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Here's the problem. The whole narrative is being written up as natural curiosity, but 2nd graders expressing curiosity don't go right to oral sex. They play doctor, they look at each other's private parts, but that's as far as it goes. Here we have a class in which several students in a separate incident got naked in class. Don't believe the reports that they were only partially naked, all the clothes came off according to other sources. There is something foetid going on in this class and despite the running narrative, it is under the direction and supervision of that teacher. No, 2nd graders DO NOT know that grownups do this unless they have been sexually abused by being shown how to do this by grown ups. This isn't natural curiosity. This is adult driven pederasty.

Oakland, California, Teacher Suspended After Second-Graders Perform Sex Acts in Class Extremely disturbing event here and everyone is SHOCKED that after kicking God out of school, something else moves in to replace Him. This is part of a trend where children are being sexualized using the public school system as a main conduit. Planned Parenthood's recent thesis on how sexuality should be explored in children as young as possible is setting the tone for the victimization of children. Dr. Laura was thought crazy when she first proposed that children are being sexualized so they can become sexually available to adults, but now she doesn't seem so crazy after all. This is more than just outrageous. This needs to be stopped in its tracks.

I think the understanding is very clear to obey the laws of man except where they countermand the ordinances of God. This rarely happens and in the case where society upholds and enforces the biblical definition of marriage, I believe there is no credible grounds for defiance against the law. I don't see how this throws a blanket of approval on what happened. It's clear that one judge was interested in protecting the children and was overruled. It's the often untold story, the harsh reality of polygamy and the manifest unjustice it perpetrates of the unlucky. An imbalance like that is easily rectified by bringing in men from outside communities, but I don't believe this was the case. I believe the story of those men bumped out into the cold is unpopular and therefore untold. After all, if polygamy was a practice sanctioned by heaven, then who wants to countenance evidence to the contrary?

Absolutely. Abraham's taking of Hagar was not seen as an act of faith, but one of doubt, as he watched Sarah's womb grow slack with menopause. The fact that God made a nation out of Hagar's offspring confers no approval on Abraham's actions, but rather that God keeps his promises even when we falter on our end. God's plan was to make a great nation out of Abraham through Sarah and in a miraculous manner, that is, in her old age. He carried out that plan and even called Isaac the only son of Abraham, a repudiation of Ishmael's legitimacy as the rightful heir. In all this is implicit God's approval only of Abraham's marriage to Sarah.

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Because polygamy has never been practiced under the direction and blessing of God, even in scripture, its practice in the early LDS church remains without precident. God ordained marriage as a man and a woman, for this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife. Jesus emphasizes this definition of marriage in his teachings as well. It's more than a little difficult to defend polygamy as a biblical practice. This only goes to further my point that polygamy was for a select few, the clique, the inner circle. It separated men into two classes and quite a few men were left without a chair when the music stopped. The more it's described, the more it seems like a man made system.

That's what I like about you, Pam, always pushing us away from the brink. And here I was starting to polish up my crusader's sword and shield.

I can very much see the argument that the Constitution is a corollary of liberty that comes from the gospel of Christ: John 4: 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18 “ The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,[j] To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD.”[k] 20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?” Where the gospel is preached, political liberty would soon follow spiritual liberty. It should also be observed soberly that if we abandon the gospel, the loss of liberty shall inevitably follow as well. Though I won't read the Book of Mormon in its entirety, I have read parts and I understand the general narrative. I'm not unaware of the Israelism that sets the tone for your faith. After all, if the Nephites as a lost tribe of Israel, had once possessed this land, then this is the Promised Land. Believe it or not, I do try to understand your faith. I know. You believe the Church lapsed for several centuries until the restoration. As a Native American and as a Catholic, I try not to take offense at some LDS beliefs; and succeed more often than not.

