Wow And Eating Meat

[Guest MrsS]

I know that it is most possible to give up meat.

I did it for Lent.

It is Orthodox tradition to fast for the period of Lent.

One week before lent there is a week of preparation called "meatfare", this is when all meat apart from fish is cast out of the diet.

Then there is clean Monday which comes a week after Meatfare Sunday. This is when you are thrust into the fast.

No meat is to be eaten, no fish, no dairy products or anything that comes from an animal. (technically caviar and seafood is allowed but I wouldn't personally allow that, it is an ancient loophole).

After a few days your body starts to adjust, first of all you get stomach rumbles. You always feel full. And your stool improves. I felt a lot healthier, my skin was wonderfully clear and I became very healthy in general.

After about a week, there is no longing for meat and you forget why you even eated it in the first place, however, giving up dairy is annoying because I do prefer milk chocolate than plain etc.

When Lent finishes, at Great and Holy Pascha (otherwise called Easter) people take in the meat carefully.

There is a feast after the service which consists of meat (and lots of it) and eggs, and anything that was abstatined from in Lent.

I felt so ill after the feast but so happy!

Also I was a lot thinner, at the end of Lent I was probably at the correct shape I should be....now I am a little wider round the waist than I should be. .

Something which the Orthodox and LDS church can unite in is that the abstainance of such foods is not a personal selfish act but an act of prayer, a means to become more meditative in God.

Both churches acknowledge that it is to clean the body, which is described as the "Temple of the Holy Spirit".

I watch my cat catch her prey (whether it be bird or mouse) and it really makes me think how we should be like a cat.

Excercise plenty and eat occasionally.

Eat only when you are hungry.

If there is too much food on your plate, do not eat it! If the person is a good host, they shouldn't be offended plus if it were in a restaurant, you do not know what the size of the portions are.

Do it for life- not for just a very short time once a year - but for your entire life! Only eat beef once a month, if that. Eat pork, chicken, fish, and lamb very sparingly. Not more than 5 or 6 oz. a day! Make your vegies fresh while they are in season and canned, frozen or dehydrated the rest of the time, or preserve them your self.

When we LDS fast ~ we do so for spiritual reasons, not for health reasons or because it is a fad. We Pray and Fast. It goes together.

[Heather]

Eating a lot of meat during Joseph Smith's time would've been bad due to lack of refrigeration.

[Christos]

The Lenten season in the Orthodox church is not a small amount of time.

It must have taken up a good fifth of the year.

Myself, I like vegetables and rarely eat ready made meals.

I love cooking and bake my own bread and make my own meals. Generally if I want a meat, I might have salmon, trout or chicken.

I am more of a fish person than I am for heavy red meats.

My family has a strong Arthritis gene and I am trying to keep up on Omega 3 and the oils to lubricate my joints even when I am young. I play piano often as well to stop the fingers and wrists from stiffening up. Yesterday people said they heard me crack when I got out of a chair .

I grow a few fruits in our garden and there is nothing better than fresh fruit.

As for vegetables, we do try to get it from local farms.

Humans are omnivores, not carnivores.

Though we should lean more towards the Herbivore.

The refrigeration point was very true.

I don't know if you have heard of the amazing poet William Wordsworth but he lived near me and his house was built over a brook. The room which was directly over the brook was the refrigeration room. Obviously not everyone could have their own cool brook. Also people had to preserve their meats in ways we don't need to now, like salting, pickling, smoking and soaking it in brandy or another strong alcohol. Yes alcohol does serve a purpose as a preservative.

Lord Nelson was preserved in Brandy when his corpse was shipped back to land after the battle of Trafalgar.

[boyando]

I think that the WOW can be broke down into two parts. Spiritual and good advise.

I may have a fair handle on the spiritual, the things you need to do to receive a Temple recomend but I need to work on the good advice part.

I don't know if the part of the WOW that is advice at this time will become a comandment later. Advice from the lord is a good thing. When all of the WOW was just advice, it was for the weakest of the Saints. That just might be were I fit in.

