where will we be in eternity?

[manxman]

I believe that we will share an environment with people whom are minded as ourselves, and will do to us what we have done to others in mortality. Some of those communities will be small, some large, some near, some remote from one another, and we may not be able to leave them without changing ourselves first, if at all. So if you can stand yourself completely forever, and a community of the same around you, then I guess you'll be comfortable. We are not invited to be comfortable, we're invited to be filled with joy. Which do you want?

[Elgama]

personally I want what Heavenly Father thinks is best for me - eternity is now, its the moment in which you currently live as that is the only thing that affects your life, the past has been and the future is not yet upon you - joy is entirely in the moment. Joy is comfort - joy is not something ecstatic its living life to the best of your ability with no regrets.

If your life is eternal and you have no regrets the rest is in Heavenly Father's hands I can do no more to effect the eternities. And what I believe about it cannot change it.

-Charley

[manxman]

I have no specific disagreement with that post, but I was trying to encourage people to be better than they are doing, to aspire to personal greatness in God's eyes, that their final home might be better than it now may be. To sound a voice of both warning and comfort, as appropriate.

[Elgama]

but will it be better? if you are not happy in mortality will you be happy in eternity? I see joy and heaven as something we can obtain now. If we progress in our lives then progression in the next portion of our task will be just extension of that

-Charley

[manxman]

you misunderstand me, a person who is in transgression of divine law who does nothing more from hereon as to his spiritual health will receive as I have said, but he whom is active in keeping his spiritual health good henceforth, regardless of his present state will improve his final state in eternity from what he now has. Even if he is free from sin now and for 20yrs, he will improve his lot by gaining experience, knowledge & understanding, if nothing more. these gains can apply to the spirit, if not the physical mind.

[Elgama]

we are all in transgression of divine law none of us is perfect - I really don't understand what you are trying to say from an LDS standpoint it doesn't make a lot of sense?

Personally I think we need to concern ourselves with our own shortcomings, before we reproach others.

-Charley

[manxman]

we are all in transgression of divine law none of us is perfect - I really don't understand what you are trying to say from an LDS standpoint it doesn't make a lot of sense?

Personally I think we need to concern ourselves with our own shortcomings, before we reproach others.

-Charley

I have spoken plainly, and accused none, just sounded a warning voice to them whose consciences are dulled by sin, and consolation to them whom have a just hope. The thrust of my posts was to state the if nothing changes from hereon, an inadequately repentant sinner will find himself among his likeminded fellows, which one might not like all that much. If he makes further effort from now he will be among a different people. A truly repentant person will also be among likeminded people as himself and be happier. It should be obvious that none of these are together nor in the same society/sociality, unless the first become like unto the second or vice versa

[Elgama]

I have spoken plainly, and accused none, just sounded a warning voice to them whose consciences are dulled by sin, and consolation to them whom have a just hope. The thrust of my posts was to state the if nothing changes from hereon, an inadequately repentant sinner will find himself among his likeminded fellows, which one might not like all that much. If he makes further effort from now he will be among a different people. A truly repentant person will also be among likeminded people as himself and be happier. It should be obvious that none of these are together nor in the same society/sociality, unless the first become like unto the second or vice versa

OK this is clearly not very plain to me - I am always very uncomfortable when someone not in a church leadership position and called to do so asks others to repent - my experience has been those that do are usually in a position where they need to go to the Bishop. Are you LDS?

-Charley

[manxman]

OK this is clearly not very plain to me - I am always very uncomfortable when someone not in a church leadership position and called to do so asks others to repent - my experience has been those that do are usually in a position where they need to go to the Bishop. Are you LDS?

-Charley

LDS - Yes. I'm asking people to consider where they will be and what kind of people they want to be with in eternity. I'm offering MY reasons why I think these questions are important. I'm asking for people to consider their own situations, and act as they choose, knowing what I think the outcomes may be like, that they may be happy as they are, or do differently in the future to change the suggested eternal consequences.

