JohnnyRudick

Excelent. Thanks;-)

This brings back to mind of my earlier comments about the Scitzoid account of who God is of the Council of Nicea. The hatred of those people against the plain people of the mountain villages who believed in a begotten son of an Eternal Father does not earn any of my respect. And the god that they came up with to supplant it? One who talks to himself, answers himself and is besides himself? We can have no commonality with such people. Bro. Rudick

Whoa. I have no hostility using the term "Christiandumb" or any other playful usages of our colorful language. I just did not twist the knife as you did in your example of "How would you like. . ." There are those who are merely "dumb" about the truth of the Restored Church and the Scripture that surrounds it. God sends His missionaries to them to help them walk in the Light He has brought them. Then there are those of whom God says "willingly are ignorant" and trust in "profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called." I am not so tender about their feelings but as you say. to clutter the air with so much heat and so little light helps no one and I regret I went there. Bro. Rudick go Then

Exactly;-) The so called "originals" that he was referring to was the "Textus Receptus", and the German was still the same text only translated into German by Luther. Translating from these languages helps us get around the difficulties of the problems you state above and helps us zero in on the point we are trying to make. But Joseph Smith was not changing what God said as the French translation did which were translated from the corrupt texts I have made remark of earlier. And to Korihor. If there is a God, and there is. And if he had children, and He does. He would speak to them. And He does. I have read just about everything you have and have heard all the arguments. I imagine you must breath just about every anti-Mormon publication written. The things I see written by you has the spirit of these publications as the underlying foundation. You cannot know the truth of God by the knowledge of man. This Truth only comes by the Holy Ghost. He must bear witness to you of this truth. You must wish to have this witness before you can receive it and then choose to not only believe it but Love the Truth that was witnessed to you. God has declared the truth of what I have testified and I speak not of my own knowledge. I could quote the many Scripture that declare this Truth but you would not believe it anyway. I pray in the name of Jesus Christ that a witness will come to you to show you the Truth but then the "ball is in your court". Do with it as you will or as many do, continue to rail against the truth you know. The Church scares you as you know if there is a True Church, this is it. May God help you. In Jesus name. Bro. Rudick.

It seems I have read something almost exactly like that. I was not offended and I am sorry if I may have hurt your feelings at least a little and I apologize. I was not pointing at anyone in particular just as the writer of a similar verse was not particularly attacking me. But when you are wrong you are just plain wrong. I must profess I am wrong on many things. But where the Scripture is plain I try to let it do the talking for me. It cuts down the odds at least a little. Bro. Rudick

Well, I must say we have quite a pile of puddin; here;-) I love your answers. They are good enough for me;-) We like the poor one who is stumbling at the "stick" of Ezekiel (I answer this elsewhere) can get ourselves bogged down wondering just how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or even if they should dance at all:-] Hummmmm It seems that most all Christiandumb declares the Schizophrenic God of Nicia counsel. We on the other hand insist on the Scriptural account of God backed up by what we have seen and heard. Yes, we have many different ways off describing what we call the Godhead, yet we know Elohim is the Father(kicks us off mainly in the first part of Genesis). Jehovah (Jesus) is the Son(and deals with us throughout the rest of Scripture). And The Holy Ghost is a person of spirit and we are not told the particulars of this individual. It is fairly uniform that we pray to the Father in the name of the Son. I can find no problem with it. Jesus says to pray to the Father in His name. That should settle it. If we get off track, just read the instructions and get back with the program;-) These are the revealed words of God to us and the world. I think this is sufficient to get us into enough trouble in this world. I am a simple man. A simple mind. Getting simpler all the time. I did strain at gnats back in the 80's. Got tired of swallowing camels by the 90's. Wish I was as smart then as I am now. Wish I had now the mind I had in the 70's:-]. Sheesh!!! Later, Bro. Rudick

Dates Approximate;-/ First moved to Seldovia. Then Palmer To Kinik Then Wasilla Back to Palmer (in town) To Eagle River (1956) Chugiak (1957) Eagle River (1858) Seward (1859) Eagle River (1962) Peter's Creek (1963) Left State (1965-1967) Eagle River (1967-1970) Left state (1970) Thanks for letting me share;-) Bro. Rudick