I don't sleep as well as I should. I won't tell you how over weight Iam. I hate to eat fruit.

For now I am some what healthy but I know that we are suppose to live as long as we can so that we can bless the lifes of other's. Maybe I will have a bowl of bran for breakfast, oh yeah, I hate bran too.

[shanan]

It seems to me that the WoW supports a more vegetarian lifestyle than what most LDS people live. I know we are not told to completly cut meat out of our diet but I think most LDS people eat way more meat than what we are suppose to. It seems to me we should be eating a plant based diet except in time of famine or when other food is not available. I have read things Joseph Smith and Brigham Young have said that seems to support a vegetarian diet but don't have the sources right now. I would like to get others view points on this topic.

When I pondered on the question of becoming vegetarian I searched scripture and found this:

"And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God.

For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which commeth of the Earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance." [D & C 49: 18,19]

I must also quote another scripture that every latter-day saint should know

"Yea, flesh also of beasts and of fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thankgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;" [D & C 89: 12 ]

It does sound contradicting and brought about much discussion on the topic. We might have in abundance as in available to us, but not necessarily EAT in abundance. The term Sparingly is of course steering us away from that all time sin of Greed.

Without a doubt the Beasts of the Earth are here for us to eat so I'm blown if I'm going to offend the Lord and turn away His good food!!

No offence to those who choose to be vegetarian, a good friend of mine has chosen that path. Each of us has been given agency and no man should judge another.

[to_tall]

Dont most vegitarians get a majority of there protein from soy products????

theres not alot of plants out there that have alot of protein...

and eating large amounts of soy for guys is not a good thing over time it can cause a hormone imbalance, soy is high in estergin or whatever it is. its teh reason soy is used in so many of the metopause suplements, so for a guy eating lots of soy he is basicaly castrating himself slowly...

in general guys need more protein then women to begain with

[shanstress70]

Dont most vegitarians get a majority of there protein from soy products????

theres not alot of plants out there that have alot of protein...

and eating large amounts of soy for guys is not a good thing over time it can cause a hormone imbalance, soy is high in estergin or whatever it is. its teh reason soy is used in so many of the metopause suplements, so for a guy eating lots of soy he is basicaly castrating himself slowly...

in general guys need more protein then women to begain with

Some think that soy is harmful to women as well, thinking that it contributes to breast cancer. I know that many disagree with this, but there must be something to it because when my mother was diagnosed with BC, the doctor took her off her estrogen hormone therapy for menopause, despite the very unfortunate effects of menopause the estrogen helped with. He also told her to completely stay away from anything soy-based.

I think it's healthy to eat lean types of meat sparingly.

[Ray]

As for me and my household we will eat meat. So what is everyone cooking on the BBQ for Memorial Day? I think we will BBQ some zuchinni and squash along with some red and yellow bell peppers.

They look good decorating around the ribeye steaks. LOL

Ben Raines

Heh, very well said, and I love what you eat, though on most days I try to eat healthier. And coming from Texas I think I do well to be eating more than meat and potatoes… thanks to loving and wonderful wife.

On 3 or 4 days a week we eat a small bit of meat, with the meal made mostly from whole grains and fresh vegetables. And on most other days we’ll have only vegetables, with nuts or some beans for our protein.

But when we eat STEAKS, we ALWAYS have Ribeye, with no gristle and a nice marble of fat, and the ones that we eat are better than in any restaurant because of the time and the trouble it takes – choice and cured at room temperature for about an hour before being grilled and rubbed with herbs and spices.

Another one of my favorite meals is a big bowl of beans with grilled vegetables and buttered cornbread on the bottom (to get juicy) and on the side … with peach cobbler for dessert, made special by my wife, who knows what she’s doing in a kitchen. :)

[BenRaines]

Ray,

Now on this we are in total agreement. We usually do our peach cobbler in a dutch oven in the backyard. I also marinate the rib-eye steaks a couple of days in advance and then bring them to room temperature before cooking. Only cook on coals, no gas. Weber BBQ is a great way to cook. I am looking at getting a texas bbq for those long term cooking spells. Things that take three hours or more to cook, pork shoulders, london broil and of course ribs. :)

Ben Raines

[Ray]

Ray,

Now on this we are in total agreement.

