FlaviusHambonius
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Seriously, what's the deal with shedding tears over a celebrity death? I don't get it. If you knew the person, then sure, but otherwise it's just another person dying, as a quarter of a million other people do every day. The difference is, you happened to know his/her name.
As a non-crier for celebrity deaths, I sense that it's somehow inauthentic for someone to truly mourn the passing of a person s/he didn't know and had never met. I don't necessarily disbelieve that some here shed tears over Michael Jackson's death; I just don't know what to make of such a bizarre-seeming thing.
Was it inauthentic for a Latter Day Saint to truly mourn the passing of Gordon B. Hinckley?
Chances are practically 99% of them didn't know him personally or had met him, but I am quite sure most members mourned over his loss in different ways--some through tears and some not.
Some probably didn't have much of an emotional reaction at all--given they're faith and beliefs in the afterlife, they just felt he was going to a much better place.
It probably wasn't just because they knew his name--but because they had an attachment or bond to him in various ways.
I'm sure it was the same for those who had a bond or attachment to Michael Jackson or whoever the celebrity might be.
As for me-- his death just made me reflect down memory road to my childhood since I was the same age as him and remember him singing and dancing as a kid and made me remember what a great childhood I had back then--and how old I am now!
They didn't call him 'Wacko Jacko' for nothing later in life due to his circumstances and personal choices--but then again I didn't have to live in his shoes.
I didn't shed any tears like many of his devout followers, but I do feel that we lost probably one of the greatest--if not greatest entertainers of our time.
The loss of John Lennon did shake me a little at the time--even though he was a terrible father to his first son Julian for the most part-- he was trying to be the best Father he could be to his second son Sean at the time of his murder--six shots with a .38 caliber pistol in the back-- in the presence of his wife.
Lennon had a very complex and lonely life as a youngster that most people don't know about--his Father left--he was raised by his Aunt Mimi and then his Mother (who he was starting to get close to again after several years) was struck by a car and killed when he was only 16 or 17.
Anyway I suppose your right, most people couldn't give a rats behind when somebody dies, unless it's family or a few friends and sometimes I even wonder about that--especially the so called friends.
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The hardhearted side of my tried desperately not to be affected by his death. I read one or two of the earlier reports where they didn't know if he was dead or in a coma, then as I tried to watch some catchup tv, and found the programme I wanted to watch wasn't featured, I turned on the BBC News channel and ended up watching about 2 hours of reports about the day's events.
By the end of that, after listening to tributes to him, comparisons between his death and those of Elvis and John Lennon, even a reference to The day the dance died (or something very similar!), I shed some tears. I'm not really a hardhearted person, I have to recognise that he wasn't found guilty of the child molestation charges against him, even tho I am one of those that remained sceptical about his innocence, but you summed it up Funky, about paying off the offender if he really was guilty..
I grew up in the 60's and 70's, was a big fan of Donny Osmond and still liked Michael and the Jackson 5, bought some of his early 80's albums too..It is a sad day for his family and his fans.
Don't want to overlook Farrah Fawcett either, she was one of my screen heroes in the late 70's and I remember desperately trying to get hairdressers to make my brown tresses just like hers, it never worked, lol :)
You might be thinking of the phrase 'The Day The Music Died' A line in the song 'American Pie' written by Don McLean--The Day The Music Died is in reference to Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J.P. (Jiles Perry) Richardson, otherwise known as 'The Big Bopper'
going down in a plane crash in 1959 and killing all three of the recording artists.
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I think that you did the right thing by going to the Bishop--especially since this has ben going on for years.
Your Dad is a very sick puppy who has been putting on a front for far too long. Sadly this is probably far too common within the church, as far as addiction to porn--just my speculation.
I would ask your Bishop to release your Dad from his Boy Scout calling immediately if not sooner-- or ask your Dad to request to be released--if not, then I would threaten going to the parents.
Your Dad been living a big lie for years now--frankly I don't know how your Dad could have been still active in church putting on the 'front' all of these years and especially attending the Temple with all of this on his conscience--actually I wonder if he has one--denial can be a powerful thing.
I think by you carrying out on this (Bishop) you will be doing your Dad a big service in the long run--temporally and spiritually-- by not doing anything, the cycle will continue.
Porn is bad enough to get addicted to-- but when he escalates his craving by delving into rapes, incest etc. it is definitley time to get some past due help.
I admire you for not punching him out when you found out he viewed the rapes involving women of color--daughter in law scenerio.
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I think your husband is blowing smoke to intimidate you from getting baptized. I really don't think he would leave you because of that.
However if he is serious-- then let him leave and tell him not to let the door hit him in the backside on the way out or better yet just boot him out.
I could not imagine living like that with someone holding that over your head. If he has no more commpassion for you, for something you hold sacred, and that you feel will bring happiness to your life, then let him go and wish him well--I'll bet you that if you tell him this that he will not leave, or if he does he will be back soon afterword.