Me tooooo;-) Thanks;-] Bro. Rudick

I will try to give a small account of myself, try to get most of it correct and to not bore you in the process;-] I shoot my mouth off every once in a while and it may be a good idea to give you some idea where I am coming from;-) I was born in a humble log home. . .;-) Not really;-) A hospital in Seattle back in 1950. Moved to Alaska in 1951 and lived there till about 1970. I had the opportunity to visit the lower 48 from time to time throughout my childhood. I was able to do this only because I lived with foster parents from the time I was 5 to the time I was 9. I was able to then get back with my own family till the time I was 12.. At that time my parents were divorced and I was again back with foster parents. AT 15 I was in Seattle till I was 16 then spent time running wild up and down the West Coast. Back in Alaska at 17 till around 1970 at which time I went to work in the oil fields of the Southwest. I was injured in the oil fields but continued to work in that profession until I could not do it any longer and later continued to work truck driving, cab driving, working in stores and working as a janitor and grounds keeper in different stake houses of the Church during the times I worked in the Church buildings I was able to use the Church libraries and read just about every book available. Many times when people would come by curious about the Church as I referred them to the missionaries and tried to get their information, I would also try to answer their many questions and many times they would send me back to the books to learn more of what they would bring up. I have written many pamphlets trying to explain gospel doctrine and scriptural history. Some years ago I had to give it up as my health would not allow me to continue. I have failing mental abilities as well as physical and over the last 15-20 years have lost many of my note books and books of study as well and many of my life possession. I am doing quite well to keep a roof over my head and get around. Actually when I think about it I am doing quite well;-) I am glad I am not having to write this on a typewriter as it would never get done;-) I was born into a Roman Catholic family. At 12 I went to live with couple who I had lived with before I went back with my family. It was nice as I already was familiar with them and I liked the lady very well. Just before I went to live with them she had a crises of faith in which she had a series of dreams in which she learned that two men would come to her door shortly and she was to listen to the message they would bring for they would answer her questions. I moved in with them as she started the missionary lessons. She and I believed the message they brought and agreed to join the Church. I had contact with my mother and brothers and sister and from time to time was allowed to visit and write back and forth with them. I could not resist telling them about the church and was able to see my mother and brothers and sister along with a couple of my Roman Catholic aunts join the church. One of my aunts even became a temple worker;-) Even though she has been long gone I know she is guiding the departed into greater opportunities in their lives as was her delight while she was with us. I know that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the one true church on the earth today. I know that the Priesthood authority was restored to us in order to allow the setting up of His Church in these last days for the last time. I know we have all we need to do His work and know enough of what we need to know to do the work that is needed to be accomplished at this time in the Scripture that is provided to us and in the words of His living prophets. I believe we can rely on the Scripture He has provided us and that they are in the condition He has determined we are to have them and they are true and reliable. I believe that any problem in Scripture we think we have come across, can be resolved with a little study. A person who only reads Scripture from time to time, one part here and one part there will only continually run into problems in Scripture. This is the true and only Church of Jesus Christ. The Scriptures are God's words to us and He has given us living prophets in these last Days. This I declare to all the world, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Ummmmmmmmm. O. . . K. . .????:-] And to Nimrod. The KJB is the only Scripture of that volume you can trust except where it was corrected in the corrected works of Joseph Smith. All the other versions you find out there are only "versions" of the KJB. Any problems you may find in the KJB can be sorted out with a little study. I have already given you an outline as to why this is so. Why there is differences between the opposing versions with the KJB. This reminds me of the conversations I see about which church is right. They keep saying All of them can't be right, yet it does not seem right to say that one ie right and all the rest are wrong. Well, what is, IS. Except that which ain't;-] Later. Bro. Rudick;-)

Nimrod wrote another time "NETBible: Ezekiel 37:16 I believe the term "Stick" in this verse does not mean a literal stick. One version uses the word "carve" to explain the writing. This suggests it is an actual stick that you would widdle (sp?) on." I think it is too easy to get caught up in "counting angels on the head of a pin".;-) God has many times asked men to do simple things to show a picture of a larger truth. Many times it is a thing that will come about more then once and in a couple of different ways. Like asking someone to walk around naked for three years;-) Isaiah 20:2&3 Or Go marry a whore:-[ Hosea 1:2. God is here merely asking Ezekiel to show two different things and mark them to identify their distinction. God is then telling Ezekiel what he will do. The sticks may represent nations records or even both. Sometimes the answer is too simple and we refuse to see the simplicity of it. Be of good cheer. God has restored a record of a people separated by many waters. "Genesis 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: Genesis 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: Genesis 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:) Genesis 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: Genesis 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren." He also reunited a kingdom split in two under His servant David. 1 Samuel. God will in the last days bring the 10 lost tribes of Israel and unite them with the tribe of Judah making them one in His hand. God is only showing a picture of what He has and will accomplish. The "sticks" are only tools. And a stumbling stone to some;-) Later. Bro. Rudick. .