Good, I'm glad to hear it. But that almost sounds like we don't agree on all things, so I'll hope we'll learn to agree with God, and tolerate each other until then.

We usually do our peach cobbler in a dutch oven in the backyard.

We use ours only when we go camping. The coals don't add good flavor. And we also have a fairly nice kitchen, so my wife likes to cook in there.

I also marinate the rib-eye steaks a couple of days in advance and then bring them to room temperature before cooking.

Hmmm. A couple of days, huh. We might try that sometime, but we like our dry rub, although I'm willing to give it a chance.

Only cook on coals, no gas.

Heh. YAH! Is there any other way to grill meat???

Weber BBQ is a great way to cook.

Whatever will heat the coals. :)

We actually have a Kirkland grill, and I'm not sure who makes those for Costco.

I am looking at getting a texas bbq for those long term cooking spells. Things that take three hours or more to cook, pork shoulders, london broil and of course ribs. :)

You mean a big smoker? Yah, I'd like to have one of those too, but it's a little ways down our list. :)

We also like to grill and pull our pork for sandwiches, using a crock pot to make it tender and juicy. :)

[dtse928]

While reading this, a friend of mine called and asked if I wanted to go to a buffet. ....Talk about eating lost of meat. I thought it was funny.

Well, at least I ate lots of salads and vegi yesterday.

I used to have 8% body fat and worked out regularly and never gained an ounce. Not that I'm obese or anything now. But I could lose 15 pounds. I'm 5',11" and 195 lbs. I could turn all that into muscle, but I think losing some weight and having more endurance and flexiblity is healthier on the body, heart and joints in the long term.

I think moderation in diet and exercise is good.

[wolfjingles]

Different people eat different acording to there health some people have to eat meat doctors orders for the things that are in it and what is does for them. exanple there are sertain things in hamburger that my friend needs in her system to keep her going and she can get it from other foods but think about it the doctor said eat it so does she tell the doctor no or does she eat it and stay healthy.

[shanstress70]

Speaking of grilling... try this. It's really simple and SO GOOD. And yes, I love me a good filet mignon (that's my steak of choice!), but chicken is more of an every day food and I do this about once a week.

Slice some chicken breasts in half so that they are still fillets, but are thin. This allows them to soak up the marinade better and cook more quickly without drying out.

In a ziploc, put about 1/4 cup olive oil, juice of one lemon, a couple cloves of minced garlic, salt and pepper.

Let the chicken marinate in this mixture for a couple of hours, then grill. Serve with some grilled veggies like sqash, zucchini, mushrooms, onions, peppers.

[mk2_gti]

I would first like to say hello to all as this is my first post.....so hello.

The other thing I would like to do is ask where the true gospel discussion is in this thread. I came on here to read some oppinions based on GOSPEL and all i am seeing is personal oppinion about healthy eathing and a few recipes. This thread doesnt seem to be very gospel based which is what I would expect to see in a gospel disscussion forum...anywho, does anyone have anything else about the gospel and eating too much meat. I have often wondered this myself when asked if I follow the Wow. If I were drinking coffee I would feel inclined to say that I am not, but does it not also make sense to say you are not following the wow if you are not using meat sparingly? Thoughts?

[shanstress70]

I came on here to read some oppinions based on GOSPEL and all i am seeing is personal oppinion about healthy eathing and a few recipes. This thread doesnt seem to be very gospel based which is what I would expect to see in a gospel disscussion forum

Dude, chill out. Sometimes we tend to go off track, which happens a lot in message board world.

Welcome though! :)

[boyando]

Speaking of grilling... try this. It's really simple and SO GOOD. And yes, I love me a good filet mignon (that's my steak of choice!), but chicken is more of an every day food and I do this about once a week.

