Guest Ajax Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Ashley, poor thing, or blessed by intervention?I feel contradictory in saying that this might be a great idea, but I must. It could save many people added hardships with a great burden already harnassed up. Quote
Outshined Posted January 25, 2007 Report Posted January 25, 2007 Mutilation for convenience is hardly what I'd call good parenting... Quote
Guest Ajax Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 Mutilation for convenience is hardly what I'd call good parenting...Even if it makes it easier for her to be cuddled and well cared for? Do you believe that those who are completely matured females, with the mind capabilities of a 6 year old are safe? Quote
Outshined Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 You don't mutilate others for your own convenience. Period. Quote
Rosewood Posted January 26, 2007 Report Posted January 26, 2007 Doesn't it just feel wrong to you? You never know what God had in store for her. Challenges are what make us grow. I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't want to do it. Quote
Guest Ajax Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 When do we have the responsibility to make a difference for the better in someone's life? Quote
Outshined Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 In this case, such mutilation doesn't necessarily mean better, it means more convenient and desirable for the parents. Big difference.Doesn't it just feel wrong to you? You never know what God had in store for her. Challenges are what make us grow. I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't want to do it.Exactly. I believe it was selfish cruelty to do that to her. Quote
Hoosier_Baby Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 This seems a bit like designer babies, fixing children that are in some way "wrong" after birth. I don't see anything wrong with it as the article itself stated "treatment was performed ... with no negative or long-term side effects." Quote
Outshined Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Except that they intentionally stunted her growth and development to make her easier to manage. When you start playing God, where do you stop? Quote
Guest Ajax Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 Except that they intentionally stunted her growth and development to make her easier to manage.When you start playing God, where do you stop?What benefit did they take from this child? What benefit would a full grown body give a child of this capasity?I think you are getting caught up in a false premise that complete growth in this instance is right. Right how? What is right about it? Quote
Guest bizabra Posted January 28, 2007 Report Posted January 28, 2007 In this case, such mutilation doesn't necessarily mean better, it means more convenient and desirable for the parents. Big difference.<div class='quotemain'>Doesn't it just feel wrong to you? You never know what God had in store for her. Challenges are what make us grow. I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't want to do it.Exactly. I believe it was selfish cruelty to do that to her.BIZ: Um, what about circumcision? One of the main arguments I hear about why it's OK to cut off the foreskin of an infant's penis is that it will make it easier to keep his penis clean. If that isn't a reason for "convenience to the caretaker", then I don't know what would qualify!I place circumcision in the category of "mutilation" and I put what was done for this little girl to be in the category of "medical treatment".I've had a hysterectomy. It wasn't done to save my life, but to provide me with a more comfortable existence, as I was plagued with severe endometriosis. If I had done nothing, when I reached menopause the bad symptoms would have disappeared. I didn't want to wait for another 20 years, so had the surgery my doctor recommended. I have been very happy I did so. In the strictest sense, this surgery was a mutilation, but one done for the sake of the patients (me) personal comfort and to improve her (mine) quality of life. Your point again? Quote
Outshined Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Your point again?I'm surprised you had so much difficulty understanding. Your hysterectomy was treatment for a medical condition, and it was your choice. What they did to this child was not; it was done to keep her as the parent's "pillow angel", in their words. Circumcision could go either way; it is not for the convenience of the parent, it is for the health of the child; it has been proven that circumcision reduces the risk of infections as well as STD's.Referring to the removal of this girl's uterus and breast tissue and loading her with hormones to stunt her growth as "medical treatment" is a perversion of the term in my opinion. Quote
CrimsonKairos Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 This is a personal topic for me. Having been caring for a brain-injured father for the past 15 months, my opinion on this has been crafted by experience. It's hard taking care of someone with no mental competence or awareness or ability to communicate with you. Luckily my dad's slowly getting better, but even so it's still a huge strain. If I were in these parents' position...knowing what I know now from caring for my father...I think I'd opt for the treatment her parents chose. It may seem harsh or extreme. Extreme situations require extreme measures. I won't give analogies or examples showing why the parents' choice was okay or not okay. I can't imagine anyone staying sane while caring longterm for a grown adult with the mind of a three-month old infant. The other option is to put the girl in a nursing facility...something I don't think her parents are willing to do (and nor would I). Pragmatically, I agree with the parents' decision. Giving a sponge bath is a workout. Cleaning up from bodily functions is a workout. Dressing them is a workout. Feeding them, brushing their teeth, moving them, etc... I still feel it's an extreme decision, but I'm not sure extreme is bad in this case. I understand the motivation for wanting to help her body match her mentality. Maybe it's not right for everyone. Maybe she'll wake up one day when she's 26, miraculously healed, and say, "Where is my woman's body? How can I live a full life like this?" But she might not. Ever. And someone who loves her wants to be able to take care of her, without breaking their backs or burning out. Tough situation. Really, really tough situation. Quote
