[Beer Good. Meat Bad. But we do the opposite.]

The WoW was not fully enforced until relatively recently, namely 1930. In 1930, it was decided that ot be temple worthy, the WoW had to be complied with, and it is very specific that the BIG FOUR, namely, Alcohol, Tobacco, Coffee and Tea were the absolute prohibitions. That continuing revelation stuff. That's what we live by today, and is required of us.

It is a well known fact that many church leaders did not obey the WoW by those standards prior to 1930, and coffee drinking was extremely common in the church prior to that time.

The winter home of Brigham Young in St George Utah is full of wine decanters used by the prophet himself, as an example of the above.

[Ok. I'm needing help.]

No one is in love in 8 days. Maybe 8 months, and even then......................

[Should we take away our 19-year-old's phone and car?]

So now our daughter is having sleepovers with her boyfriend in the same bed and claiming their not having sex. The boyfriend is 8 years older and divorced and a convert who had admitted to having sex with about 8 other girls. Now, our question is, should we put up with this.

Thanks!

At 19 why did you give her anything?

She's an adult, and seemingly engaging in adult activities. The idea that her and her sleep over boyfriend are not "doing" it is hopelessly naive.

Pull the goodies, there is nothing to lose, and she shouldn't have had them in the first place.