justamere10 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Is it your opinion that fornication and adultery are sins serious enough that if unrepented of they will sift the sinner to the Lord's left hand and make tares those who would otherwise be found among the sheep at His glorious second coming?If you think so, what can Christians of all denominations do to warn sexual sinners about the seriousness of what they are doing, and the urgent need to repent?If there's ever a lull on this board, you can also discuss this topic on the nondenominational Sifting Time board www.CTR1.org:Sifting Time - free nondenominational Christian Religion Forum discussion board CTR1.org • Index page------"Thou shalt not commit adultery." Exodus 20"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left." Matthew 25: 32-33 Matthew 25"But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.... Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.... The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." Matthew 13: 25,30,38,40Matthew 13"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Revelation 14:15Revelation 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aodan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 The seriousness of a sin can be measured by the effect it has on the person that commits it. If they do not understand that adultery and fornication are wrong then they do not understand the scriptures. The scriptures clearly state that adultery is a serious crime and was punishable by death. If a woman was not a virgin, as she claimed to be, and her new husband discovered this, he had the right to tell her father and give her a paper of divorce. If people will understand the laws of God and allow them to govern their lives, they would know that they must "Abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thes. 5:22). Happiness would fill their souls and they would always delight in righteous doing. They would also be much more receptive to the truth. Perhaps we should unload with truth on their forums in the hopes that at least one soul would turn to their God and find peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkerboy Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No thanks. I am trying to quit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aodan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 "I bear testimony to you that those moments in my life when I have been unhappy, depressed, or sad are when I have deviated, even in a minor degree, from the teachings of the Lord." - Elder Robert D. Hales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamere10 Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No thanks. I am trying to quit. I'm tempted to say "check mate" but maybe "good boy" would be more appropriate. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Isn't this something we all know is wrong and to be avoided........ Not just from a religious standpoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aodan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No thanks. I am trying to quit. That's fine but we've been counseled to share the news of the restoration with others through the internet. This does not mean that we should engage people in argument, we should never do that. But we should correct people on points of doctrine that we have a sound understanding of. We should make sure that they know we are speaking of ourselves and not by any authority from our church. Read LDS.org - Ensign Article - Sharing the Gospel Using the Internet to understand this advice better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 . But we should correct people on points of doctrine that we have a sound understanding of. Where does it say this???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aodan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 "This, of course, requires that you understand the basic principles of the gospel. It is essential that you are able to offer a clear and correct witness of gospel truths. It is also important that you and the people to whom you testify understand that you do not speak for the Church as a whole. You speak as one member" I paraphrased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I don't belive we should correct anyone........... We should present our beliefs to others with love and compassion................. again today I refer to Article 11 "We claim the priviledge of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same priviledge, let them worship how, where, and what they may." Being overzealous and pointing out flaws in others beliefs is contrary to what we should be doing.... sharing the message, gospel to others......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Hmm, interesting question. In the church members are judged based on there understanding of gospel principles and level of commitment to the Gospel.. Things like, are they a Priesthood holder, how active in church, Endowed or not. Judged by Priesthood leaders, I mean. They determine the level of discipline or no discipline depending on these issues as well as guidance by the Spirit. If we as members of the church who have a greater knowledge that people living in the world do can be forgiven and receive mercy , then I am led to believe that Mercy will be made available through the atonement for the the truly repentant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abqfriend Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Fornication and adultery are part of a larger topic of sexual sins which can become a sexual addictions. Sexual addictions involve physical, emotional and chemical components as most addictions also do. Besides obvious repentance by the person-the church needs to reach out to those obsessed/addicted to fornication/adultery-and in our Internet society---pornography in all it's subtle forms available. I see nothing different that the Roman Brothels and the worship of the sex goddess Artemis/Diana of Ephesus than today's obsession by many with all things sexual. In the Gospel-Jesus said that looking at a woman with lust was as sinful as committing that sin itself--both can enslave the person. So-let the Church help those involved in sexual perversions/addictions of all kinds. Rather than verbally stoning a person-extend the olive branch of a loving community in helping that person overcome their addictive potential. Sexual Sins-in my opinion are destroying many church members of various denominations from within. We need to extend the olive branch of help. We are either a condemning community or a caring one-let's be a caring one. Indeed the person needs to repent-or turn away from such things-but sometimes that person needs the help of a