Yes, these are from the corrupt Latin Vulgate of Jerome and Company and are the root of the confusion we have today in Bible translations. The people of this earth are tossed hither, thither and yawn because of the mischief of these pretended christian leaders and scholars. No. They cannot all be right. Only one line of texts. The Byzantine type texts of Erasmus's Textus Receptus. Surviving texts may bot be the oldest but they were not found in the trash either. Later, Bro. Rudick;-)

Well. Counterfeit stories of the divine would be included in the conspiracy of which I speak. Stories like that, yes;-) is a part of it. Thanks for asking;-] Bro. Rudick

You will find very few Bible Professors who will understand let alone admit the deliberate split in bible genealogy parentage and it's deliberate deceptions. I have tried to lay out the outline of what and why this deception and confusion exists. If we choose to ignore the conspiracy that exists to confuse the Scriptural history we will never understand the true nature of the beast we are dealing with. 1 Nephi 13:25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God. 1 Nephi 13:26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of a great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. 1 Nephi 13:27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. 1 Nephi 13:28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. 1 Nephi 13:29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest-- because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God--because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.

I hope this helps someone at least a little. Note. Look how many times the bible perversions say Holy Spirit along with the use of the churches of this world. Also look at our correction of the term that corresponds with the KJB in our prayers as in Baptism. Amen? Found in some of my old notebooks. Soooooooo, wrote a little down. Good luck with it;-) "I must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard. ...I'm afraid I'm in trouble with the Lord...We laid the ground- work; I sat with the translator; I wrote the preface... I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; it's wrong, it's terribly wrong; it's frighteningly wrong; and what am I going to do about it?...I can no longer ignore these criticisms I am hearing and I can't refute them... When questions began to reach me at first I was quite offended. However, in attempting to answer, I began to sense that something was not right about the NASV. Upon investigation, I wrote my very dear friend, Mr. Lockman, explaining that I was forced to renounce all attachment to the NASV...the product is grievous to my heart and helps to complicate matters in these already troublous times...The deletions are absolutely frightening...there are so many...Are we so naive that we do not suspect Satanic deception in all of this?... I don't want anything to do with it...[t]he finest leaders that we have today...haven't gone into it [the new version's use of a corrupted Greek text], just as I hadn't gone into it...That's how easily one can be deceived...I'm going to talk to him[Dr.George Sweeting, then president of Moody Bible Institute] about these things... [Y]ou can say the Authorized Version [KJV] is absolutely correct, How correct? 100% correct... If you must stand against everyone else, stand. Dr. Frank Logsdon The Bible believers have always known it. Those who learn to believe and trust the Bible come to know it. The adage really applies here. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." The corrupted texts referred to are the ones I have been warning about for years. They are the text from the Vatican library, and from a waste basket in a monastery near Mt. Sinai. These texts were developed by a scholar named Origen of Alexandra Egypt. With the help of the likes of Irenaeus, Aquilla and Cyprian. The contents of these Manuscripts were had by the King James translators in the form of Jerome's Latin version of the Bible and the Rheims bible from France. We are told by most sources today Jerome translated from the Hebrew. Yet his translation agrees with the Corrupt texts the above scholars, yet against the Masoretic text of the Hebrews. Yes, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did agree with the 1582 Rheims version. The King James translators knew better then to use these translations as they knew they were based on leavened manuscripts. Most of the Scholars today know better also, yet... These corrupt texts were had from Egypt. Alexandria Egypt. Two Choices. The source of these corrupt, leavened