Hala401
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Well, you kind of have to figure out the size first. There are plenty of high-quality pistols from tiny to full-sized, so going to a range that rents guns and trying a few out might be the way to go.
I really like the .45 auto, especially the Ruger p-90, which is a ***** cat to shoot. The Military version is a woman killer. The problem with those big guns is that they break the straps on my purse, and make a lot of noise if they fall out in the Loo. How embarassing to be looking for blush and pull out a pistol !
If I thought a .22 would stop someone, I'd do it. Those head shots are so hard though. You gotta get them so their nose hairs are almost sticking in the barrel before you shoot.
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Good heavens no. There are so many heathens and pagans not shooting Glock's that the missionary work MUST continue.
Where is the laugh icon? LOL I made my own. :)
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Anyone heard of Stan Romanak? What do you think about aliens
Ever hear of George Adamski? What do you think about him?
Not to be facetious at all, but think about our own pre-life.
I'm sure we'd like to meet some nice aliens, and sometimes I think some of my co-workers were. I mean think about Jesus Christ for a minute. He was walking through walls and things. I think the whole Bible and Book of Mormon are about Aliens, and I just don't see why we don't make the connection. I think we are Aliens. I mean again, look at our pre-life.
Some people, listening to Satan, try to make the idea of life in other places frightening. As believers in Heavenly Father, and followers of Jesus Christ why would we think they should be frightening?
I'm an alien but seem to have never gotten a light saber, or one of those chirpy things to put on my breast to talk to my friends, though my cell phone is gettin close. NO wait, can it be that prayer is for that? Who'd a thought?
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I really try to avoid it, and will generally just pull off the road if I need to do it. Both my car radio and my cell phone are blue tooth. I can even talk on the phone on my bike because my cell phone hooks to a little "router ??" that hangs around my neck and that hooks to my hearing aids. Yes, this is the business! :)
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I'm on FB with two different names. One is my old Muslim one and the other is my real one and I'm using the Muslim one less and less. I just don't reveal a lot on either page.
It is surprising to me that people who use FB seem so reticent to put themselves on Mormon.org.
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My goodness, I guess you have reminded me that my service was 40 years ago; something that seems like an all too harsh realisation. :) After reading all these posts, I begin to understand that my experience is severely dated. When I was growing up, both my brothers got 22 rifles when they were 12 years old. I did not,
a fact that stuck in my craw for a long time!Admittedly, that .45 pistol is really the only weapon I ever had extended contact with. Even the rifle that stood at the back door was off limits to me! I've had two officers tell me that they carry 9 pistols.
What would you suggest? I think I prefer an auto pistol, but the size, I do not know.
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In addition to my above comments, I worry that I don't understand what goes through the mind of an officer when he must shoot a perpetrator.
Here in Portland, we have had several incidents where several officers have put dozens of bullets into the same person. So, I am confused, why more than one? Are there legal ramifications that I just do not understand?
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I have 15 years in law enforcement. I've carried a Glock 17 for fourteen of the fifteen years. It is the best pistol I have used (yes you pagans I have shot other handguns). The most important thing is to find a gun that YOU are comfortable with. The different gun/caliber arguements are like the different car/make/model arguements. That said, with your age, you may find a 9mm easier on the body then the .40 or .45.
I appreciate your input on this matter. My training was Military, and I think that perhaps the philosophy is different. I don't know how civil police are taught to view a threat. My own idea is that a single well placed shot should eliminate a threat, and I am not likely to view anyone as a threat unless they are <21 feet because that is the law here in Oregon.
Of course, I have never fired a weapon in a threat situation, so I suspect that a lot of the stationary target, sight picture stuff goes right out the window in the heat of a situation. And, frankly I am not completely sure how I will respond until it happens, but I am told that lots of training can help.
Do you think a 9mm will stop someone on the first shot? I am pretty certain a .45 acp will or am I wrong? The military version of the .45 auto was punishing, but the Ruger p-90 was perhaps half the kick and I do not know why.