compassionate Christian community. -Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapilioMemnon Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 No thanks!The best discourse we can ever give to anyone is by the way we live our lives and our beliefs. I chose to follow certain things and my faith because I believe in them; I was given the gift of agency to choose for myself for my life, not others.I have to set an example, and live those things, in this case, be chaste, and live the law of chastity that means not only abstaining from physical contact when unmarried, but also in thoughts/clothing/speech/things I watch & listen that are not good/right (not in harmony with the standards & teachings of my beliefs), and are under my control. I feel we can explain our beliefs about chastity, answer them when they ask us about it, but I certainly cannot choose for them; I can't point fingers at anyone, judge them, especially if they do not claim to believe or have chosen NOT to live their lives according to them as well if they were a believer at some point. They have to come to that belief/understanding themselves, and choose to do them.I really like when King Benjamin said in his discourse to the members of the church:Mosiah 49 Believe in aGod; believe that he is, and that he bcreated all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all cwisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not dcomprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend. 10 And again, believe that ye must arepent of your sins and forsake them, and humble yourselves before God; and ask in bsincerity of heart that he would cforgive you; and now, if you dbelieve all these things see that ye edo them. He basically says, be an example of a believer; he didn't say make sure others do the same. All that I can do is live according to that!Aodan, post#4, I echo the same things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hordak Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Isn't this something we all know is wrong and to be avoided........ Not just from a religious standpointNo not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 really well that surprises me......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hordak Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 really well that surprises me.........really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 yes but I am use to it lately......... Can you elaborate ?????? I think most/everyone knows the pitfafalls of fornication and Adultry and then thers trhe religious aspect...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hordak Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 yes but I am use to it lately.........Can you elaborate ??????I think most/everyone knows the pitfafalls of fornication and Adultry and then thers trhe religious aspect......Adultery is a Grey area (from a non religious perspective) but Fornication is not only not taught as wrong but something to be celebrated. It's not the unwed mothers, baby daddies and carriers of stds who are looked down upon.It's the virgins, the men who aren't man enough to get some and the women who are too prudish who are the butt of the jokes.The guy who sleeps with a girl he just met is a hero.While someone whos values make him celebete is a dweeb. This is the way of the world(or the US) from a non religious aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Wow not in this part of the USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hordak Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Wow not in this part of the USAWhere do you live Plesantville? Seriosly I want to raise my kids there?I've lived in FL, MI,OH,CA,TX, worked with people of all types of back ground, from different places , different ages and it was a fairly common held belief that fornication was ok. In fact in my/ my wifes career field adultery is pretty common place as well.Sad but true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I live in a little town in the mountains in Oregon.......... We chose to live up here because the school is small and the community close I do know what you mean just haven't wxperienced it up here, now that dosen' mean were pristine up here but for our kids the emphasis is personal best, challenging ones self and honor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Is it your opinion that fornication and adultery are sins serious enough that if unrepented of they will sift the sinner to the Lord's left hand and make tares those who would otherwise be found among the sheep at His glorious second coming?It's my opinion that any sin unrepented of will separate man from God. What makes adultery and fornication so special?That's fine but we've been counseled to share the news of the restoration with others through the internet. This does not mean that we should engage people in argument, we should never do that. But we should correct people on points of doctrine that we have a sound understanding of. We should make sure that they know we are speaking of ourselves and not by any authority from our church. Read LDS.org - Ensign Article - Sharing the Gospel Using the Internet to understand this advice better.Holy conversational whiplash batman! Where did that come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 It's my opinion that any sin unrepented of will separate man from God. What makes adultery and fornication so special? Not sure, maybe the peoples of Sodom and Gomorrah could shed some light on it. Also, these particular sins seems extremely psychologically hurtful to all parties involved. Then there are ruined marriages, sexually transmitted diseases, children not knowing who their fathers are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamere10 Posted July 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 It's my opinion that any sin unrepented of will separate man from God. What makes adultery and fornication so special?The context that I intended is a discussion of what sins are serious enough that if unrepented of would disqualify the sinner from living during the Millennium should the Second Coming happen tomorrow? (Keeping in mind that the Millennium will be a Terrestrial state.)Would adultery and fornication, each of which are very common in America today, be among such sins? If so, what could cyber missionaries of any denomination do by way of warning their neighbor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospectmom Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I think your intent is great but we are to give hope and teach of our gospel not condem and point out sins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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