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Oh well, ladies and germs. I guess there is not a shred of historical evidence. Your just going to have to actually see if you can get a personal look at God and a witness for yourself.
And, the next time a Christian tells me to show him the golden plates, I'll tell him to show me the original new testament.
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That woman spoke well of the "gay rights" campaign when she said: "this campaign of lies and deception was immoral and reprehensible".
Certainly the "gay rights" activists have their freedom of speech and they should be allowed.
Those fellas tearing signs down had the opportunity to make a good statement, but it sounds like they blew it when they went overboard.
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Society's role should be to protect the family, but much of our intrusion into individual and family finances, and into parent/child relations has had adverse effects. Among the poorest Americans, we actually subsidize the expansion of the family outside of marriage lines. Among the middle class, society has scorned and snubbed the women who wish to be full-time mothers (although there is a counter-movement which is refreshing). The shaming of women into the workforce has brought economic hardship to those who resist the pressure. Our youth are also shamed for chaste behaviour and obedience to parents.
Add to that the issues of chemical abuse and pornography and all of this contributes to infedelity and divorce. Although a legalization of polygamy could help in some circumstances, it would mainly go unnoticed. Most of society would shame polygamists, especially a man with many wives.
A counter-culture may develope which would exalt a man for his number of wives like the manner whereby pimps are praised today, but this is unlikely because polygamists are actually bound to these women long term and society is not so nice as to praise good behaviour, but 'love 'em and leave 'em' is more apt to stay.
I think only a small group of people would really stay with polygamy. Perhaps at first there would be a movement where many would engage in it, but much of that would end in divorce. Today, it is a struggle to keep one spouse, imagine keeping four?!?!
The real solution is for families to stick together not only in familial friendship, but in familial economy. This would alleviate much, if not all, of the economic strain on the family unit. Many practice this, but American culture has largely rejected it.
Rather than sending all the children to banks to get into debt, property should be secured by pooling funds to avoid bank debt. Some of the poorest families do this and really do well.
Families need to be allowed to follow their natural definition which is more of an independent socio-economic unit than a breeding system for a nation of persons co-dependent on society and the national debt based economy.
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I'd let the states each determine whether they will employ the death penalty. The Federal Government however, should not be allowed to inflict the death penalty.
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God bless him and your family. May you see His will and blessing upon you all.
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I don't want to see tax dollars sent to other countries for ANY purpose.I don't want my tax dollars sent to other countries for that purpose, do you?
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The answer really is Elgama's first answer. The Old World Jews DID have very explicit information about the Saviour that is not found in our Old Testaments today.
The Mormon view of history is one of dispensations. God gives tremendous detail and revelation to the world which dwindles over time until it is necessary for God to do so again in order to restore information that has been lost. This process has been a continually repeated cycle from the beginning.
The Saviour's birth among the Jews was amidst a lost and confused generation. Years of lies and deception had immersed the people in ignorance. They were living under a long legacy of such lies and deception which came from "spiritual" leadership.
Satan's work has always been to establish by way of temptations of power: false priests who seek to hide the truth and mislead the people through lies and the abandonment of true revelation. They speak evil of the living oracles of God and take up their position as spiritual leaders only to aggrandize themselves. The scribes and Pharisees were the heirs of a legacy of such lies and suppression of the truth. Even they themselves were in the dark:Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? (Matthew 23:27-33)
The result of this is the loss of once known information which is ultimately restored by God. In Jesus was a new dispensation to the Jews wherein much that was lost was restored. So also was the Restoration in our times through the prophet Joseph Smith.they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15:14)
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Americans are not life-long monogamists. A tremendous number of us are going to be married at least twice and many are married multiple times. Take one of these people and put them in a room with all of their spouses and their spouse's spouses and their spouse's spouses and you've got that "madness" already.
Death would, of course, naturally give cause to multiple marriages. Polygamy is a natural feature of the human family therefore. We tend to think that polygamy is only so as long as we are married to two people at the same time and living together as one big happy family, but marrying someone and having children and then quitting them to marry another and having children from them is only different in technicality.
If it is morality that makes polygamy so repulsive to this country, then what a backwards place indeed.
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The Church WAS disincorporated via the Edmunds-Tucker Act. The Supreme Court, in 1890, ultimately upheld the disincoporation in 136 US 1 wherein the court held:It was either that or the Church was to be disincorporated and the Temples seized.
The court order actually authorized the seizure of all real property and the bank holdings of the Church WERE seized until their release in 1893. The temples however, were simply not seized. I don't know why or what circumstances prevented it.That the acts of the legislative assembly of the territory of Utah incorporating, continuing, or providing for the corporation known as the 'Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,' and the ordinance of the so-called general assembly of the state of Deseret incorporating the Church of Jeses Christ of Latter- Day Saints, so far as the same may now have legal force and validity, are hereby disapproved and annulled, and the said corporation, in so far as it may now have, or pretend to have, any legal existence, is hereby dissolved;
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Every human that has ever died is either resurrected or remains a ghost to this day. They are all around us, billions of them. With them are also an unknown number of spirits who are yet to have been born and even more who are on this earth but will never be born. We are ghosts in a body. There is nothing scary or evil about it.
That said, necromancy is against the commandments of the LORD. Most of it is foolishness and phony anyway.
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I did like the Poltergeist movie.
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Wow, that sounds remarkably like:
(Declaration of Independence - Thomas Jefferson)But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Aww schucks. I thought you protesting the U.N.
