seamusz

That'll date ya.

You need to read a little more in the scriptures... LOL and then do some pondering... you have... like seamus stated... got the general idea... but not the deeper more technical one... which leads to a lot more interesting knowledge and understanding... ← Actually I think that Ben is probably right. I think that it is more important to teach our childeren that every choice has its concequences, than to explain how technically it can be thought of as free agency. I think that calling it plain agency is the deeper meaning.

evil pronounced ee-vil, as in the fru-its of the de-vil.

Actually there is such a thing as free agency. Free to have agency... Free in that truth/intelligence/light = free and without this freeingness, you would not be able to use agency. ← This is a question of definition, I think that from a general perspective, Ben is right. But technally Please is right, but really you are using different definitions of "free".

Ive not heard much of the second album, would you consider it better than the first?

Yes, great song, and a great band... by the way, you an Audioslave fan? I am a fan myself... I liked Rage, I like SG, and thought that Chris Cornell and the guys from rage have a good sound, although they lack some of the depth of either of the band...

Hey, Outshined, this thread made me think of a question Ive been meaning to ask you, I was wondering if your name is from the Soundgarden song... just curious. Anyway, my views are pretty much along yours.

Its ok Please, you don't have to justify yourself to me. It's not like I can change your mind anyway... "A man (or woman) convinced against his will is of the same opinion still" lisajo, I think that it isn't a catch 22. If we consider the economic damage that huge competitive monopolies like walmart can do to our communities and our country, I think that the only way to win is to not shop at walmart. Now, I know that there are people smarter than me who can justify shopping at walmart, but all I know is that I don't think that it is good, and my gut tells me this. I feel like I'm doing the right thing by not shopping there and encouraging others to do the same.

I know... me too. I practically live there... I will most probably do all of our Christmas shopping there. ← <!--QuoteBegin-Please @Oct 5 2005, 01:12 PMMost definitely life is not fair... but I believe we need to be community minded enough to make some sacrifices... for the betterment of all... ← So I guess so much for this comment, eh Please?

It is suprising to me how many of you aren't willing to look at both sides of this issue. I posted this story on walmat a while back, it both praises walmart and also condemns walmart. I highly recommend you read it, or at least some of it. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

I've probably said all that I need to on this topic, but I will ask all of you who aren't convinced of the unethical practices and exploitation of walmart to study up on it. Also, the documentary, Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price, is out, so see if you can. You might be surprised at some of the info in it.

Sorry, I can't resist... I think that you would be surprised to find that although WM does offer jobs to unskilled laborers, this is not the cas for a majority of employees. Also, the low-priced products are priced low at the cost of the companies who sell them to wallyworld, and the underpaid/underbenifited employees. And although elitism may be a factor from some, I would contend that it is by far the minority of people. Elitists are fair-weather shoppers. I would say that the majority of people that I have talked to and seen who are vehemently against wm, are part of the middle class, who could definitely use the lower prices, but find that as a principal, they think that it is important to support those in the community around them. Not to say that people who shop at wm don't support their community on purpose, but that they aren't as informed as those who understand the danger of wm and, to a lesser degree but still a factor, other big box stores. I recently read a report put out by The NY Times comparing Walmart and Costco, that pointed out that although costco's prices are higher than walmarts, their profits are about half. Where do you think the difference is?

It is true that a father's blessing can be done without the priesthood, but the a baby blessing is an ordinance and is performed by the power of the MP, albeit not a saving ordinance. Also, any MP holder should have a valid temple recommend, if they are worthy, although I agree that to expect all people present to have there recommend handy is not very realistic. How many of us can't remember our recommend when we are on our way to the temple.

Yet another post that has been hijacked by bickering and negativity.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1811620,00.html If Shakespeeare is his real name! btw, is there any particular reason why this thread is in the "Gospel Forum"?

I found this article on Wal-Mart. Some of it contradicts some of my claim, some of it supports some of my claims. All in all it is a very well written and balanced article. I suggest you read it. http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