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Sometimes its hard to take them out of the same bottle.
I have talked about this on here before but I did have that decision one time. My choice was 'cunning' and 'faking'. The gun stayed under the pillow and no one got hurt. We did move the next day. ^^
I live in a house with three other people; a woman and two men. Sometimes, I feel like none of them has a lick of sense. I'm old enough to be their Mother. One of them has the anoying habit of leaving the house unlocked. I am concerned because the young woman in the house sleeps next to my room and I was recently surprised to find out that I sleep the sleep of the dead. So, I would not be a lot of use to protect her if someone gets in.
Today, I did tell the errant roomate that if someone I did not know came into my room, I would shoot them. In the course of our talking, I realised that an intruder could take what he wanted and it would just go by me, like the other roomies. But if I found someone molesting my roomate, I would not accept that at all.
He did seem to finally tumble to the idea that a woman is in more danger than a man and that she might be worth protecting. Gosh, where do the men today come from?
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My avatar is a picture of me and my missionary companion at the time in a gun supply store in the Sevierville, TN area - owned and operated by an active LDS member. (No, the guns weren't loaded and yes, it was probably a violation of mission rules. Oh well!) :)
So there ARE plenty of members who are into and knowledgeable about guns and artillary.
However, I am not one of those (yet). :)
In 66-69' I had military training and the main weapon was the .45 acp. I was well trained and competent in it's use as a Military Policewoman, however most of my time was at the desk.
The problem now days is that Heavenly Father has tamed me, and I am not sure I would use it, unless for the purpose of protecting someone. It is sometimes difficult to put love, compassion and the killer instinct into the same bottle.
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I was vague and cryptic. I am sorry.
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I don't mind reality but I don't want just any crazy person walking around with a gun, especially in church where my children are in primary. A PO maybe or someone else who has had evaluations and training to be qualified.
I don't understand now a simple question about a gun could get to this point. Yet, I agree with you that it should not be necessary for anyone in our Wards to carry a weapon. It is no doubt that there are men with us who would be quite prepared to confront someone bent on harming someone.
And, there is the protection that Heavenly Father extends to us.
I am sorry that this conversation strayed so far from my intent.
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What past events? Are you saying that you feel threatened by men in your ward and that they are carrying firearms?
What? On the contrary, I feel comforted by those who would feel the need to protect us. That they are armed, I can not say, perhaps not. I know a certain church in Colorado that had armed guards for a while, but it was not LDS.
My last time in a NON LDS church was in 2004, and I know that the pastor and security team were very concerned. There are some realities that many do not want to face.
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No matter what anne actually meant by those words, the words themselves could not be further from the truth.
John Moses Browning, firearms designer, arguably the most important person in the development of modern semi-auto and full auto firearms, credited with 128 gun patents, inventor of the 1911A and the Browning .50 cal machine gun, was a Mormon. He was born in Ogden Utah and served a mission to Georgia in 1887. A sizeable percentage of operational firearms on planet earth today, still operate on principles and designs he created.
His father, Jonathan Browning, had a gun shop in Nauvoo that has been restored as a museum and is still part of the church tours. The guns he made at that time were imprinted with "Holiness to the Lord - Our Preservation." He made the trip with Brigham and the pioneers.
Our history is replete with fascinating accounts of us both taking up arms to defend, and laying them down to promote peace. At the top of it's game, the Nauvoo leigon was the biggest military force in Illinois. Mormons have been in our nation's armed forces since the pioneer days. Mormons fought on both sides in WWII. LDS are over-represented in federal arms-bearing professions like the CIA and secret service. I had a bishop in Utah who had a conceal-carry permit. One Sunday here in Colorado, we had more of our senior ward leadership out hunting than we did up on the stand.
Yes indeed, without fear of any relevant contradiction, LDS and guns are most certainly related.