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After some looking at all of this, I wondered if I should reply and if so, to what should I reply exactly? So I really just randomly ran my finger like a throwing dart at the screen and the quoted portion is where it landed.While Revelation may very well derive from a very early period (contrary to the views of most biblical scholars, who deal with the book only in its final form), the Jesus of which it whispers obviously is not a man. He is a supernatural being. He has not yet acquired the physiological and metabolic properties of which we read in the gospels. The Jesus of Revelation is a god who would later be made into a man - not a man who would later become a god, as liberal religious scholars would have it.
My response to that is this: What indication does the Book of Revelation give that the Jesus therein "is a god who would later be made into a man"? Also, what inconsistancy does any statement that Jesus is in some way supernatural pose? For that matter, what inconsistancy is there in any statement that Jesus is Diety who took on the form of man? Plus, wherein does the Book of Revelation indicate that the Jesus of which it speaks is "not a man"?
Virtually the entire barrage of text posted in the ops brings to mind questions such as these.
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PS: Revelation 1:1, 1:2, 1:5, 1:9, 12:17, and 22:21 all use the exact phrase "Jesus Christ". 1:9 uses the phrase twice. With those alone, that makes seven uses of the phrase "Jesus Christ" in the Book of Revelation. 14:12, 17:6, 19:10, 20:40, 22:16, and 22:20 also use the name "Jesus", so that brings the total "Jesus" count to thirteen. 11:15, 12:10, 20:4, and 20:6 mention "Christ", so the "Christ count is actually up to eleven. I am having difficulty reconciling these facts with the statement:"The name Jesus occurs only seven times in the entire book, Christ only four times, and Jesus Christ only twice!"
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Tell your friends and family that can hang with you and keep your head out of it. Let the LORD bless you through them.
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I must say that it is a gigantic leap of faith on my part to believe that LDS people will save the Constitution.
Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: (Acts 9:13-15)
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I guess it depends on what color we are theoretically talking about.
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Flour is good for ten years, but the wheat can store in cans for 30!
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I'm trying... I'm trying...Speaking of this prophecy, Elder Ezra Taft Benson said: "I have heard our present Prophet leader [President David O. McKay] say we are very near to that time. It is my solemn conviction we are near the time which the Prophet saw. What are we going to do about it? Will we, as Latter-day Saints, favored of the Lord, 'arise and shine forth,' as the Lord has commanded, 'that thy light may be a standard for the nations' (D&C 115:5)?"
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Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties. Therefore, in this election year, we urge you to register to vote, to study the issues and candidates carefully and prayerfully, and then to vote for and actively support those you believe will most nearly carry out your ideas of good government. (First Presidency Statement Sept. 11, 2008)
It doesn't say "the two parties", it says "various". Is this not telling us to focus on candidates and not parties?
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Dude, helmets are sooooo lame bro.. They are... like.. tooootally bummer dude.Hi a-train
If it has become a " Mormons believe they can become gods " thread, what is your belief on that?
BTW, You really should be wearing a helmet :) ( avatar )
Peace,
Carl
God and man are the same species. Jesus was born of woman. He is human. He lived in every way the human condition and died a human death. He rose from the grave and is an immortal human being. His resurrected body was not described by the eye witnesses of His resurrection as inhuman. They handled His human hands and feet and felt the prints of the nails. They ate with Him and watched Him physically eat. He physically ascended into the sky.
Mankind will be just as literally resurrected. He and we will eternally retain our form as beings of the human species. As the psalmist wrote: "Ye are Gods; and all of you are children of the most high." (Psalm 82:6) As Paul said: "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device." (Acts 17:28-29)
Indeed, as we are not made of stone, nor is God. Rather He and we are the same species and we are His children.
Perhaps we could be accused of pride in saying we are gods and children of the most high. But accusation in itself is a form of pride and the endeavor to submit our own will to God's commandments is not pride, but humility. As He commanded: "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt, 5:48)
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NO MAN CAN BE GOD NORE SEE GOD HIMSELF
this is taken from the bible u know the book witch was around thounds of years before mormon came along
Exodus 24:10-11:
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
The Bible is loaded with testimonies of prophets and worshipers of God who SAW Him.
Genesis 12:7:
And the Lord appeared unto Abram...
Genesis 32:20:
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Genesis 35:9:
And God appeared unto Jacob again...
1 Kings 9:2:
That the Lord appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.
We are promised in Matthew 5:8:
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Acts 7:55-56 (a scripture mastery for all you seminary students out there):
But [stephen], being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Perhaps the greatest testimony in the Bible of the LORD is that of His disciples whereof we read:
And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. (Luke 24:36-40)
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So, if I understand correctly, is this now a: "Mormons believe they can become gods!?!?!?" thread? What is the topic at this point?
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Could you please PM me the "T" word. I'm not sure what you mean.
The word he is thinking of is simple.
Real simple.
Only certain people come looking for a confrontation.
Let's imagine them standing under a bridge and waiting for us to come along.
Lunging out at us, they try to take us by surprise.
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There is something that bothers me about the view that there was some window of opportunity wherein the saints in Joseph Smith's time could have accomplished much more than they did, but they failed and thus this opportunity was lost. The notion is as if we are simply not responsible and we are now just waiting for another such window to open up.
I think we can open these windows up ourselves. We need to be building Zion now, not waiting for some new miracle to drop out of the sky to begin.
There is nothing stopping us from getting together and helping one another, from being of one heart and one mind, from seeing to it that there are no poor among us, from building up a socio-economic entity which frees us from the socio-economic bondage of the world.
We can do all of this right here and right now. We don't need to walk shoelessly behind a handcart to Jackson County Missouri as the moon falls from the sky and the sun turns to blood in order to accomplish it.
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