Do you want this hanging over your head for years to come, hopeing something will happen to convince him otherwise? I certainley hope not. Do not let him dictate how you will worship--do not let him dictate how you will live your life and what choices you will or will not make because of his insecurities.
Your old enough to make your own decisions and blaze your own trail as far as life choices, and young enough to find someone that want's the same things you do.
Is your new found faith or your insecure husband more important to you? It's your decision.
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R.I.P. Michael. When he was with his brothers, they were awesome!
I agree with you Carl,
Even in the early years they really kicked it and Michael was always dancing circles around his brothers throughout all the years.
Being so young and successful definitely has it drawbacks for some entertainers which usually come out sooner rather than later.
In Michael's case it seems to have been the opposite.
Although the brothers had talent, they pretty much rode on the back of Michael (IMO)
I can remember when it was a battle of the Jacksons and the Osmonds--Michael vs. Donny in the creampuff world of Pop back then in the late 60's and into the 70's.
The Tryrant that his Dad (Joe Jackson) was certainley didn't help matters much.
I think Katherine they're Mother was the only stability in the family--but in the end she pretty much let Joe's ambition and greed run the show.
I'm the same age as Michael and Donny and those early years surely bring back fond memories like they were yesterday-- a great time to grow up in.
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I'm just going out on a limb here and taking a wild guess as for the consumption of such songs.
Perhap's it's kind of like the 'Misery loves company' syndrome. Maybe most people really do hate someone or something and sort of relate to it in some fashion.
Perhaps it's the consumers way of venting in a round about way. I would like to be able to hear the song, but I'm at work and it's filtered--when I get home I'll check it out and hoprfully won't get hooked on it.
I do remember hearing a song or two by 'Ugly Kid Joe' back then.
It could just be because of the younger age group and rebelious stage of some as to why it did and now does have some appeal.
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A woman, while at the funeral of her own mother, met a guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing. She believed him to be her dream guy so much that she fell in love with him right there, but never asked for his number and could not find him. A few days later she killed her sister..
Question: What is her motive for killing her sister?
If you get the answer right..I'm taking you off my email list, my facebook, my lds.net friends list and my Christmas list.
She killed the sister because the sister called her bluff about fawning over a man who she had never met--when she should have been mourning over her departed Mother!
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Go AWay Little Girl---Gerry Goffin and Carole King (Donny Osmond hit)
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Okay, speaking of flies,
When I was a kid in the 60's I was attending Sacrament meeting and we had a lady from a different ward singing a solo as part of the service. I was on the front row and off to the side just a little, so I was literally just a few feet away from where she was singing.
As I sat and watched this performance, there was a fly that was buzzing around and finally made it's way near her--the fly buzzed around a little bit and as she was singing I guess the fly decided to get a closer look at what the inside of this lady's mouth looked like--and yes flew right into her mouth.
It startled her for but just a split second with a funny grimace on her face--and then she resumed singing without missing a beat.
I looked at my buddy sitting next to me and we both smiled to verify 'did you just see that' kind of reaction.
Everytime I have thought of that over the years, I always thought of what a trooper this lady was and acted like nothing happened.
Oh yea, the fly never came back out---True story.
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Dance The Night Away----Van Halen
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Trust yout senses--if your hearts not in it--let it go--especially after just a few months of time invested.
His getting defensive about things you want to discuss is definitley not a good sign.
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I think you cross the line as soon as you start having lustful thought and fantasies about her.
As far as the drool, perhaps the guy just came from the dentist -- so that's exusable!
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If the album title is one of the songs on the album.
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YOu mean someone actually still wears Hai Karate?
Pam,
You wouldn't believe the women that flock around me after I throw some of that stuff on--that old comercial wasn't lying.
You do believe me don't you?
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Ok. So I get that not EVERY salesman in the world is a jerk. Pale.....you are off my hit list. And I get that they will do anything to make the deal. I am not even talking about that. I think one can work a deal without being a jerk.
I am talking about the kind of salesman that talks down to you just because you are a woman. Heck, we were buying a mini van! Who do they think was going to drive the dang thing? You'd think they were bright enough to cater to the woman! We went to one dealership and the guy wouldn't even shake my hand once I extended it. He talked exclusively with my husband. He would even answer my questions to my husband. My husband thought he was a jerk too and we told him we weren't interested in doing business with him considering four other guys could beat his price. That's when he got rude and arrogant.
He was the worst of the bunch. But I must say I felt I was going back in time with regards to how women are treated.
I am also talking about the kind that will be sooo helpful before they make the deal and completely hard to work with after you sign papers. They kind that dodge the agreements they made and make you look like you are bothering them when you call.
I agree with you Misshalfway, this particulair guy does sound like a jerk.
My old girlfriend always did her homework and has for years to the T's when purchasing an automobile, as I think many women do.