I did not know that. I know nothing of pistol design, but I know that the pistol I carried in the Military Police was brutal to my little hand, though I could tolerate it if I did everything I was taught. Later when I owned a Ruger p-90 .45, the pistol was a sweety. I do not understand why the Army one punished me so badly.
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Sighs. You know we arent related to serial killers too right? Oh just minute. Bundy showed interest in the church. Lds and serial killers are related too!
The church is not related to guns or serial killers or even wheat. It is about Jesus and God. it is demeaning to the church to say otherwise.
To me, a gun is a tool as common as a garden hoe or a shovel. I do not believe that they are to be ornamented with fine work or glorified. They are to be used to gather food and to protect the innocent from predators both 4 legged and two legged. In my opinion, one who would attack a human with the intent to do bodily harm is not human.
Where I was raised, the doors were never locked, and a loaded rifle stood by the back door, facing the stock. It's purpose was to kill predators.
I struggled with reading the book of Mormon when I came to passages where the Nephites layed down their arms and allowed the enemy to kill them. Now, I do not know if I could allow that to happen. I would need strength from somewhere not within me.
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I am a gun enthusiast but by no means consider myself an expert. My wife and I have concealed firearms permits. Right now my wife carries a .22 magnum but I hope to upgrade her to a .38 revolver soon. The benefit of a revolver is they are pretty much point and shoot. They have fewer jams and other problems that are common with semi-automatic weapons. The disadvantage is they don't carry as many rounds as an automatic.
That said my personal choice is a Glock 27 which holds 9 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition and ways just under 20 oz.
It comes down to reliability vs. ammunition. However, if you need more than 6 rounds of ammunition you are in some pretty serious trouble and is another 3 going to make the difference? And what good is the gun if it stovepipes the first round (spent cartridge stuck during ejection creating what looks like a stovepipe coming out of the gun).
Tough call and often debated.
However, if you are going to carry a revolver I would consider a .357. If you can handle a .45 you should have no problem with the .357 and they offer more firepower than the .38.
I was never in combat like the men. I worry about two things with the .45 auto and one is the lessening of spring tension in the clip on a weapon that is kept loaded. I never kept it chambered unless I felt its use could be imminent. And, in one experience, it was the sound of the chambering of the weapon that most alarmed the attacker.
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No one who own any gun that they have not fired and feel very comfortable in doing so. should own it, otherwise in most cases you may end up being shot by your intruder, any weapon is only as good as your skill and willingness to use it.
I was twice before faced by an assailant, and both times I was well placed, in a defensive position, and when they heard my weapon chamber and saw the barrel, they changed their minds immediately.
The last time, the assailant called the police and I wound up being confronted by a swat team and subsequently cuffed and placed into a police car. That is until, they saw the complainant. I was released immediately and said complainant was cuffed and put in the car.
At no time did I have any doubt what my actions would be.
I had a concealed weapons permit at that time, and now it looks as if I will have to renew it since one of my roomates is habitually leaving the back door open at night. I am going to put a good lock on my personal door, so I will be covered if anyone should come through it. It is worrisome to me because there is another female in our house, and I worry about her safety.
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I think that is pretty much what I said. What exactly do you think I am saying?
Considering past events, I am quite certain that when the building is occupied on Sunday, that someone is quite able to take care of any unrulies. We have a couple men in our Ward that I will never say anything but Sir to.
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I mean the church isnt exactly into guns. Lol. But a lot of members are.
Hala there are a number of gun threads on here already so its not a banned topic.
OK, since I have not actually shot anyone, though I think if pressed I might, I am just thinking about the suitability of a revolver as a weapon of defense. My old .45 ACP was as easy to fire on the 5th shot as on the first one. Though, if one has targeted properly, more than one should not be nessessary; center of mass and all that, you know.
As I said before, I recently took my .38 special with a 3" barrel to a range and I felt that the first shot was suitable, being inside the 10 ring on a BT 5R 2 target at about 21 feet. None of the shots fired from a cocked weapon were outside that ring at either 21 feet or the far one. (75 feet ???).