Outshined Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Thanks for the comments, CK. I appreciate hearing the perspective of someone with first-hand experience rather than just someone out to prove another "wrong". As you said, it is a very tough situation, and not one to be considered lightly. It's easy for those of us outside the situation to have an opinion either way; we aren't directly affected. I don't personally think I'd make the choice these parents did; I'd rather let God's plan work itself out without radical medical "manipulation". That's me, though. I'm very sorry to hear about your father. Quote
CrimsonKairos Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 Thanks Outshined. I appreciate the tactful and civil way you disagree with me. Quote
Dr T Posted January 30, 2007 Report Posted January 30, 2007 We are all self serving to a degree. "How far?" is the question I guess. Quote
Guest Earl Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 Thanks for the comments, CK. I appreciate hearing the perspective of someone with first-hand experience rather than just someone out to prove another "wrong". As you said, it is a very tough situation, and not one to be considered lightly. It's easy for those of us outside the situation to have an opinion either way; we aren't directly affected. I don't personally think I'd make the choice these parents did; I'd rather let God's plan work itself out without radical medical "manipulation". That's me, though.I'm very sorry to hear about your father.What if she was going to die unless this "radical medical 'manipulation'" was done? Would you still feel that way? One has to step back and decide what is best for the one in need. Besides its not like she wont recieve her full glorious body in the hear after. To think otherwise is to say that those who are burned to ash in fires will be without bodies. :) You know, we are given certain trials for a reason in this life. I wonder if this trial is for that families growth or our own having to watch from the outside?Either way Im sure Heavenly Father has everything under control. He is a professional. Quote
Outshined Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 What if she was going to die unless this "radical medical 'manipulation'" was done? Would you still feel that way? Of course not; that would be medical treatment to prevent her death. Quote
Guest Earl Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 <div class='quotemain'>What if she was going to die unless this "radical medical 'manipulation'" was done? Would you still feel that way? Of course not; that would be medical treatment to prevent her death. In that case I offer this thought...Perhaps this medical treatment is going to prolong her life? And more importantly her Quality of Life. After all her care givers will be better able to care for her and keep her mobile and safe. A grown adult with no ability to fend for their self would be harder to deal with and might prove to be more hazardus? It is a tough situation indeed. Quote
Outshined Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 In that case I offer this thought...Perhaps this medical treatment is going to prolong her life? And more importantly her Quality of Life. That may be true, although it is not among the reasons they gave for the procedure. Their only professed reason was to stunt her growth and development to keep her small for the convenience of her parents.Tough situation? Hard to even imagine. Quote
Guest Earl Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 That may be true, although it is not among the reasons they gave for the procedure. Their only professed reason was to stunt her growth and development to keep her small for the convenience of her parents.Tough situation? Hard to even imagine. And isnt that "convenience of her parents" a very direct way of indirectly maintaining her quality of life? I mean if it gets too hard to care for her as an adult woman with an infant mind she may have been destined to end up in an instatution...at least this way she will reamin with her family and get the love she deserves and not be just another number in a medical facility. Without having done any research on this topic and knowing only what I've read here I'd say these are some parents who cried out for help and are getting it in the best way they know how. Lets just hope Heavenly Father agrees and support them. Im sure if its such an abonination, Heavenly Father could pull a few favors in to have it stopped. *wink* Quote
Outshined Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 Im sure if its such an abonination, Heavenly Father could pull a few favors in to have it stopped. *wink*I doubt it; there are many others that go on every day, but that's another thread. Quote
Guest Earl Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 <div class='quotemain'> Im sure if its such an abonination, Heavenly Father could pull a few favors in to have it stopped. *wink*I doubt it; there are many others that go on every day, but that's another thread.What do you doubt? that he Could or that he Would? Now THAT is another thread....LOL Quote
Outshined Posted February 6, 2007 Report Posted February 6, 2007 Would. I think we had a recent thread on just that... Quote
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