FlaviusHambonius
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So, let me see if I get this straight.
Absolutly no cameras, video or audio equipment allowed in the church chapel.....unless it's the church owned university or for curriculum purposes.....or if you sneak in a small audio recording device -- record it -- transcribe it -- then destroy the audio recording?
What part am I missing about Paleriders comments about absolutly none of these devices allowed in the Chapel?
So, obviously it's okay for BYU/TV or educational curiculum etc. but not for the local members/ward? Because of the handbook regulations/policy -- does that sound in the ballpark or am I way off?
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And I think this is an important component in prayer vs vain repetitions. Anciently, it was believed that if you knew the secret name of God or an angel, you could have power over that being. This is why Jacob asked for the name of the angel he wrestled with. This is why Yahweh gave his name to Moses, but commanded that it not be spoken, which is why the Jews do not repeat it, but use other terms, such as Adonai, instead.
In today's world, we do not focus so much on the power of an individual's name, per se. However, we often focus our prayers on things we ought not. How often have we prayed for excessive material goods, the power to get our revenge (like Samson), or to sin? Such would be a vain repetition, as well, even if given from the heart.
Ram,
Speaking of revenge and such, could you explain to me what the priesthood prayer or curse or whatever it is -- of the dusting off of the feet of someone who holds the priesthood towards someone.
The reason I ask is that I remember you brought up the Hi-Fi Shop murders that happened in Ogden, Ut in April of 1974.
A father of one of the victims after the funeral supposedly dusted his feet towards the murders and then from what I remember his Bishop or someone heard about this and told him that he needed to call off the curse or reverse it or something?
I have never really known the official stance of the church protocal on such things or what is really involved -- I'm sure it is highly discouraged at the very least -- if at all practiced-- or is it more myth or what?
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My Dad alway's made it know a few times over the years that he wanted to have this played at his funeral service when he passed. I lost him a little over a year ago at the age of 92.
My sister played an instumental of the song on the piano at his service.
So I wanted to post this as a personal rememberance of my Dad.
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Really? I'm going to Oregon in July and I've been feeling rather sickly lately.
I'll be about ready for a vacation by then Pam, could you stop by and pick me up on the way.
Nevermind, I remember I'm subject to a random urininalysis
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Really? I'm going to Oregon in July and I've been feeling rather sickly lately.
Yea, there's many pot shops in Cali that are legal by the state for medical reasons -- then usually the feds poke there head in and raid the place and then they fight it out in court and then the guy usually winds up opening another one, from some of the shows I've seen.
The Feds would probably leave them alone except you have bogus precriptions being filled out by a bogus doctor.
The doc diagnoses a pothead with a stubed toe and gives the person a prescription to go buy at the pot store.
It just hurts the people who use it for real problems such as cancer or glaucoma etc.
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You could probably ruin a persons reputation -- such as a celebrity like Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps, who was caught on camera smoking pot if that was your goal.
Although a picture can speak a thousand words at times, I doubt anything would happen to the average Joe -- unless you wanted to tell his parents -- but since there is no evidence other than a picture -- I don't think the law would have a leg to stand on.
People in Israel have been smoking out of Hookah's for a long time. Unless things have changed there are several states where pot is decriminalized -- usually anything under an ounce and it's no big deal.
When I was in high school I think there were about 9 states at the time with such laws, I'm not sure what is is now -- and I think Oregon was one with decrimilization along with California, Alaska and others.
In fact, I think in Alaska you can still grow it in your back yard if it's for personal use.
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Pam, you missed one- so you have a score of 19
FlaviusHambonius, you missed two (you are correct on #16 though)- your score is 18.
I double checked yours Falvius, you only got one wrong- 11. is not Who says, "Trust me".. Your score is tied with Pam, at 19
The Roman rises from the ashes!
I smell a possible playoff
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Pam, you missed one- so you have a score of 19
FlaviusHambonius, you missed two (you are correct on #16 though)- your score is 18.
Oh Man, a Roman beat by a cookie -- they ain't gonna like this on the homefront
Plus my other exuse is that I was on the tail end of the baby boom
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Well Flavious, I see one you missed. :)
Please tell me it's not #16 -- unless Iggy pulls a fast one on me and removes Ringo's name and inserts Pete Best
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I only saw them on TV - I was just a baby then- in my early teens. I thought they were horrible! I didnt like them until the song, " Hey Jude".
Blasphemy I say
Sorry I got you mixed up with someone else.
