What is the purpose of PEC?

[martybess]

Each and all of those things were covered in the Ward Council role play.

I beg to differ on this.

Did they bring up the unemployed? Is there a ward that has no unemployed? This should be done in PEC.

I think all of these should be addressed in PEC.

Provident Living Home

Edited November 15, 2010 by martybess

[martybess]

Which is why I didn't include it on the list.

True, Wingnut. Just making an observation that the calling was eliminated. I like that. :)

[Justice]

I don't know the answer to this question. Any ideas? Given the instruction below, I really don't know what the point of PEC is. I'd really like to figure this out before my next bishopric meeting so that I can give some feedback on meeting schedule.

I think the PEC should focus on individual holders of the Priesthood, and what each one's needs and challenges are. If one is struggling or has needs they can be handled here in much more specific ways than can be in other meetings. Some situations may be difficult or awkward for the Ward Council to handle.

And, even going a step further, since the Bishop is the presiding authority, this committee should focus more on the needs of the Aaronic Priesthood members in the Ward.

[martybess]

I think the PEC should focus on individual holders of the Priesthood, and what each one's needs and challenges are. If one is struggling or has needs they can be handled here in much more specific ways than can be in other meetings. Some situations may be difficult or awkward for the Ward Council to handle.

And, even going a step further, since the Bishop is the presiding authority, this committee should focus more on the needs of the Aaronic Priesthood members in the Ward.

With APC being discontinued this will happen much more now.

[Guest mormonmusic]

I attended PEC for two solid years as a missionary. The purpose was to help us gain leadership skills that we could take back to our respective areas in the world when we were released. When I attended PEC after my mission, it was like stepping into a familiar environment, and I had perspectives on various questions that popped up given my experiences as a missionary.

[mnn727]

We discussed this in the Bishopric meeting last Sunday -- really it would only need to be for things directly related to the Priesthood: ordinations, advancements, fast offerering, etc and really shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes once a month at most.

I am pushing to get rid of the song and spiritual thought in Ward Council -- it wasn't modeled and there is nothing in the handbook about it.

[mnn727]

I beg to differ on this.

Did they bring up the unemployed? Is there a ward that has no unemployed? This should be done in PEC.

Why? its a Ward Council issue as of last Saturday

[MarginOfError]

I think the PEC should focus on individual holders of the Priesthood, and what each one's needs and challenges are. If one is struggling or has needs they can be handled here in much more specific ways than can be in other meetings. Some situations may be difficult or awkward for the Ward Council to handle.

And, even going a step further, since the Bishop is the presiding authority, this committee should focus more on the needs of the Aaronic Priesthood members in the Ward.

I don't see why the needs of individual priesthood holders can't be discussed in ward council. And if it can be discussed in ward council, it shouldn't be discussed in PEC.

[MarginOfError]

I attended PEC for two solid years as a missionary. The purpose was to help us gain leadership skills that we could take back to our respective areas in the world when we were released. When I attended PEC after my mission, it was like stepping into a familiar environment, and I had perspectives on various questions that popped up given my experiences as a missionary.

I probably wouldn't object much if they attended but the ward mission leader gave the bulk of the report. What has happened for as long as I've been the clerk is the missionaries discuss every detail of every discussion they've had. Their focus is so microscopic that they tend to overestimate the size of their role in the overall workings of the ward. It should be a rare occurrence that the missionaries need to give a 35 minute report on their week.

[MarginOfError]

We discussed this in the Bishopric meeting last Sunday -- really it would only need to be for things directly related to the Priesthood: ordinations, advancements, fast offerering, etc and really shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes once a month at most.

I don't know why the PEC would need to discuss advancements. The decision to ordain a person is in the bishop's hands for the Aaronic Priesthood and the stake president's hands for the Melchizedek Priesthood. If you need to discuss how to help an individual advance toward ordination, that can be discussed in ward council.

I'm not sure why PEC would be discussing fast offering disbursements either.

[Justice]

I don't see why the needs of individual priesthood holders can't be discussed in ward council. And if it can be discussed in ward council, it shouldn't be discussed in PEC.