You would think that type of car-salesmen would get a clue nowadays and let that stigma about women being ignorant about such things go.
Sadly I think many in the parts/service department still try to take advantage of women.
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Sea of Love--- John Phillip Baptiste (aka Phil Phillips)
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You guy's have it all backwards--with this new shift I'm on the last nine months, I have to get up at 3:30 a.m. and be to work at 4:30 a.m.
Years back I worked a swing shift that got off at 1:00 a.m. and I would stay up until 3:00 a.m. or later on average.
I'm also luck to get about 4 hours of sleep--I just can't seem to get to bed at 7:30--8:30 like I should--especially in the summertime.
Maybe when I get up at 3:30 like I do at present, I will have to get on my computer and see who all the night owls are---whoo whoo.
Working for the DoD means we have to keep the war-machines up and going.
Looking on the bright side--I work a 4-10 hour work-week and usually get a 3 day weekend.
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I can't imagine not being able to smell all of the wonderful things in life--Flowers, the aroma of food cooking, perfume as a woman passes by.....and then of course my Hai Karate after shave.
To miss the taste of wonderful food would be missing out on a great blessing in life.
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Boo Boo and Yogi-- Jellystone Jam Band
Ok, I'm full of it I know--I'll have to think of somekind of casper The Freindly Ghost type of tune or something--I'll have to think on that one awhile--tuff one.
Boo is still up.
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Thank you for the compliment. Okay here is another one: The usage of mascara and eyeliner. Did you know that at one time this was considered to be something only hussies and loose women used. What if personal preferences against such eye beautification products were declared to be something Mormon women must avoid?
:)
In that case, I would venture to say that there would be a whole lot of modern day Mormon hussies walking around. If you mess with women and their makeup products, you would be better off standing in front of a fire breathing dragon after he had consumed massive amounts of stromboli.
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I cant believe I put 'Me and You and You'----I just got off work--Thanks Johnny---My brain needs to catch up with my typing.
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Me and You and You and a Dog Named Boo---Lobo
I think Johnny R beat ya T
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Luck Be A Lady Tonight----Frank Sinatra
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While I find sales people who work for commissin of any kind rather overbearing...I sometimes have to remind myself that this is how they earn their living. I used to work next door to a used car lot and got to know the guys quite well. They all had families and would talk about how they had to always set aside money in case they had a bad month. It's pressure on them to earn a living as well.
Exactly. It's a feast or famine buisness and I tend to think it's much more famine in today's economy.
I couldn't take the pressure of being in the buisness, unless I was retired -- I the stress would be much less.
When you have mouths to feed, the pressure is on big-time.
Although I understand people's impression of car salesmen, I guess I have been lucky for the most part, but then I usually let them know they will have much more luck with me if they do not hound me.
Another celebrity death
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Hello Seanette,
I think people react differently about grief, and I think it is a very personal thing to most people--In no way would I say-- that just because someone that has a different reaction to the greiving process than another individual should be called cold, callous, unfeeling etc. especially if that person feels he needs to keep those emotions in check for various reasons--it should be personal and private for that individual. (IMO)
Other people just tend to show their emotions more outwardly--it just comes naturally to them--it's just part of their makeup.
Most people just considered MJ as a great entertainer and will have wonderful memories--whereas for example I watched a snippit about MJ on the boob tube the other day how some in the Phillipines were reacting to his passing--many in that culture consider him a god of sorts--and said as much.
I'm sure some LDS probably didn't mourn over the passing of Pope John Paul, the same way as most Catholics did--just as I'm sure most Catholics didn't mourn over the passing of Preident Hinkley the same way as most Latter Day Saints.
I'm sure most people on both sides had admiration and respect for these men--but perhaps the mourning process was a little different for both faiths, simply because of the way they affected individual lives.
On 9/11 we were all affected with that horrific event--we mourned for the lives of the victims and to the effects that it would have on their families. We mourned for our nation.
But the fact is (IMO) that those people who had loved ones inside those buildings were profoundly more effected in a personal way.
When my Mom passed away in 1992, due to complications of open heart surgery, it happened so fast that it just seemed surreal to me-- I was very close to her, and quite frankly couldn't understand why I wasn't falling to pieces as far as the greiving process--my comfort was that she didn't suffer for long and I knew she was in a much better place with loved ones who had gone before her.
It was as time went by that it really began to hit me hard--that she wasn't there to visit or pick up a phone and talk to her-- to hear her advice and loving spirit.
I apologize for getting off of the celebrity deaths topic--just sharing some thoughts--my mind is starting to wander down memory lane again.
One last point: Seanette, your point about these celebrity's as being strangers is a good one--in reality that's true. But due to the media attention over the years and perhaps books people read on these individual lives, perhaps they really don't seem like a total stranger to some people--they sort of feel like they know them in some capacity or another and perhaps that explains the bond or attraction and thus the mourning in various degrees.