I Give Up!

[JoshuaFKon]

Hello everyone,

You have bested me, not by your logic, reasoning, or wisdom, But by your constant advice to pray, and the rather circular logic of some of the people on here.

I have been called a liar, "on the side of satan", and deciever, and many other things.

I thank the few who answered my questions, and the fewer who gave me the benift of the doubt.

Of course, I would never give up this quickly, but I am going to finish my vacation in peace. I will be back on Saturday to continue this disscussion.

I'll probably check back once or twice and maybe one post a day...but I'm not answering every person who calls me a liar untill I get back from vacation (I may need to take another vacation after this...lol) and my blog will still be up.

If anyone actually wants to answer me, my site is still up (www.allaboutjoshua.com) and you can reach me there.

Thanks again,

And I hope there are no hard feelings?

till Saturday....

Josh B)

[Ray]

I have no hard feelings against you.

I simply don't care what you think.

And I also don't care much for much of what you do.

Are you really expecting me to?

Who are YOU to tell me what IS true.

Who are YOU to say what's a lie???

I do know some truths, yes, I really do,

And I know you can learn if you try. :)

[Dr T]

Hey Ray,

Just wanted to make sure I hear what you are saying correctly. In a sense you are saying:

"I do not care about you."

"Since you cannot differentiate between what is true or false, you have no right imparting information."

"You can learn truth from falsehood if you try."

Would you then listen to him about what is true/false?

Curiously,

Dr. T

[Ray]

Hey Ray,

Just wanted to make sure I hear what you are saying correctly. In a sense you are saying:

"I do not care about you."

"Since you cannot differentiate between what is true or false, you have no right imparting information."

"You can learn truth from falsehood if you try."

Would you then listen to him about what is true/false?

Curiously,

Dr. T

Heh, and you're a doctor???

No. You're way off... except for my highlights in bold.

Of course I care about him, as a person, and he has the right to share whatever he thinks, whether he's right or he's wrong. But I do not care much for his thoughts or his actions, though I want him to learn from our God... the only one all of us should now try to learn from if we want to become what we worship.

Who cares what some others may think???

If it's not from our God, then I do not want it, and I know how to learn from our God.

[Dr T]

Hi Ray,

Good, I didn't really think you meant it that way. That is why I purposefully set it up that way for you to clarify.

What you actually said was,

I simply don't care what you think.

And I also don't care much for much of what you do.

so in that sense you don't care about what he things or much about what he does.

and you said,

Who are YOU to tell me what IS true.

Who are YOU to say what's a lie???

implying that he doesn't know what is true or false. And you have hope that someday he will. How will YOU know when he knows what is true and false, Ray?

Dr. T

[JoshuaFKon]

Hello, I know I said I wasn't going to post again till saturday, but I couldn't help it...I mean A.K. put up a whole post just for me!

My posting would be my first "lie" on here if you're counting rosie...

Josh B)

By the way Dr. T,

I love the quote you have "“To base thought only on speech is to try nailing whispers to the wall. Writing freezes thought and offers it up for inspection.” Jack Rosenthal"

how to I get a quote under my name?

[Dr T]

Thank you Josh, :)

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[JoshuaFKon]

Thanks :)

[Ray]

What you actually said was,

I simply don't care what you think.

And I also don't care much for much of what you do.

so in that sense you don't care about what he things or much about what he does.

Or in other words, when I said I didn't (and I still don't) care about Josh's thoughts, or actions, I meant that I did not and do not and will not care enough to base any of my own thoughts, or actions, upon any thoughts or actions of Josh.

Sure, I'll converse with him, and share what I think, and I'll listen if Josh shares what Josh thinks, but the only thoughts I'll choose to become my own thoughts are the thoughts that I know are from God.

p.s. And btw, that means that if Josh tried to "hurt" me, or tried to "help" me, his thoughts or his actions wouldn't affect me, because I'd do what I knew God wanted from me, regardless of what he, or others, did.

and you said,

Who are YOU to tell me what IS true.

Who are YOU to say what's a lie???

implying that he doesn't know what is true or false. And you have hope that someday he will.

Heh, there you go getting all off again. I was NOT implying that thought... whatever you choose to think.

Do you know "implications" are a lot like "assumptions"? And I'm not, but you are, well, you know what.

Or in other words, I was simply asking some questions, some questions that I wanted Josh to think about, and if Josh had then thought of what I then had thought of, he would have then known who to learn from.

How will YOU know when he knows what is true and false, Ray?

By knowing when I know what God knows is true and false, and knowing what Josh knows about God. :)

[Dr T]

OK. Expected.

Thanky you for your time Ray.