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Yes, he I think in the preface, says that these things are not church doctrine and need to be taken with a grain of salt and admits that he is not a prophet, or something to that effect. The "tent city" movement has been a concept that I do wonder about, since I have heard about there will be a "call out" and we don't know when that will be. I admit that I have been, I don't know if "intrigued" is the right word, but wondering about being ready to have enough food storage and supplies for a big semi to pick up in the middle of the night when going to Church one Sunday and being told that those with food storage need to attend a meeting. And then told to be ready to have the semi load there supplies in the middle of the night, pack their family in their van or car and follow a caravan of cars and head off into the Rocky Mountains or wherever they are supposed to meet. I was concerned when our kids seemed a bit concerned and I had to remind my husband to tone it down. 'Although the world definitely is getting more wicked, we really don't know when it will be. We need to do our best to prepare, but live life everyday and not live in fear. Our kids have forgotten pretty much about it now, as it has been months since anything has been brought up about it. My husband has been concerned , when we first started reading it last year, that this could be happening within a year, now we are not really so sure when, though of course we know , no one really knows the time it will happen, save the Savior himself, though He did give us some signs to look for. It has been a while since I have studied up on the signs , but I sometimes write things down and see what our food storage looks like, etc. Some of Bro. Young's things on the dreams, I think, may hold more merit then the Y2K thing did. Admittedly, that didn't pan out, and I can understand why Rob Osborn would say he was no prophet. The thing with the other things Young put in are just dreams and visions that others have had, including some of the past General Authorities, that may have more merit for us to spiritually interpret and discern prayerfully for ourselves.

I'm not replying to my posts, I'm replying to someone else's post. I'm hitting the quote under someone else's post

Laurie, I am so sorry to hear that those things have happened to you! You have been through so much! You deserve alot of love, support and understanding. I hope you can feel the peace, hope, support and get the help you need in your situation. I believe there are resources out there. I believe in prayer that will help you connect to someone who will be able to help you and understand. You will be in my prayers.

My husband and I have read a couple books by Roger K. Young regarding some dreams and visions that he compiled about the preparation of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the destruction of the world and ushering in of The Millenium. Brother Young does note in the book of the need to use the Holy Spirit to guide the reader in how to interpret the things that he or she reads and how they may apply to them. The book has given me and my husband reminders and insight in the importance in being temporally (as in having enough food storage, fuel, other emergency supplies , medical family needs, etc) prepared and in being spiritually prepared (reading our scriptures, having daily individual prayers, family prayer and scripture study, family home evening, blessings, temple work, family history, church attendance & service, living close to the spirit, etc) Also, I recall a vision given about 9/11, as well., and other signs of the last days, that we are living in. Has anyone else read these or other books like them and would anyone like to share their insights about them? After reading about being called to go into the Rocky Mountains, it makes you wonder when that is going to happen. Anyways, we have been asked to be prepared, and need to do what we can. We have some things prepared, and need to work on other preparations. We have been counseled not to go into debt, but to do what we can. I know in our area, it seems there has been a lot of focus in the Church lately on preparation.

Stay out of it. Just pray for them, but stay out of it.

Also, sometimes I put things down and they get moved around , it seems on purpose, which is not my doing

If your hitting the quote button under a post to reply, that is what happens, there really is no other way to do it that makes sense, maybe they need to have better directions, I mean what is more easier then trying to reply under what you are trying to respond to? I'm not very good with doing something unless it seems obvious and if it seems obvious but doesn't work, then maybe it could be fixed or maybe they should give instructions to the technically impaired. If I post down below it doesn't seem to help either.

One thing I failed to mention is that if you have extended family that can help, they can be a resource to, and if asking a bishop for help, its best to go to family first, as well, but there is nothing wrong with keeping your Wic and Medicaid, insurance is expensive, believe me, you'll need it, raising a child is expensive, please, keep that and WIC, you will need it. That's great your being frugal. And if you need Church assistance that's ok. You need tests you've put off, then you see, you need resource, and as life goes on, you'll need it. Are you a medical student? If that's the case, someday it will all pay off.