Oregon law states that an un armed assailant more than 21 feet away can not be a legal threat, nor can one shoot one in the back at any range.
The problem lies in the fact that without cocking the weapon the following shots are just awful! I don't think I would have the presence of mind to **** the weapon after each shot.
So, I am wondering if I should exchange it for a .45 auto again?
I don't actually know what a pistol weights, but it seems a lot. So, then I was thinking of a .22 cal purse pistol, but I fear that being shot by a .22 might just incite more antisocial behavior from the one wounded, whereas, I am relatively sure that one well placed shot from a .45 would un-stand most anyone.
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LDS and guns totally mix.
Hala, you may want to talk to someone you trust who is a gun expert.
At first, I thew up my hands in dismay, because I do not know people like that! But after reflecting, I think I know an LDS Police woman.
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Sister Vort's hair was actually fairly short when we met, but she grew it to be shoulder length after we married. I loved her hair long. *sigh* Those were the days...
Well, we survived the feminist 70's. :) It is pretty late in my life to be a prom queen, but after the working life I had, I really enjoy some of the things I did not have while working, and one of them is my long hair.
Last night I was at a church "swap meet" and one of the sisters handed me a pair of jeans. Upon reflection later, I was surprised at my strong feelings when I told her that I do not wear pants. Gosh, where did that come from ? :)
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guns and lds are not related!! that said there is ALWAYS plenty of lds people to give advice on guns. What do you need to know?
I don't want to get in trouble for bringing a gun discussion to this site. I was just hoping that I could find a place to ask a question about a prospective pistol I may purchase where I would not be exposed to hard core gun folk. :)
When in the Military, I carried a nasty old military model .45 1911 A-1. Later, while I was working quite a lot at night, alone in my electrical van, I got a ruger P-90. 45 acp and it was a sweet heart of a gun. I sold when I was no longer working.
When my brother found out that I was de-clawed, :) he threw a fit and put a .38 revolver in my purse. Well, I am not sure I like a revolver, so I was hoping to find someone to talk to about it.
NO, I never shot anyone.
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In high school I had serious hair issues. It was dry, my swim team days gave it chlorine damage... there really was nothing to do but cut it all off. I cried.
10 years later, I have failed to return to long hair. I love my short hair. My husband disagrees, but too bad.
My little sister was voted "Best Hair" in her high school year book. Gorgeous long red hair down to her waist. Later on, she cut it. She looked around for a place to tell the hair. She had a great offer of 700$ for her locks, but it was more than she could bear to cut off. So she went the locks of love route.
Her hair is getting back to where it was.
I worked mostly with men during my career, and one of the most frequent complaints I heard was that they married a woman with very long hair and then she cut it off. I briefly dated a man who said that who ever he married would have to agree to a prenup that would state she would retain her long locks. Long hair on women seems to be very important to some men.
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Not sure how this has anything to do with what I said.
Maybe not.
Is there an LDS gun advice site?
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I'm really slow to become aggressive, I mean defensively aggressive, um I think. But when someone provokes me, I want it like totally OVER. If their gonna kill me let them do it fast, but if they are gonna mess around and make me suffer, that would make me irritable. There are reasons I feel like that but I just don't want to drag all that out again.
I mean, I'm supposed to be cooking and cleaning and nurturing and shooting someone with a gun that throws boulders just does not feel part of all that. It's inconsistent. If they would just do their thing, take what they want and leave, but if they have to go be all belligerent and sadistic. OH, it is such a bother!
AND, then if you do shoot them or run them off you're on the wrong end of a swat team. Sigh.
Maybe I could just carry a self destruct box? If someone gets nasty, I just self destruct by pushing a button? Let them deal with all the mess and explaining to the police. Gosh, having been Muslim, I should know how to self destruct, right? I must have missed a class or something.