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Well, I don't know if this is really a pet peeve or not.
Many years ago when I had become active again for a brief time, I was sitting behind a family in Sacrament meeting -- and on the far side of the family was their daughter and her boyfreind.
I'm not exagerating when I say that this young teenage girl could not keep her hands off of this boyfreind.
She sat next to him the whole meeting stroking his back (as he was leaning forward most of the time) up and down, side to side, then in circular motions -- then whisper something in his ear and then repeat the same process over and over ad nausem.
I tried to focus on the speakers (as I certainly know they were not) but quite frankly it was all I could do to accomplish such a feat -- I always found my lurking eyes going back to them.
I know it was young infatuation or young love and innocent or whatever, but believe me when I say that I seriously thought there might be a chance of me throwing up over both of them and ruining the moment for them -- what a shame that would have been.
Perhaps if a water hose would have fell out of the sky, I would have hosed them both down and it also would have been handy for the cleanup of my regurgitation.
Actually I would have been happy just to have a conceiled squirt gun and when she went for one of her passionate whispers, I would have blasted her right in the smakers......just kidding of course.
Seriously, I had never observed anything like it in all of my years growing up in the church.....a little affection shown to your mate in church....yes....but nonstop throughout a meeting....no.
I think she must have had a Pink Bunny battery in that arm of hers.
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Happy Birthday PC,
I enjoy your comments and perspectives on all sorts of topics -- enjoy the Tiramasu!
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Thanks Iggy, that was the most fun I've had all day.
As I recall, didn't you get to see the lads from Liverpool once upon a time?
I'm still smarting over missing McCartney last year in SLC.
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I had MMM by Juanita Brooks kicking around for years and finally made time to read it a couple of months ago.
I bought Blood of The Prophets by Bagley a few months ago along with a bunch of others and want to read it soon, along with Murder at Mountain Meadows.
I'm currently reading 'Conflict in The Quarom' by James Bergera -- about the conflicts between Joseph Smith -- Orson Pratt and Brigham Young. (I had to throw in a plug, so far it's juicy)
MMM by Juanita Brooks was a great book I thought -- it left a bad taste in my mouth about the church playing hide and seek with the facts and covering some of the brethern behinds -- such as Haight and Hamblin and others and leaving John D. Lee out to dry as the scapegoat.
It seems Brigham basically disowned his adopted son.
What I thought was a powerful read was the last testimony of John Lee -- before the execution. He said many things, but among them was his disbelief of Brigham Young being a prophet of God -- but his belief of Joseph Smith being a prophet of God remained firm to the end.
What is also interesting is that the church restored all of John Lee's priesthood blesings years later after his excommunication and execution -- that struck me rather strange.
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It really gets under my skin when someone has to give the opening prayer and instead of folding their arms they have to feel a need to grab with both hands the pulpit.
I have never seen a woman do it. It has always been men.
I've seen General Authorities grab the pulpit while praying and it bothers me. i think it is a strange gesture.... like putting both hands in your pockets while praying. Its just strange to me. I know its not a life or death thing but a pet peeve i should consider working on. Does this bother anyone else too? I must be wierd lol.
I know it is something i need to work on.
I think the feeling that everyone is supposed to fold your arms while praying probably stems from the fact that it was taught to all the youngsters in sunday school -- that it was a sign of reverance -- to fold your arms and bow your head.
Perhaps it has become a cultural thing for most without even knowing or thinking about it.
My personal feeling about it is -- a prayer is a prayer is a prayer -- doesn't matter one iota what you do with your arms and hands, just as long as it is said with a sincere heart and real intent is what is important.
I would tend to grab onto the podium -- I think I would be uncomfortable folding my arms.
I think it's what the person feels most comfortable with is all that matters.
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Well, they're intestinal fortitude certainly seems like a facade, at least since revolutionary times -- whereas their arrogance seems always to be up to snuff -- maybe sarcasm is the new fad.
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I just heard about this on the radio on the way home from work.
Father of The 5 Browns recovering from crash, facing sex charges - ksl.com
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Yup. President Hinckley has already been cited, in this thread, as basically saying "we don't know"--which might be perceived as a softening of President Kimballs' and Elder McConkie's statements of the 1970s and 1980s.
But it's certainly not something you'll want to bring up in your Gospel Doctrine class.
Brigham Young preached it -- Spencer W. Kimball denounced it -- Bruce R. McConkie called it heresy -- and Gordon B. Hinkley said "we don't know" .......alrighty then, it's all cleared up!