bibles we are buried in today is Alexandrian philosophers. They've had a very comfortable existence. Through out history they have been under the protection of the Roman Church. Or; The "SYRIAN" or Byzantine text which is identical I'm told with the prevalent Greek text of the Middle Ages; It is NOT the Latin Vulgate! It is the Greek Vulgate of the first and second centuries, and it stands in opposition to the EGYPTIAN texts, of the Vaticanus-B which the other Vatican manuscripts agree the most with, the (B) being the best represented of them. It was the Syrian text which had it's beginnings in Antioch Syria. This is the Bible. This is the Book quoted by God in the Book of Mormon. It leaves a trail of blood that can be traced through-out history. From where they were first called Christians, Acts 11:26, to "the end" this trail crimson trail is easily traced. The old common Latin (not the high Latin of the scholars) of the Donatists, Montanists, Novatians, and Waldenses survived against persecution beyond belief. The King James translators had three of these Bibles. They had the works of Beza, Erasmus, and Stephanus, the Complutensian and the Antwerp Polyglots. These Masoretic, Syrian and the Ana-Baptist Bibles all stood together against the Vatican bibles of France, Rome, and Egypt. The King James translators were much more cautious then modern Bible perverters. Our man at the beginning of this article for instance. Origen's Hoax Origen's first work in "Textual Criticism" was his famous Hexapla. That is Hex- app-le. I call it a Hex apple. Of course it was a six column language comparison of translations. The first column contained what was left of the Masoretic text after Origen and friends got through with it. The second column was a Greek transliteration of the first column. The third contained the Greek version of a man named Aquilla. He is the man that gave us the legend of the northern mercenary soldier named Panther who went to Bethlehem and became the father of a blond blue eyed Jew named Jesus Christ. He thought the Greek word for "virgin" was a mistake and thought it aught to be Panther. Humm Strange. The forth column is from a Scholar named Symmachus. The fifth column is the work of Origen himself. This was the first Greek Old Testament ever made. Through Catholic Tradition this Column took on the role of a pre-Christian book. It was first concocted in the early 200's A.D. Not B.C. But to this day it is referred to as the LXX or Septuagint by unwary writers. The only place where 50 can actually be tied to this outside of tradition, is Eusebius (340 A.D.) had fifty copies of this fifth column published for Constantine and the Church at Rome. Hence the Vaticanus books, complete with the books of Judith, Tobit, Esdras, Maccabees, the Epistle of Barnabas, etc. From this we have the Shepherd of Hermes. A young man watching a girl bathing, and although he loves her "as a sister," she is caught up to heaven to reveal twenty pages of "Biblical" prophecy to him and she rebukes him for committing adultery in his heart. What is this young prophetess' name who is preaching to this young man? She is Lady Dame. And since she has been assumed up into heaven she has the right to be God's oracle for a dozen pages. Wescott and Hort say this is one of the "most reliable manuscripts." Uh-huh. The sixth column is from one named Theodotian. He is the one who gave us such memorable scripture as Matt.1:16 "And Jacob the father of Joseph, to whom was betrothed the virgin Mary, was the father of Jesus who is called Christ." We find this verse in the footnote of the RSV with the comment, "other ancient authorities read..." This was Theodotian's opinion of what should be there. He had no authority for that insertion. So how did Theodotian's opinion of a translation of another version, get to be called an "ancient authority?" During the time when the Gospel was delivered to Paul the center of Church activity moved from Jerusalem to Antioch, (Acts 11:26.) not Alexandria. It, Antioch, became the starting point for Paul's journeys. Acts 13:1&2. Also Mark, Barnabas, and Silas, and Peter were there. If you study the book of Acts it is easy to see that it was Antioch Syria not Alexandria Egypt that was the center of Church activity. (Acts 11:22-30, 13:1-4, 14:21- 27,15:5-35,Gal.2:11. As a matter of fact no Apostle was ever sent into Egypt. The Scripture did not tell them to go to Egypt for food. Egypt has always been portrayed in the Scriptures as a "type" of the world system. This world system has always been opposed to the things of God. Egypt has always been known as the land of Ham. Another subject perhaps? God would not allow Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob to stay there. South was a very bad direction to travel. Abraham was to stay in the land and trust God. Yet he went into Egypt and got him self into trouble. Gen.12: 9-13. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were not to go to Egypt. They were to trust God. Gen. 26:2&3. Jacob disobeyed God and moved his whole family to Egypt. You say God gave permission for Jacob to go? Yes, after he had already sent his sons to buy corn and they had already gotten themselves into trouble. God made a way to preserve them in spite of their disobedience. They were not to go to Egypt for food. God would not even let their bones remain in Egypt. Gen.50:25. Joseph in this account is a "type" of the Lord Jesus Christ who would deliver us from Egypt. He would even save us even though we went to Egypt on purpose. But once he has fed us, we must allow Moses (Deut.18:14&15,34:10,Acts 7: 37-41.) to lead us out of Egypt. Canaan land is not heaven. It is an "Embassy" of Heaven. Think about it. Canaan is refuge from Egypt, but it is not Heaven. God called Israel out of Egypt. Exodus 3:10. Hosea 11:1. God called Jesus out of Egypt. Matt.2:14&15. God calls you and me out of Egypt. Isaiah 30:1. But the Men of the Bible correctors league tell us otherwise. Jer.43: 2. "Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh," In the Scripture "Pharaoh" is a "type" of Satan, or the Anti-Christ. "and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!" How much do you worship Egypt? We can't get the Words of God from that polluted stream. Do you send your Children to Egypt for training and counsel? Oh, yeah. Public School. Well, that's another story. "O my children are "lights" to the outside world." Do you send untrained children into the battle to do the work of a trained soldier? Plus we are to be lights on a lamp stand, not down there in the midst of the darkness. (Matt.5:15&16.Rev.1: 12-13. We are to stand apart. (2Cor.6:17&18) It is easy to see from the Scripture that Alexandria Egypt is not the place God would choose to preserve His words. It is also plain to see that the Philosophers would not be a people who would not add leaven to the words of God. (Acts 17:18,Col.2:8.) Egypt and the Philosophers would be the "last people on Earth" you would trust in doctrinal matters as pertaining to the words of a Holy God. Egypt is the worst possible place you could go for a Bible. Psalm 1:1 "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in His law doth he meditate night and day." Note the progression in this verse. Progression 1. First you take counsel from the ungodly. You send your children to be "schooled" by these people. I even refer to a "Church" school, or a "Bible" college. I'm convinced that no matter how well you have trained your children, you send them to one of those places, unless you have "some special child," they will distroy your child's faith in not only the three standard works of our Church but even the Book that they profess to believe in, God's holy Bible! You have the responsibility of training up your children. (Gen.18:19,Deut.4:10,6:6&7, Prov.22:6.) Not Egypt.(Isaiah 30:1.) 2. If you do take the councel of the ungodly or have your children to do so, then you find yourself "standing in the way of sinners." You and/or your children will be walking their walk, and talking their talk. 3. Finally you will be "sitting in the seat of the scornfull." You or your children will be the teachers of error. You or your children will be defenders of the ungodly. "Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, as to be hated needs but to be seen. Yet seen to oft, familiar with her face, (1.)first we endure, (2.) then pity, (3.) then embrace." You have the Texts written and edited by Origin and friends in Alexandria Egypt who worshiped Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Pliny, Plutarch, Herodotus, Marcion, etc. The source of "leaven" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate (345A.D.) This accounts for the account of two Latin texts during the "Dark Ages" (599A.D.- 1520A.D.) Because the other one came up from Antioch Syria, in the Church of Jesus Christ through the hands of the Waldensians, Albigensians, Huguenots, etc. in a trail of persecution and blood. The other one of Egypt and Rome, and perversions of the Greek text by Jerome, is the text preserved in the monasteries by the Dominicans, Franciscans, Benedictines, and officials of the Spanish Inquisition. Take your pick. Later Bro. Rudick