I didn't say they couldn't be.

Obviously I did a poor job of trying to communicate what I intended to say.

Also, I don't think just because a thing is discussed in Ward Council that there isn't more that can be discussed and done in PEC that doesn't necessarily affect some members of Ward Council.

It's a Priesthood Executive Committee...

What else can it's purpose be than to help each Priesthood holder in the Ward become converted to Jesus Christ through ministering to them?

For example, Home Teaching. The more you try to improve the program itself and take emphasis off converting your Home Teachers, the less effective your Home Teaching will become.

[rameumptom]

See, that's what I don't really get. The only people on the Ward Council who aren't also part of PEC are the Primary and Young Women presidents, and the Relief Society president, who is now being invited to PEC. So it's not really "a few key leaders" -- it's the Ward Council minus Primary and Young Women.

Actually, the Ward Council also includes the Sunday School President, full time missionaries and employment specialist can be invited, and any others as needed may be invited. So, it is an open forum in many ways.

[MarginOfError]

Nevermind....I can't read.

Edited November 16, 2010 by MarginOfError

[mnn727]

I'm not sure why PEC would be discussing fast offering disbursements either.

Wasn't talking about disbursements, was talking about routes and logistics -- like matching up a M.P. holder driver with a youth.

That would require the YM Pres, EQ Pres, and HP group Leader and presumably the Bishop -- sounds like PEC to me.

[MarginOfError]

Wasn't talking about disbursements, was talking about routes and logistics -- like matching up a M.P. holder driver with a youth.

That would require the YM Pres, EQ Pres, and HP group Leader and presumably the Bishop -- sounds like PEC to me.

Ah! Yes. Collections makes sense to me. It wouldn't have crossed my mind without being explicitly stated since we don't have a single active Aaronic Priesthood holder under the age of 25 in my ward.

[martybess]

The spirit and feeling between PEC and Ward Council is different.

Example:

Stake High Council - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties, receive instructions to take out to the different wards. Also they give an accounting/reporting on how things are going in the wards.

Ward Priesthood Executive Meeting - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties,receive instructions to take out to the different quorums and group. Also they give an accounting/reporting.

It's a priesthood function. The High Council can't just meeting with the Stake Council. I don't see them being able to function with the personal duties they attend too. Same is true with PEC.

[MarginOfError]

The spirit and feeling between PEC and Ward Council is different.

Example:

Stake High Council - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties, receive instructions to take out to the different wards. Also they give an accounting/reporting on how things are going in the wards.

Ward Priesthood Executive Meeting - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties,receive instructions to take out to the different quorums and group. Also they give an accounting/reporting.

It's a priesthood function. The High Council can't just meeting with the Stake Council. I don't see them being able to function with the personal duties they attend too. Same is true with PEC.

What's your reference for these descriptions. They don't match what is given in the current handbooks.

[martybess]

What's your reference for these descriptions. They don't match what is given in the current handbooks.

As I have been stating all along. It's to discuss welfare matters. Unemployment etc.

Handbook 2: Administering the Church

Chapter 6.0 - Welfare Principles and Leadership

"As needed, the ward priesthood executive committee discusses confidential welfare matters. The bishop may invite the Relief Society president to attend for these discussions."

https://new.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/welfare-principles-and-leadership?lang=eng&query=priesthood+executive+committee

What's your reference that I'm stand corrected?

Edited November 16, 2010 by martybess

[MarginOfError]

As I have been stating all along. It's to discuss welfare matters. Unemployment etc.........

What's your reference that I'm stand corrected?

No, silly. Where does the following come from?

The spirit and feeling between PEC and Ward Council is different.

Example:

Stake High Council - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties, receive instructions to take out to the different wards. Also they give an accounting/reporting on how things are going in the wards.

Ward Priesthood Executive Meeting - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties,receive instructions to take out to the different quorums and group. Also they give an accounting/reporting.

It's a priesthood function. The High Council can't just meeting with the Stake Council. I don't see them being able to function with the personal duties they attend too. Same is true with PEC.

