volgadon
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Muslims argue that the number of changed lives and cultures by the Qur'an are evidence of its divine origin.
Isn't this looking at outside evidence?
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You see, in the Bible, the Pharisees were arresting the followers of Jesus and they thought they were doing God's will. They claimed that they had spoke to God.
Where is that claim?
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Under the new covenant, you are the letter. Assuming you are born again.
Obviously, then, there should be no other letters.
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Leningrad, that first was Pietari then Leningrad then St. Petersburg
It was originally St. Peterburg, then Petrograd, then Leningrad and back to St. Peterburg.
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You need to take a look at Hebrew. It says "ha-satan." In Hebrew "ha" is the definitive article, like "the" in English. It isn't attached to personal names. In the Book of Job the satan has a role like that of a prosecutor in court.
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Bible doesn't say donkey. As for what the Bible does say, I've heard many of them talk, sometimes continuously on some TV news channels (one named after another animal mentioned in the Bible).
One that ruins vineyards?
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I've read that with each new edition, something is altered. Is that true?
Of course it is, otherwise it wouldn't be a new edition. Most alterations don't affect the text directly, but involves such things as splitting the chapters into verses, adding headers, footnotes, indices, prefaces, etc.
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Red Sea
Red Sea or Reed Sea?
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As promised.
The quote can be found in the "Ancient Commentary on Scripture" series, the volume dealing with Genesis 1-11.
Scripture called heaven and earth that formless matter of the universe, which was changed into formed and beautiful natures by God's ineffable command....This heaven and earth, which were confused and mixed up, were suited to receive forms from God their maker.
Augustine, "On the Literal Interpretation of Genesis," 3:10.
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Interesting point with this: Jewish scholar Richard Elliott Friedman(The head of NYU's Jewish Studies department at the time) wrote a treatise on this in his 'Commentary on the Torah' book. Well worth a look.
The only thing expressly created ex nihilo in the bible is light.
Also: The Jewish scholar explained that the bible doesn't necessarily start at the very beginning, as the Jewish says:
In this, the creation is discussed as an ownership and might more properly be termed "In the beginning of God's creation of the Heavens and the Earth."
I'm not a Jewish scholar. This is simply what the head of Jewish Studies at one of the most prestigious universities in the world said.
Spot on. It could also be rendered "At the commencement of God creating the Heavens and the Earth the Eearth was Tohu wa-Bohu (often rendered as 'without form and void')."
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I don't read much Sci-Fi but I enjoyed E. E. 'Doc' Smith's "The Grey Lensman."
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No, Augustine understood it to be ex nihilo and cites Genesis 1:1 as the universe being created out of nothing. Augustine said that if the heavens and earth could speak they would cry out, "We did not make ourselves, we were made by him who abides by eternity."
For more reading:
The Everything Guide to ... - Kenneth Shouler - Google Books
I'll post the direct quote later tonight, buthe also stated that heaven & earth are formless matter changed into form.
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So are we accepting Augustine as a prophet? I think it doesnt really matter what his opinion is on how the universe was created.
Augustine's opinion does matter when Doss has appealed to the Church Fathers.
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Later, Augustine himself simply declared that God "created heaven and earth out of nothing."
See Augustine, Confessions 12.7.
Later??? If you'll look, Confessions 12:7 precedes 12:15. Since he explains that things existed invisibly and without a form, the statement regarding creation out of nothing has to be qualified.
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Augustine was mistaken. (or pressured to concede)
Or his concept of "nothing" was not really a matter of something being absolutely brand new never, ever possesing form or substance or existence.
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Socrates continued: And where can we hope to find greater benefits than those which children derive from their parents--their father and mother who brought them out of nothingness into being, who granted them to look upon all these fair sights, and to partake of all those blessings which the gods bestow on man, things so priceless in our eyes that one and all we shudder at the thought of leaving them...
Xenophon, Memorabilia 2:2.
All this phrase means is that something is here which wasn't before. It certainly never even asks the question of whether or not the matter has existed previously.
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Here God has made the world out of matter which already exists.For thy Almighty hand, that made the world of matter without form, wanted not means to send among them a multitude of bears or fierce lions,
-Wisdom of Solomon 11:17.
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Hey all,
Sorry I've been away. I'd like to continue this discussion. Rather than emotion, lets bring this thread back to my original question: Does the Mormon believe that God created the world from pre-existing material?
Which Mormon? If you are asking do Mormons believe that God created the world from pre-existing material then we have already answered.
According to the BoM, yes. But, my issue is that this view goes against contemporary science (well, ancient church fathers had the same view as today's science) and the Bible. This is a HUGE stumbling block for me and why I can't accept the BoM.
Do you have to accept creatio ex nihilo in order to be a Christian?
Augustine's view of creation is not that foreign to LDS teachings.
But the earth was invisible and unformed, and darkness was over the abyss.” By these words its formlessness is indicated to us--so that by degrees they may be led forward who cannot wholly conceive of the privation of all form without arriving at nothing. From this formlessness a second heaven might be created and a second earth--visible and well formed, with the ordered beauty of the waters, and whatever else is recorded as created (though not without days) in the formation of this world. And all this because such things are so ordered that in them the changes of time may take place through the ordered processes of motion and form.