From Nimrod "Words do not translate straight across. Look at the KJV and a New World Translation or a NIV. There are scriptures that take on a whole new meaning. Things are added so that the verse means what the translator "thinks" it means. For instance, read 1 Cor 15:29 in the King James. Then read it on one of these other English version. Last time I checked, you could not have reached the same conclusion after reading each version." Please excuse me a little as I am coming at this at this time from "off the cuff" you might say. I am a little rusty and all my "stuff" is in storage and I can't get at it;-( Also my health will not allow me to continue for too long at a time:-{ ;-] Also Maureen; "You compare, see link and KJV scripture below link:" 1 Cor 15:29 I see no difference between the two accounts of that scripture. The message is the same for that verse. But there is differences between many scriptures in the different bibles out there. I will give a few. 1 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 2:12 and 3:12. Different accounts of these verses can split a church. We have two lines of manuscripts for the bibles we have today. Most are on one side with the KJB being on the other. There is a reason for this. Up to the time of Joseph Smith the KJB was widely accepted as the Bible for all English speaking people. The other English Bibles in use were the Great Bible and Tyndale New Testament Bible. They essentially agreed with each other as they were from the same manuscripts differing only in ways to say much the same thing. These came from the old Greek texts of West Asia and are of the language of the people. These manuscripts were later gathered together later by a man I believe called of God called Erasmus. He put together the texts that later became the Luther German Bible and the Swiss and English Bibles. They stood against; the other bible in use that came out later in answer to the KJB. It was the Douay-Rheims out from France. This bible came from a corrupt collection of Latin Manuscripts out of Egypt. called Sianaticus and another called Vaticanus put together from the older. It was these manuscripts that Wescott and Hort later dug up to create the American Standard Version and all the other bibles to confuse us. These are all divergent bibles we have standing against each other to this day to confuse us. "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,..." "False teachers" Bringing "in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. V:2 And many follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth (the Bible?) shall be evil spoken of. V:3 and through COVETOUSNESS shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now a long time lingereth not, and there damnation slumbereth not." We have already learned that Gods words are Truth. (John 17:17 "Many shall follow their pernicious ways;" "He does it and he is supposed to 'love the Lord', so it must be alright." What more evil can be said then that God cannot preserve His words. The reason you could not find the "word of the Lord" (Amos 8:11) on earth was not because they were not there, but because evil men had hid them and would not let the people have them. (1 Nephi 13:25-29) And this is carried on through out the world to this day. Evil and greedy people are flooding the world with corrupt counterfeit bibles in order to confuse and lead them about by the noes. Buy it Now! It's the Super Duper New and Improved Word of God. Now on sale at your fa-vor-it book store. Buy-Buy-Buy one now! The way of truth is indeed being evil spoken of. "And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:.." I'll tell you this, when some one makes merchandise of you, they do it with "feigned words" (flattery, lies, etc.) Turn to 1 Timothy 6:10. Here is another instance that you must use the KJB to get bible Scripture correctly. Especially these Scriptures. The false teachers referred to in these last two verses and the ones hereafter. Now get out your KJB and read along with me. "for the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." Another thing. In merchandising the trick is to keep the "chump" on the hook. The merchants go to, lets say Las Vegas, and there decide what is going to be in style next year. That includes clothing, hair styles etc. Another thing those in merchandising do is make the buyer "think" that the merchant is the only one who can "help" them. "No one can fix your hair like I can." "I am the "only one" who understands your needs." ect. You think you decide? One year it's wide colorful ties. "They are in style.", the next year wide plain ties. When there is a glut in the market in these "stylish" ties, and the market falls off, narrow ties are now the rage. Colorful narrow ties, then plain narrow ties. It starts all over again, The merchants play most of us like a piano. IN OUR LIVES! IN ALL THINGS!! EVEN IN WHAT THE WORLD CALLS THE CHURCH!!! THEY ALWAYS HAVE. WHY DO YOU THINK THERE WERE MONEY-CHANGERS IN THE IN THE TEMPLE? THEY ARE STILL THERE. (1Timothy 6:5&6.) Now lets go to Romans 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness" Are they just innocent victims of some misunderstanding? V:19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." Also look again at 2 Pet.1-12. Read up to V:12 and I'll comment. "But these,as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil (V:2) of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish (see Rom.1:18) in there own corruption;.." Most of the time these Bible Perverters will mess up a text simply because they don't understand what the verse means. They say "This can't possibly mean that" and just like there old predecessor Origen, they change what God caused to be written. 2 Peter 2:12 and 3:12. Later. Bro. Rudick