Pres. Benson worked for the government. I think I can understand where you are coming from. My husband and I have 4 kids, 2 with special needs. We have been married for 21 years, in the temple. We are active, good members. Our special needs kids get SSI monthly payments. We get medicaid. Our oldest has a congenital heart defect, a reflux problem, a GI tube, 11 food allergies that require us to buy some foods that are more expenisive, though some foods we can buy cheap and make some things. Yes, we do need to be self reliant as much as possible, but every situation is different. We all are at different seasons in our life, and we need to take that into account. We need not to judge others. The Proclamation on the Family states that husband and wife help each other in our roles and we accommodate each other as necessary. Sometimes changes our necessary. A bishop I saw once concerning these kinds of things told me, "but you need these programs" And he was right. How could I afford to take care of my family's medical needs, temporal needs, and even focus better on spiritual needs if we couldn't have those things in place? The programs aren't evil. They are to help, and assist as needed. The key is to be wise, prayerful and do what you can. There is no shame in using the resources that are available to help you and your family. We use HEAT assistance. WE use Food Stamps. A parent earns a living. For many years it was my husband. Temporarily, for the last few months, it is me, and that is ok. I don't work Sundays, but you pray about it, and if you really feel you need to, fast or go to the bishop or the temple about it with your spouse and talk to your spouse about it, and you decide together, as a team with the Lord, what will be the best thing for your family. And as things change, you may need to re plan as time and seasons in life change, but don't worry about what others think, if others give their advice or opinions or tell you what to do, take it with a grain of salt, remember, they may be well meaning, but you and your spouse alone are entitled to receive the inspiration you need for your family's circumstances, and you know better than anyone what they are.

I guess some people did not see my earlier posts of how I took back the offensive things that I had posted about what were my feelings about God ,etc at the time,and of course some don't choose to believe sincerity, but some do choose to believe my sincerity, and I do appreciate that. I know people can't see into the hearts of each other, but the Holy Ghost can. If people open up their hearts, then they may be allowed to see. Christ came into the world to teach a higher law, but much of the world was not ready for it. The Mosaic Law was taught before he came, "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", even though he came and did away with that, it is still practiced so often today, and He allows it because people are not always willing to follow the higher law. Of course, we have the higher law too, some of us do, and some of us try to live it, it is a law of charity and love, where mercy is part of it, and not just justice. The City of Enoch was taken up to heaven . They lived this law. Some day, in the millenium, the City of Enoch will return again, when the earth is cleansed and ready for the Lord's 2nd Coming. The world has a great need for kindness. One of the last things Pres. Monson admonished us , before he passed away, was to be more kind. He also admonished us to read The Book of Mormon.

Right. Thank you

That is beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I always enjoyed Elder Scott's Conference talks.

The rest of my quote got cut off or isn't all together, so just forget it, it doesn't make sense, and I didn't need to put it there anyway, . It didn't go in the right spot and I'm tired of this, since its going no where anyways.

I know what hyporisy means.

don't judge unless you've walked in a person's moccassins

or do you just want to pretend it would be a piece of cake for everyone involved because God commanded it?

I mean even if you were to get married or not to both of them, don't you have any feelings that would be hard about it?

Would you feel disgusted with yourself if you had sex with 2 women?

but it is something I had not thought about, I admit.

These above statements are a response from Wade Englund about Christ being the Bridegroom and his reference to marriage and the Godhead

But I do find it helpful that I can pray for help in my marriage and in my family and have the influence of the Holy Ghost for my marriage and family.

I really don't see it quite in that way.

Thank you, we are a close family and do try to do our best.

I have apologized You either chose to forgive or you don't

I have apologized You either chose to forgive or you don't