Slice some chicken breasts in half so that they are still fillets, but are thin. This allows them to soak up the marinade better and cook more quickly without drying out.

In a ziploc, put about 1/4 cup olive oil, juice of one lemon, a couple cloves of minced garlic, salt and pepper.

Let the chicken marinate in this mixture for a couple of hours, then grill. Serve with some grilled veggies like sqash, zucchini, mushrooms, onions, peppers.

My brother inlaw, who is a chef, showed me the same receipe but he adds freshly chopped pesto.

[pushka]

That recipe sounds delicious, Shanstress...I would substitute the chicken with either Quorn (chicken flavour) or TVP chunks (chicken flavour) Yummy!!! :)

[trailrnr]

Dont most vegitarians get a majority of there protein from soy products????

theres not alot of plants out there that have alot of protein...

and eating large amounts of soy for guys is not a good thing over time it can cause a hormone imbalance, soy is high in estergin or whatever it is. its teh reason soy is used in so many of the metopause suplements, so for a guy eating lots of soy he is basicaly castrating himself slowly...

in general guys need more protein then women to begain with

There are a lot of other plant based foods with protein besides soy even though soy is a great source used in moderation. 1 cup of black beans have 30% RDA of protein. 1 cup of lentils have closer to 35%. 1 cup of rolled oats about 12%. 1 cup of spinach around 12%. 1/4 cup of peanuts has around 15%. This is just a small sample.

[Sugarbay]

Different people eat different acording to there health some people have to eat meat doctors orders for the things that are in it and what is does for them. exanple there are sertain things in hamburger that my friend needs in her system to keep her going and she can get it from other foods but think about it the doctor said eat it so does she tell the doctor no or does she eat it and stay healthy.

Wow, wolfjingles, that is an OLD identity!

For the members of the church. I think the Word of Wisdom states what Father wants us to do. So we obey him or we don't. We can rationalize all we want but he says what he says. He means what he says and he expects us to obey.

[boyando]

Ray,

Now on this we are in total agreement. We usually do our peach cobbler in a dutch oven in the backyard. I also marinate the rib-eye steaks a couple of days in advance and then bring them to room temperature before cooking. Only cook on coals, no gas. Weber BBQ is a great way to cook. I am looking at getting a texas bbq for those long term cooking spells. Things that take three hours or more to cook, pork shoulders, london broil and of course ribs. :)

Ben Raines

Do you really need coals for your Dutch oven in Vegas?

[Guest MrsS]

Do you really need coals for your Dutch oven in Vegas?

Sure don't need them here in Pinal County Arizona!! It is now 8pm MST and it is 100degrees out. The high today hit 116! With a wind blowing, it is just like a convection oven

[boyando]

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Do you really need coals for your Dutch oven in Vegas?

Sure don't need them here in Pinal County Arizona!! It is now 8pm MST and it is 100degrees out. The high today hit 116! With a wind blowing, it is just like a convection oven

You know the mormons were the first to settle Las Vegas. and then theres Saint Gorge, Utah. Do you think we settled in areas that were hot so we could remind ourselfs were we didn't want to end up?

[Guest MrsS]

You know the mormons were the first to settle Las Vegas. and then theres Saint Gorge, Utah. Do you think we settled in areas that were hot so we could remind ourselfs were we didn't want to end up?

That is a thought OR where no one else would want tofollow us to ~ i.e. our persecutors?

[boyando]

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You know the mormons were the first to settle Las Vegas. and then theres Saint Gorge, Utah. Do you think we settled in areas that were hot so we could remind ourselfs were we didn't want to end up?

That is a thought OR where no one else would want tofollow us to ~ i.e. our persecutors?

Seams to me that everyone wants to bake in the sun.

[Guest MrsS]

Seams to me that everyone wants to bake in the sun.

One of my co-workers and my Boss go to the Spa and do the tanning thing. Here in Arizona, with all this sun, they use a tanning bed