[martybess]

What's your reference for these descriptions. They don't match what is given in the current handbooks.

Elder Cooks instruction given in the Broadcast.

"The priesthood executive committee (PEC) meets regularly to consider priesthood matters but need not consider matters that will be discussed by the ward council. "

https://new.lds.org/training/worldwide-leadership/2010/11/selected-principles-from-the-new-handbooks?lang=eng

It specifically does not say what I suggested (I stated "examples") I did not say it was "given policy/guidelines". These things however are "priesthood matters" that Elder cook did say is the purpose if PEC.

What is your reference we are NOT to hold PEC?

Edited November 16, 2010 by martybess

[MarginOfError]

Elder Cooks instruction given in the Broadcast.

"The priesthood executive committee (PEC) meets regularly to consider priesthood matters but need not consider matters that will be discussed by the ward council. "

https://new.lds.org/training/worldwide-leadership/2010/11/selected-principles-from-the-new-handbooks?lang=eng

At the risk of sounding condescending, I want to to read carefully the passage below. It is a quote from you. I would like to know what the reference is that describes PEC in this manner. Specifically that it meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training, and instruction, etc.

I'm aware of the quote you've given me a couple of times now, but it doesn't address the descriptions below.

The spirit and feeling between PEC and Ward Council is different.

Example:

Stake High Council - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties, receive instructions to take out to the different wards. Also they give an accounting/reporting on how things are going in the wards.

Ward Priesthood Executive Meeting - Meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training on their duties,receive instructions to take out to the different quorums and group. Also they give an accounting/reporting.

It's a priesthood function. The High Council can't just meeting with the Stake Council. I don't see them being able to function with the personal duties they attend too. Same is true with PEC.

EDIT: the descriptions as you give them seem very formal, and I'm wondering if you're simply assigning them those traits or if you're pulling your descriptions from another source. Who defined "priesthood matters" as you've described them and when did he do it?

Also, I've not said we shouldn't hold PEC. I've said I didn't understand it's purpose. You'll also see on the first page of this thread (or maybe the second) some matters that I have agreed would be appropriate for PEC.

Edited November 16, 2010 by MarginOfError

[martybess]

At the risk of sounding condescending, I want to to read carefully the passage below. It is a quote from you. I would like to know what the reference is that describes PEC in this manner. Specifically that it meets to discuss policy, get assignments, receive training, and instruction, etc.

I'm aware of the quote you've given me a couple of times now, but it doesn't address the descriptions below.

EDIT: the descriptions as you give them seem very formal, and I'm wondering if you're simply assigning them those traits or if you're pulling your descriptions from another source. Who defined "priesthood matters" as you've described them and when did he do it?

Also, I've not said we shouldn't hold PEC. I've said I didn't understand it's purpose. You'll also see on the first page of this thread (or maybe the second) some matters that I have agreed would be appropriate for PEC.

Oh ok..... I get it. Nope, just possible examples to your original post/question. Not quoted guidelines. I think the PEC "meets regularly to consider priesthood matters" and I gave some possible examples/ideas on what "priesthood matters" are. (Instructions, assignments and accountability). Return and report. I think we can draw our own conclusions to the "return and report" as given in the temple and how it was done by the priesthood. -- IMO it functions the same way in the ward. Priesthood shepherds or the PEC members are called to help our Father in Heavens's children find the way home and give a return and report on our efforts to the common Judge of Israel. Sorry got off base a bit from your original question. :)

[Bensalem]

I don't know the answer to this question. Any ideas? Given the instruction below, I really don't know what the point of PEC is. I'd really like to figure this out before my next bishopric meeting so that I can give some feedback on meeting schedule.

Clearly it is a high level meeting of the Priesthood for the purpose of discussing matters of the church and the saints within a ward.

[MarginOfError]

Clearly it is a high level meeting of the Priesthood for the purpose of discussing matters of the church and the saints within a ward.

That description fails to distinguish PEC from ward council.

[Bensalem]

That description fails to distinguish PEC from ward council.

Well, perhaps the PEC meeting was provided to discuss the Ward Council meeting.

(Sorry, I could not resist )