You know Snow, if you look hard enough, you can find a mote in anyone's eye. But unfortunately by searching for the mote, you sometimes miss the beauty of that person's face. Things Behind The Sun by: Nick Drake Please beware of them that stare They'll only smile to see you while Your time away And once you've seen what they have been To win the earth just won't seem worth Your night or your day Who'll hear what I say. Look around you find the ground Is not so far from where you are But not too wise For down below they never grow They're always tired and charms are hired From out of their eyes Never surprise. Take your time and you'll be fine And say a prayer for people there Who live on the floor And if you see what's meant to be Don't name the day or try to say It happened before. Don't be shy you learn to fly And see the sun when day is done If only you see Just what you are beneath a star That came to stay one rainy day In autumn for free Yes, be what you'll be. Please beware of them that stare They'll only smile to see you while Your time away And once you've seen what they have been To win the earth just won't seem worth Your night or your day Who'll hear what I say. Open up the broken cup Let goodly sin and sunshine in Yes that's today. And open wide the hymns you hide You find reknown while people frown At things that you say But say what you'll say About the farmers and the fun And the things behind the sun And the people round your head Who say everything's been said And the movement in your brain Sends you out into the rain. Place To Be by: Nick Drake When I was younger, younger than before I never saw the truth hanging from the door And now I'm older see it face to face And now I'm older gotta get up clean the place. And I was green, greener than the hill Where the flowers grew and the sun shone still Now I'm darker than the deepest sea Just hand me down, give me a place to be. And I was strong, strong in the sun I thought I'd see when day is done Now I'm weaker than the palest blue Oh, so weak in this need for you. From The Morning by: Nick Drake A day once dawned, and it was beautiful A day once dawned from the ground Then the night she fell And the air was beautiful The night she fell all around. So look see the days The endless coloured ways And go play the game that you learnt From the morning. And now we rise And we are everywhere And now we rise from the ground And see she flies And she is everywhere See she flies all around So look see the sights The endless summer nights And go play the game that you learnt From the morning. I surprises me how much liberty the moderators take with the content code.

While sitting here, at work, I have an artist named Nick Drake Playing on my machine. He is one of the most musically pleasing artists I have ever listened too. His album Pink Moon is one of the greatest albums ever, imo. Beautiful and mellon collie, anyone would love this album. Just thought I'd share.

Thus we should try and frequent local stores and not Walmart... I knew you'd come around!

<!--QuoteBegin-first post said Just thought I'd make a plug for a new movie that shows the darker side of Wally World. http://www.walmartmovie.com/ not a rant, just a little plug for a movie. ← LOL yeah right. ← ok, you are right... That is one short rant though.... Please... have you ever not been right?

<!--QuoteBegin-first post said Just thought I'd make a plug for a new movie that shows the darker side of Wally World. http://www.walmartmovie.com/ not a rant, just a little plug for a movie.

Actually, you are the one who said when interviewed for a recommend, you need to consider whether you shop at Walmart when they ask if you are honest in all your dealings. You said: That was pretty clear. yes, that is what I said, I did not say "As opposed to implying that those who don't shop as you do or share your hatred for a single store do are not worthy to attend the Temple?". I stand by what I said. I hope that Walmart crumbles and falls OR changes their practices. When and if they change how they do business, I will then give them as much crap as I give others. Personally I could not feel good about myself by shopping at Walmart. It is not my business to concerm myself about anyone elses Temple Recommend. I can see how that sounds really condescending, but that isn't how I mean it. Not to me; it's still supporting them and accepting their money. Anyway, what's important is how you feel about it. If you don't want to shop at Wally World, then don't; but don't condemn those who do or presume to know their motives for helping so many who are in need. Selfish or not, I saw a lot of people being helped by the supplies Walmart sent to Mississippi. ← Like I said earlier, I didn't mean to condemn anyone. I did want to make clear that we are not blameless when it comes to where we shop, and that it does matter.

I'm 39, veteran of two wars; and you? My most sincere respect for you service to the country. Thank you. 26, and trying my best to do the right thing. As opposed to implying that those who don't shop as you do or share your hatred for a single store do are not worthy to attend the Temple? Please stop putting words into my mouth. So your boss gets money from Walmart and in turn pays you for supplying them. Quite a difference. I am an employee of an ethical local company who does business with stores up and down Utah. To me there is a big difference. Anger? Bitterness? Not on this end. Perhaps you are simply reading too much into it; projecting, as it were... I may be reading to much, but that is what it is coming across as. You don't need to bow out, but attacking me personally isn't really good form in a discussoin.

From the way your posts read, older than you are...More experience in life will doubtless temper your views. lol, but not sure enough to post your age? I see... <!--QuoteBegin-Outshined@Oct 3 2005, 05:10 PM Not at all; it's fun watching someone make such foolish claims about shopping. You've been the one making such bizarre statements. Perhaps you should read back through them. So your plan is to put down those that attually care about their community and are trying to make a difference? I though this was a LDS board. Which is what, that shopping at Walmart is wrong? Moreso than accepting money from them and supporting them as a supplier? As I said, you're nothing if not entertaining...That's why I can't take you seriously. B) ← I don't accept money from walmart, I am a vendor... If it weren't for you posts laced with anger and bitterness I might be enjoying this conversation.