whom i have seen are very tolerant. I have seen more then a few gay members who got no flack because they followed the policy, i know a supervisor who had to repeatedly warn their gay troop to mind their Ps and Qs because talking on the work phone with their girlfriend was asking for trouble.

These gay members have been fairly obvious, working second jobs at gay bars, long term same sex "roommates" who have been with them through different states, rainbow stickers galore etc.

Those who would see a member enter a gay bar, or kiss a member of the same sex and feel the need to report it are the ones who would see a look, a pat on the back, a joke, as sexual harassment and open gays will have to walk on egg shells. Discharge under DADT doesn't carry a negative connotation and i believe typically an honorable discharge. Sexual harassment not so much.

Side note: while not all gays are attracted to all same sex people, the same can be said of straights yet i doubt many women would be as nonchalant about taking a shower with strange men, and people about having their wife, or daughter do so.

It is actually an insult to heterosexuals to say, "what are you worried about, the gays will not hit on you you" while insisting that straight men and women remain separate as if straights cannot control themselves like the homosexuals can.

[HoosierGuy]

Slaves were not compelled to fight for the South. Quite the contrary,

Yep, figured I would get that kind of "protect the south" response.