I disagree with my Mormon brothers and sisters that the Constitution is inspired. As a Catholic, inspired means canonized and nothing has ever been canonized that isn't of a specific religious interest. The Constitution is a framework of government and nothing more. Though the framers were godly men, they were creating an earthly government. I think it's dangerous when the kingdom of heaven and earthly kingdoms are undistinguishable. Jesus said He is not of this world nor of an earthly kingdom, nor, in the augmentation of scripture, is anything included that promotes an earthly kingdom, for then how does it benefit all Christians all over the globe? This is why I'm Catholic. Christ left behind an organized, unified Church with a visible structure of authority for deciding ecclesiastical and doctrinal matters. No group or denomination breaks away from the Church while still retaining the authority of the Church. This is a recipe for disaster as even Martin Luther saw in his lifetime. But back to the Constitution, if ours is inspired, then why not another nation's? And if another nation's is inspired, then what if those two nations, both believing they have the imprimatur of heaven, get into a conflict. Can we see a storm brewing on the horizon?

Suzie, am I not going to get a response?

Really? When did Beck ever call for violence or tell his listeners to get their guns ready? What "crazy" things is he saying? It seems every criticism on this thread I've seen of Beck is based on ignorance of the things he actually says and promotes on his show.

Well, if nobody cared, this thread would die a natural death. (oops! I just kept it artificially afloat)

And therefore maintains his integrity. Glenn buys gold for his family, but leaves his audience free to make their own choice. Contrary to what some say, he's not trying to lead a cult.

YouTube - Dave Ramsey on Gold I think Ramsey makes a sound argument for what a lousy investment gold is and it becomes even more worthless when the economy is no longer currency based. Gold, like any currency, is a faith based commodity. In times when faith is in short supply, people would rather have a gas powered generator than a bucket full of gold. Gold is only valuable to someone if they think they can get someone else to think it's valuable too. This doesn't happen during a lapsed economy.

Yes, it was Dave Ramsey that turned me off of gold as a good investment. He points out that everytime in history where economies collapsed and currency became worthless, a bartering system replaced it. Gold, or any other currency is worthless in this environment when clean water, gasoline, tents, blankets, guns and ammo find an immediate market (as Ben was pointing out). Everyone, mark my words. In ten years or less, economists will be singing lamentations about the "gold bubble" and all the people that got suckered into it and lost their fortunes. Like any other commodity, what goes up must come down...screaming and plummeting.

Yes! There's that theme again. We're on a roll here.

I was sure by now,God, that You would have reached down and wiped our tears away, stepped in and saved the day. But once again, I say amen and it's still raining as the thunder rolls I barely hear You whisper through the rain, "I'm with you" and as Your mercy falls I raise my hands and praise the God who gives and takes away. Chorus: And I'll praise you in this storm and I will lift my hands for You are who You are no matter where I am and every tear I've cried You hold in your hand You never left my side and though my heart is torn I will praise You in this storm I remember when I stumbled in the wind You heard my cry to You and raised me up again my strength is almost gone how can I carry on if I can't find You and as the thunder rolls I barely hear You whisper through the rain "I'm with you" and as Your mercy falls I raise my hands and praise the God who gives and takes away Chorus I lift my eyes onto the hills where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the maker of heaven and earth I lift my eyes onto the hills where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the maker of heaven and earth Chorus

Yep. Every time I come across that quote from Job, that song pops into my head. "Praise You In This Storm" by Casting Crowns always seems to be coupled with that song in my mind. Job's wife represents the rest of the world in thinking we ought to curse God when affliction dawns on us. But Job praised God anyway, even though he didn't understand the why's. I think it infuriates the devil when nothing he throws at us can vex our unbroken praise of the Almighty. Thank you for posting that.

After Clint Eastwood directed that horrible, wretched movie "Million Dollar Baby" I thought I would never again like anything he did. The movie was not about overcoming great odds, it was about giving up. Eastwood concocts this specious senario where his prize fighter breaks her neck and requires a machine to breath for her. She then begs her coach to kill her. Despite being warned by the priest not to do it, he kills her anyway. It's what every "compassionate" person would do. The movie wasn't about perseverence, it was a social statement. It sucked bigtime. And then he redeemed himself with the movie, "Gran Torino". I guess anything is possible. Maybe Beck will write a better book.

Oh, but you aren't the only Catholic here! These Mormons treat me well. I like them better than Protestants who are always trying to "save" me.