-Confessions 12:15.
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Hi all,
I'm currently a non-denominational Christian and believe that the Bible is reliable through archaeology and manuscript transmission. However, I've been researching the historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon and have not seen anything compelling. There seems to be no specific confirmation of the Book of Mormon from archaeology.
Can someone point me to some non-BYU sponsored data dedicated to archaeology as it pertains to the Book of Mormon? I can't seem to find anything!
Thank you,
What do you mean by data? If you mean artifact X or whatever, then the majority is not BYU-sponsored. LDS scholars interpret the same evidence as non-LDS scholars do.
If you dismiss any interpretation on the criterion of being from BYU do you likewise reject any biblical archaeology interpretation if it comes from Christian apologists?
Once we've got that out of the way, and hopefully established that you don't have a double-standard, what do you consider compelling?
In other words, is showing, say, a correlation to a map enough to cause you to believe something?
I could also ask you how you would factor in such things as destruction of literary records, the percentage of archaeological work done, the suppression of native culture, and so on.
My native land, if you must ask, is Israel. I was born there, I grew up there. My parents were friends with Ehud Netzer among others, and when my mom volunteered at the dig in Sepphoris we went along with her. I have a rather decent library and have been to dozens of sites, including lesser known ones, so I have a fair idea of biblical archaeology as opposed to the romanticising of many evangelicals.
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The Hebrew year 5566 lasted from the 24th of September, 1805 to the 12th of September, 1806.
This was the first year after the sabbatical year of 5565, and marked the beginning of a new seven year cycle.
Joseph Smith's birthday, the 23rd of December, 1805, was also the 2nd of Tebeth, the eighth and last day of Hannukah. That is, the eighth day of the celebrations occasioned by Judah Maccabee's rededication of the Jerusalem temple.
The Torah portion (parashat hashavua) for that week is Vayigash (Genesis 44:18-47:27). This is the climax of Joseph in Egypt's story, he reveals his identity and is reconciled with his brothers.
The haftarah (additional scriptural portion) for all Jewish communities is Ezekiel 37:15-28. I think most every LDS is familiar with these verses. The sticks of Judah and Joseph.
R. Yehoshua of Sakhnin said: The Holy One blessed be He gave Abraham a sign that all that would happen to him would happen to his descendants. In what way? He chose Abraham from among his father's entire household, as it is written: "You are the Lord, the God who chose Abram and brought him forth out of Ur of the Chaldeans and gave him the name Abraham" (Nehemiah 9:7), and he chose his descendants from among the seventy nations, as it written: "For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth" (Deut. 14:2). (Midrash Tanhuma, Lekh Lekha 9).
I will tell you a principle that you should understand in all of the coming chapters regarding Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and it is a great thing, which our sages noted briefly, saying (Tanhuma 9) all that happened to the patriarchs was a sign for their descendants. Therefore, Scripture elaborates upon the story of the travels and the digging of wells and other occurrences. And the one examining them may imagine that these are superfluous things of no use, but they all are meant to teach us about the future, because when the case of the three patriarchs shall come before the prophet, he will deduce from it what has been decreed to occur to his descendants (Nahmanides, Commentary to Lekh Lekha).
Genesis 44:18-47:27 relates a family drama. At the end of this, they become one family again, and prosper. The main characters here are Joseph and Judah.
In Ezekiel 37:15-28, God promises to reunite the house of Israel (symbolized by Judah and Joseph), give them a ruler, restore the temple, and renew his covenant of peace (or friendship) with them for ever. Also, as Genesis 47 marks the beginning of the exile in Egypt, Ezekiel 37 prophesies of exile's end.
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Tirosh, the unfermented wine, still had alcohol, a lower percentage, but alcohol nonetheless.
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I read the BoM in Bulgarian, I think I understood around 70%.
Anyway, this is great news, as my moniker indicates, I served in Russia, My wife is from Ukraine.
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Indeed, there was even the Passover tradition that went beyond the biblical teaching: by the time of the first century, every adult was obliged to have four glasses of wine during the Passover celebration. Jesus and his disciples did this in the Last Supper.6 The fact that the wine of the Passover was a symbol the Lord used for his blood and for the new covenant implicitly shows that our Lord’s view of wine was quite different from that of many modern Christians.
6 Technically, Jesus and the disciples had only three ritual cups of wine. The fourth cup, which represented the kingdom, was not drunk. Thus, when Jesus prayed in the garden, “If it is your will, take this cup from me” he was referring to the symbolism of the third cup--the cup of redemption by judgment. However, even though they had only three ritual cups, they may well have had more non-ritual wine, for this was allowed.
The Bible and Alcohol | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site
This usage is far closer to the imagery used in the gospels.
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Thanks for this link. I started reading this book last night at work, but now that I'm home not all of the pages are showing up. It says it's just a preview, is there anywhere to see the whole book on Google?
Not as far as I know. A friend had lent me a copy last year and I read it then. Very insightful book.
Did Jesus really use Wine at the last supper?
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Several reasons, it is an astringent and it also helps warm the body.