[Elgama]

LDS - Yes. I'm asking people to consider where they will be and what kind of people they want to be with in eternity. I'm offering MY reasons why I think these questions are important. I'm asking for people to consider their own situations, and act as they choose, knowing what I think the outcomes may be like, that they may be happy as they are, or do differently in the future to change the suggested eternal consequences

Are you really from the Isle of Man?

Ok then like I said in my first post I don't care where I am for eternity its the moment we live in that counts - rest is in Heavenly Father's hands.

-Charley

[manxman]

No-just motorbike mad-not a biker or bikie tho'.

[MormonMama]

I'm confused. You say you are LDS, but the theory of eternity you speak of is not supported by LDS doctrine that I'm aware of.

We are, of course, always expected to strive to do our best, but only we and Heavenly Father truly know what that is (and He knows ever better than we do), and it's a very individual thing. It's not the same for everyone. We will inherit the kingdom we earn, through the grace of Christ which atones for our sins, for as Elgama said, no one on this earth is free from sin. We all sin. Without Christ's grace, no amount of effort on our part will be good enough. But neither can we just rest on our laurels and think we don't need to put in any effort either.

Also, I'm not aware of any place in scripture or doctrine that describes exactly what the kingdoms of Heaven will be like. We do not know that we will be in groups of "like-minded people", so you really should not teach such a thing as gospel fact. It is strictly your opinion, and should be treated as such.

I'm curious, is English not your first language? I ask, not to insult you, but because some of your word usage is very confusing and it is hard to understand much of what you say. I agree with Elgama, your words are not plain, though I'm sure you are trying to be. But I also agree with her that it sounds like you are telling others how they should live and what they need to do to gain a specific state in Heaven, and the truth is that we need to follow the teachings of the scriptures and church leaders, not random members who think they know what Heaven will consist of.

I hope you are not offended by what I have said, but the truth is that your posts are very confusing and do not seem to be in harmony with church teachings. I've been a member for over 12 years now, but never have I heard anything about us being categorized into groups of like-minded individuals in eternity.

[manxman]

No, just a motorbike rider who loves the racetrack there. I'm sorry you think I'm judging people or unauthorizedly calling to repentance. I'm just offering ideas for serious thought.

[manxman]

I did say it was MY opinion, and have not pretended otherwise. I will not defend it,nor take offense at your words, as I stated, it wasan idea-a though borne of logic rather than spirit, personally applied from odd things I recallled. It may not be so, but to me, it makes some sense, hence I floated the idea not to gain anything, but to see what other s think. English is my 1st language, and whilst I may have a quaint manner, I am reasonably educated in it. I did not think I was so obtuse.

Because the ideas fit into what I aleady am understanding, I will give them space-not creedence, until further light comes along. I have a believing heart, it brought me into the gospel, and though it may be risky, I'm unwilling to turn it off.

I appologize, I have drifted somewhat from the original post, which I had overlooked. your accusation that I'm being preachy or judgemental is correct. I'm sorry, I'll amend if I may to my later postings ideas, and discontinue those parts of the OP.

[skalenfehl]

I believe that we will share an environment with people whom are minded as ourselves, and will do to us what we have done to others in mortality. Some of those communities will be small, some large, some near, some remote from one another, and we may not be able to leave them without changing ourselves first, if at all. So if you can stand yourself completely forever, and a community of the same around you, then I guess you'll be comfortable. We are not invited to be comfortable, we're invited to be filled with joy. Which do you want?

I understand where you're coming from. I believe we will share an environment with like minded people. Those who lived a celestial law on earth will live in the Celestial Kingdom together, those who lived a terrestrial law on earth will inherit the Terrestrial Kingdom and so on. Whether we live in large or small communities, near or far from each other, who can really say? "In my Father's house are many mansions". That's good enough for me.

I'd rather be filled with joy and I am living my life now, or, trying to live my life now with the hope of obtaining that eternal joy.

[manxman]

Thanks for the consolation. your trailer is my situation.

[MormonMama]

I'm sorry, I just re-read my post and realized it sounds very judgmental. I really didn't mean it to, I just don't always word things well. My apologies.