I guess that's fair. Nancy Pelosi is supposedly Catholic like I am. She supports abortion on demand and refused to be admonished by the Pope. This is why many Catholics don't consider her Catholic at all. Catholics are not free to dissent from Church teaching, especially on an issue like abortion, and Catholics are subject to ecclesiastical authorities, of which Pope Benedict is chief. One key difference I should point out is that Glenn Beck, as far as I'm aware, doesn't in any way deviate from what his faith teaches, nor does he chaffe under LDS leadership. But even so, if I don't support all Catholics, I guess it's unfair to expect Glenn Beck to be supported by all Mormons. You win.

I have every confidence you'll come to like Glenn. Your fiance will prevail upon you to listen to him, and it won't take too long. He's just too darn likeable!

Glenn has grown spiritually since he first started in radio, that much is sure. Yes it is a shame that he is a victim of so much friendly fire. I started this thread thinking a lot of Mormons would be supportive of him and I'm appalled at the results. I guess politics trump "strangers no more" brotherhood.

They accuse us of being extreme. I think there's nothing more unfair or extreme than the carnage of killing a living, innocent baby child in the very place where he/she should be safest. Yep. You're touching on the biggest problem in the pro life community. Most who say they're pro life are really apathetic and many even vote for politicians who promise to protect abortion on demand as a right. What's the problem here?The problem is they don't truly see it as murder. If someone knew that in the next town people were being slaughtered in the streets by the thousands, that person would be inclined to sound the alarm, to stop what they are doing and stop at nothing to help end the slaughter. Because babies are being snuffed out behind the privacy of abortion clinics, unseen and unheard, people don't realize the macabre nature of abortion. It doesn't rise to the level of urgency that it ought to. This is the reason that when people claim to be prolife, I ask them, "Just how prolife are you?" A society ensconced in the culture of death soon becomes like the Spartans, casting live babies away to be killed by the elements. Or like the Canaanites who sacrificed their children to Molech. The lust for causing death will not stay within the boundries of abortion on demand. The elderly will be offered assisted suicide and all too soon it won't be just a suggestion. And even children who are born will not be safe. The nazis cannot be condemned too harshly once it's understood that any society, even ours, can rapidly deteriorate and be desensitized to the most unthinkable atrocities. We are not so different than the Germans were.

Greetings everyone, I thought I'd open up a different kind of thread. Amy Grant's song is a touching one. Growing up in a Pentacostal environment, I was always drawn to question the incessant need for enthusiastic, upbeat worship. This environment certainly has its charm, but I never thought it touched upon true joy that's not always serendipidous and sappy. God loves a lullaby In a mothers tears in the dead of night Better than a Hallelujah sometimes. God loves a drunkards cry, The soldiers plea not to let him die Better than a Hallelujah sometimes. The Bible says to rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep. When it's always rejoicing, who comforts the sorrowful? We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Are better than a Hallelujah Did Jesus smile alot? We never read that he smiled but we certainly read that he wept. Jesus lived in a time of much suffering. Do you think he was always trying to cheer people up? I think he enjoined himself to our miseries and in doing so showed us true joy that wasn't falsely chipper. The woman holding on for life, The dying man giving up the fight Are better than a Hallelujah sometimes The tears of shame for what's been done, The silence when the words won't come Are better than a Hallelujah sometimes. Genuine joy is a painful smile when our afflictions remind us that this is not our home. We are strangers and sojourners, but Jesus said, "I go to make a place for you" and the hope this brings to us anchors our soul and brings us through the most painful trials. We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Praise God who never asks me to put on appearances! I can tell Him that I'm not ok. I can tell him that it hurts sometimes. When God says, "How are you?" I can answer honestly. Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Are better than a Hallelujah "You say 'I am rich, I have become wealth, and have need of nothing'...and don't know you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked." (Rev 1:17) God sees of me what others don't...and loves me. Better than a church bell ringing, Better than a choir singing out,singing out. The best praise is the sacrifice of praise. As Job said, "He giveth, and he taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord." We pour out our miseries God just hears a melody Beautiful the mess we are The honest cries of breaking hearts Are better than a Hallelujah Know the difference between genuine joy and contrived joy. The latter can, on a whim, be donned like a mask. The former comes from brokenness, grief, and ultimately sweet trust in Jesus through the worst that life can bring. In the Sacred Heart of Christ.