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When the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978, Bruce R. McConkie retracted what he had said previously:
Forget everything I have said, or what...Brigham Young...or whomsoever has said...that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.
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I think that there are many people that grow up in the church and have a testimony only to find out usually later in life that there is a lot more to the church than the sanitized version of what was taught. I'm referring to mostly the historical aspects but even more specifically to the foundational history.
Sometimes people feel deceived or angry -- but those feelings usually come after much research and reading -- but then I suppose some of those people feel at peace after such a journey because of the realization that they only need the Saviour -- instead of what they perceive as all of the legalisim as some call it -- in the LDS church.
It can become quite a anxious journey for some who are truley searching for the truth in there own mind and heart -- especially when it comes between something they have believed or all they have known all of there lives.
Some LDS members attend church who have come to the belief that Joseph Smith was not who he claimed he was -- but yet they still attend and make sure that they're children attend and are involved because they love the people and the social aspects and that it is a good way to bring up kids in such an environment -- even though they do not believe in the doctrines of the church -- either secretly or in the open.
Anyway, I think that foundational history and issues that some become aware of can cause one to become inactive or eventually leaving the church.
Some members when going through such a journey can also resolve some of these issues and even become stronger in their faith after going through such turmoil.
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Why would you or anyone believe that the Holy Ghost is taken from you? While I believe that the Holy Ghost will not dwell in unholy places -- to me it sounds as if you are saying it is taken away until you are re-baptized and confirmed and if that is the case then it sounds as if you are saying that the only possibility that the Holy Ghost is given, is to the LDS members.
If you are in the repentance process and striving to overcome your weakness with a true heart, why would you not have the possibility to have the companionship of the Holy Ghost to guide you during these troubling times.
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Flavious...the guy made a fuss on purpose, and the blogsphere's picked up on it, precisely because people do not agree with the rules of the game. There is a sense that the security measures being taken on overkill and helter skelter. We're frisking nuns (yes, terrorists can dress like nuns), and conducting very detailed scans of people. All this costs money and time, and makes many feel like unconvicted criminals.
So, he protests. He used a publicity stunt to highlight his disagreement. Many others feel the same. And, indeed, this is now a big discussion topic, so mission accomplished. He's not necessarily a good guy or a bad guy. He's a guy with a message, who apparently was willing to risk some severe penalties because he believed (correctly) that many would agree with him.
He may be no Dr. Martin Luther King. On the other hand, he just may have a point.
Well, if this guy can stir the bowl enough to get enough Americans to rise up and try to have policys and procedures changed through the proper channels, then bully for him.
Until then this was just another man with an agenda that was thought out well in advance or 'publicity stunt' instead of events that spontaneously irked him enough to cause a stink.
The airport security people are just doing what they have been trained to do -- so let them do it. If people have these feelings of being violated then those people need to take their uprising to the politicians and lawmakers -- not to the airport security personel.
Until things change, if they ever do, then all I can say is 'Render unto Caesar' or invest in a Vespa.
The story about the baby that JAG provided is just sad and wrong and procedures should be modified for such rare cases.
I just hope that nothing slips through the cracks and a airplane full of passengers falls from the sky. If that happens then I'm sure the populace might start re-thinking their outcry of being 'scanned' or 'groped' or 'patted down'.
I'm going to take a guess that the people traveling to and from Israel are not feeling 'violated' -- should we be any less concerned? -- especially in this day and age?
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Well, my opinion is that they should not have refunded his airfare ticket. He knew what the rules and policies were going into the airport unless he lives on another planet.
On the other hand I do think it would be overkill to fine him $11,000 for refusal to play the game. Since he felt the need to make it known to the world through his blog in playing the victim role, who knows what will happen.
I have not one bit of sympathy for this guy, and although I think the fine would be excessive, I actually would get a chuckle out of it I suppose.
It's pretty black and white -- you want to fly, then you know the drill -- if you don't want to go through all the procedures of security checks, then ride a bike, train or drive a car or take a boat.
Until the current procedures change -- it's really not rocket science is it?
Gov. Perry's Rally
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It's amazing to me that in this day and age we can finally elect a black President, but yet we cannot elect a man because of his religious affiliation.
We have come a long way, but just can't seem to get over the hump yet. It's a sad story of the mentality of some of the people of this country, and even a sadder story of their so called 'spirituality' to judge someone just because of his religious beliefs.
Just wanted to clarify that I'm talking about the LDS gentlemen running for President, not the Gov. of Texas.