The meaning is obvious. I believe this warning was abated after the turn of the century just barely. It could still be a sword hanging over our head during the rough time we are to go through in the future. Keep in mind that it is very possible that we have many of Jacobs children who have fallen by the wayside and joined with their great uncles and cousins among us today. But the states of Northern America have been quite friendly to the Lords work and it will continue still for a time. but when it changes, we shall then see. Bro. Rudick

2 Timothy 2:15 teaches us that we must "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth." One who rightly divides God's words to you gives you a better chance that the man trying to teach you from them is "approved unto God". The world will try to make him feel ashamed, but he knows before God he does not have to be.because he "rightly divides" God's words to you. If one comes to you a friend, stranger or even one called a preacher, and he does not understand the concept of rightly dividing God's words, you do not take stock in that one but find one who can. I do not profess to be scholarly in the least way. I just profess a love for and a need to continue studying the Scriptures as they stand. God in His Infinite goodness has preserved and kept His words in the possession of His people. I know that God has promised to preserve His words, and His church has NEVER been without the guiding protection of the words of Almighty God who is able to perform that which He has promised. God has raised up men throughout history to do this work. He gave us an English Bible, And through that Bible He raised up a man who He used to restore His Church. He did this through a King James Bible. All other bibles are mearly versions of the above, taken from a corrupt line of desent. They are illegitimate children of a wayward wife. The KJB has a pure line of desent. It is the one quoted in Scripture to varify Scripture. It is the only line of decent you can trust. It is "perfect in His generations" Just as Noahs desent was perfect, and a pure genitic pool for man kind, so is our English Bible a Pure stream of LIVING WATER from God down through the centuries. (John 4:13&14) Now lets look at some Scripture. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness." (Romans-1: 18) O taste and see that the lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in Him. (Psalm 34:8) Isaiah 40:8 "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever." Some may ask."What is the interpretation of this verse?" What makes you think you have a right TO interpret what God says? You don't interpet Scripture. You can expound upon Scripture. You can s-t-r-e-t-c-h it out and preach on one verse all night long. BUT you tell what it says. THE SCRIPTURE SAYS (ROM.9:17,10:11,11:2.) You say "O that's just coincidence. The Scripture can't REALLY SPEAK. Are you an unbelieving heathen? Not only can the Scripture speak but the Scripture is a Prophet. Look with me at Gal. 3:8. "And the Scripture, forseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,..." So the Scripture also is a prophet for those who believe the Scripture. And the words are reveald to you through the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is a revelator. John 16:7-13, 1Cor.2:15. The Holy Ghost reveals the writen words of God. The words of God are Scripture. And the Scripture cannot be broken. (John10:35) Uncle Bud's Daily prayer- "O Lord give me a backbone as big as a saw log, and ribs like the sleepers under the church floor. Put iron shoes on me and galvanized breeches. And give me rhinoceros hide for a skin, and hang a wagon load of determination up in the gable end of my soul, and help me to sign the contract to fight the devil, as long as I've got a tooth, and then gum him till I die. Amen. Later;-) Bro Rudick

Exactly right;-) The fact that the King James Bible is quoted as Scripture in the BofM shows that it has the stamp of the Allmighty on it. It has stood the test of time and the people of this world rails against it just as they do His Church. They have tried to keep it from the people for over 1500 years and have set up a counterfeit for it and have trouted it out in various forms from time to time to create divisions and diversity. God inspired the people of Asia (not Africa) and we have to give thanks to God for people like Erasmus back in 1516 into whom the spirit of God (D&C 130:23) moved to lay the foundation for the King James Bible we have today. In turn it made possible the restoration of the Lords Church to complete His blessing on us. The four standard works of the Church can be depended on and is "profitable" (2 Timothy 3:16) for true accurate information on Gods dealings with His children from before the foundation of the worlds. Again, Thanks for listening;-) Bro. Rudick

If I may, I would like to add my 2 cents as I have time. Many of the so-called errors that we like to point to can be cleared up with a little study. How many of us have read the Bible through several times? As we read the errors we thought we found in the past get cleared up and we say WOW! Why did I not see that earlier? I will in the future go through some of the so called errors pointed out. Some have problems and there are, don't let me be misunderstood. But what we call "errors" are most of the time very superficial and a misunderstanding of the time and viewpoint of the writer. What he knew and perceived at the time of his writing, Remember even many of the writing of Moses is a restoration of the lost writings of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Joseph, etc. Knowledge is lost and restored throughout history and perspectives change. This dispensation has accounts that differ from the accounts given in the transitional dispensation of the Original 12 and even in the Dispensations of Adam and Moses. Errors? Not as many as you think if you study and "Rightly Divide" the Scripture. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Later;-) Bro. Rudick