punaboy Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_4035.shtmlRep. Cannon is going, and maybe voters will wise up to the fact that he is in the same pod with Hatch, and dump that neocon toady as well. Neocons, your days bossing the LDS church are numbered! New leadership is coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Originally posted by punaboy@Jun 17 2004, 01:45 PM http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_4035.shtmlRep. Cannon is going, and maybe voters will wise up to the fact that he is in the same pod with Hatch, and dump that neocon toady as well. Neocons, your days bossing the LDS church are numbered! New leadership is coming! Dude, do you even know what a "neocon" is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Starsky Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Originally posted by punaboy@Jun 17 2004, 01:45 PM http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_4035.shtmlRep. Cannon is going, and maybe voters will wise up to the fact that he is in the same pod with Hatch, and dump that neocon toady as well. Neocons, your days bossing the LDS church are numbered! New leadership is coming! All I know is that I hope that we can loose both Cannon and Hatch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Guys, before you get your left-leaning hearts in a tizzy, keep in mind that Cannon is being outflanked on the right by his primary challenger, Throckmorton, not by the Democrat who's going to get clobbered in the general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcobaleno Nero Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Duck would you please explain what a "neocon" is. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Neo = new so I would think that a neocon would be a New Conservative. Or a plain old Conservative who wants to pretend to be something else?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheProudDuck Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 "Neoconservative" originally referred to left-wing intellectuals, particularly from the New York intelligentsia who moved to the political right in the late sixties and early seventies when the Left ran completely off the rails. The term was apparently intended as an insult by the hard leftists who these new conservatives left behind. Over time, "neoconservatism" has been associated with the Austrian school of free market economics exemplified by Ludwig von Mises and F.A. Hayek, and with a Wilsonian confidence in using American influence to spread free government abroad. The term has lost much of its actual meaning lately by being used by people who don't really have any sense of what it refers to as a kind of epithet for Jewish intellectual conservatives. I doubt many people would self-identify as "neoconservatives" any more, for that reason. The people who use the phrase are generally either left-liberals, who call pretty much all conservatives "neoconservatives" now because they think it sounds somehow scarier, or the old remnant "paleoconservatives" -- the isolationist, nativist, moralist, blood-and-soil Pat Buchanan wing of conservatism, which is essentially a relic of the crusty conservatism of the 1930s, which has long been overshadowed by the more optimistic conservative vision offered by Ronald Reagan and his ideological kind. Orrin Hatch could not be a "neoconservative" because he was never anything but a conservative. And I don't think Cannon was ever a liberal either -- although his excessive tolerance for high immigration levels, legal and otherwise, certainly gives the paleoconservatives a reason not to like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Originally posted by punaboy@Jun 17 2004, 02:45 PM Rep. Cannon is going, Can you say, "fat git?" I knew you could! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanstress70 Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Originally posted by Rodney@Jun 17 2004, 08:37 PM Can you say, "fat git?" I knew you could! I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Oh, but I get it!Though you'd have to be either a Brit, Irish, Aussie or a Kiwi to get it! (It's an insult, btw! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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