skippy740 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hi Kevin,Please understand that the rules here have a purpose and no one is being forced to participate here. Thank you. ~Moderator~I am happy that Kevin is here.However, I have a problem with the above poster with their first post.I don't think that anyone should use the name "moderator" in vain - particularly usurping some kind of "authority" that isn't recognized.It is my opinion that "moderator" should be told to change their name on this site and behave appropriately.I bring this up because I didn't think that this was an appropriate comment and it really isn't from one of OUR moderators.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I am happy that Kevin is here.However, I have a problem with the above poster with their first post.I don't think that anyone should use the name "moderator" in vain - particularly usurping some kind of "authority" that isn't recognized.It is my opinion that "moderator" should be told to change their name on this site and behave appropriately.I bring this up because I didn't think that this was an appropriate comment and it really isn't from one of OUR moderators.Thank you. Actually, it IS appropriate. And the person who wrote that (not me) IS a moderator. If any member of this site doesn't want to read and follow the rules, they are free to leave at any time. If they wish to ignore the site rules, their leaving may be more compulsory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthyAngel Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Actually, it IS appropriate. And the person who wrote that (not me) IS a moderator. If any member of this site doesn't want to read and follow the rules, they are free to leave at any time. If they wish to ignore the site rules, their leaving may be more compulsory.Hmmm... the profile of "Moderator" has still only made one post, and is still identified as a "Junior Member", rather than as a "Moderator".So, I really can't blame someone for believing that someone created a new profile, using the name "Moderator" in order to pose as a moderator, without actually being one.And now that you vouch for "Moderator" as being a moderator, and their profile still has them as being from Afghanistan, and a Junior Member... I just wonder what game is being played here.Sorry if it makes me curious.Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Actually if you look again, Moderator is now showing the official title. We apologize for the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Don't be curious. 'Moderator' was not intended to be a poster, it was an accident that it happened. Moderator is used for issuing infractions and editing posts, not as a contributor to the board. 'Moderator' was created with the intention of avoiding having certain posters complain that they are being targeted by certain mods whom they have disagreed with in the past. Let me assure you that no one single moderator takes unilateral action against a member of this site unless there is a pressing need for immediate action, such as when we get spammed with porn. Usually there is a concensus taken before any action is made against any member of the site. We reach agreement in actions taken. If you have any further concerns about this, feel free to contact any head moderator for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 It is not ONE particular person. Any moderator can use this username. That way it all appears to come from the moderating team instead of one moderator. As john doe stated. Now it will appear that someone isn't being targeted by one person. If you have an issue with it bring it up with Heather who IS the administrator of the site. It's not breaking rules.. Moderator is from the team not a particular individual. Before it is used it is discussed by the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I can make and break any rule I want. So there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthyAngel Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Having a generic moderator account makes sense and doesn't seem like a violation of the rules. I was thinking more of a specific moderator having a specific alternate username, which does seem that way. But now I understand the intent here.Yeah, I understand, too...And not surprised that they're keeping a close eye on me, rabble-rouser that I am.I do keep wondering, however, at this feeling I have that the rules might be vague enough to simply slap an infraction on someone, merely because moderators (or Heather) don't like or don't agree with what's been said.And Heather's own statement that she can make or break rules at will seems to imply that this is really an autocratic environment, and "rule of law" doesn't apply here.Am I wrong?Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Having a generic moderator account makes sense and doesn't seem like a violation of the rules. I was thinking more of a specific moderator having a specific alternate username, which does seem that way. But now I understand the intent here.I do appreciate you giving me the setup to be obnoxious and snide though :)Kevin, yes. Plus I am allowed to be sarcastic and shed my robotic shell if the opportunity presents itself. I'm glad we're on the same page.And with that note, I better go to bed before I become even more human and growing a sense of humor as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Everyone should be held to the same rules, including mods, including you. If I see someone breaking the rules while hiding behind this new account, I'll report them anyway. I'm sure you have some method to determine who is using it. By all means report it fent. I am in agreement that moderators need to follow the same rules. And yes we have a system in place to monitor who uses it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthyAngel Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 By all means report it fent. I am in agreement that moderators need to follow the same rules. And yes we have a system in place to monitor who uses it.Good, because as the Internet itself has taught us... there's nothing like anonymity to bring out the abusive side of people.I have a strong need for fairness and consistency, and a strong suspicion of those with blanket authority.I believe in being authoritative, not authoritarian.I already believe there's been an injustice done to me because I dared to disagree with one of the moderators, so please pardon me for being hyper-vigilant.Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Who'd have thunk all because of an introduction. hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthyAngel Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Who'd have thunk all because of an introduction. hahahahaYou see, it's all part of my Jedi mind tricks...It starts with my genuine expectation that I will, by my virtue of being an apostate (and heretic) and somewhat proud of it, generate some hostility toward me.So, instead of trying to sneak in here do it all quiet-like, I'd just start off by announcing my status as apostate (and heretic), and that I really do expect to be hated for that by some.Because of that act, I have created some cognitive dissonance in some, who definitely do NOT want to think of themselves as capable of hating someone on that basis (or at all), and found a number of people ready and willing to jump to my defense... because Heaven forbid that my expectations should be true!That said, now that I have revealed my diabolical plan to trick people into coming over to my side... do I now lose their support, and earn their hatred (because no one likes being tricked), or do they stick with me, further convinced of their need to convince me that I am not the subject of hatred, but rather of love and support... because don't we all want to be thought of (and think of ourselves) as loving and supportive people?And now that I have thoroughly messed with everyone's heads, maybe I'll start seeing some authenticity from people, which is my REAL goal in the first place.:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Ummm can I answer that tomorrow when I've had some sleep? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarthyAngel Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Ummm can I answer that tomorrow when I've had some sleep? lolPlease do. ;-)You can love or hate me as you choose just as well tomorrow as tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 dude...you chose, earthy angel...not ...spiritual devil......and i KNOW you see the difference.....have been reading some of the other posts...really liked the one where you said that you felt more connected now......funny how that works sometimes.....glad for you....good to see you here...welcome brother....of spirit...not politics.....maybe come by the chatroom sometime.......and thanks....i know the way i type can be a chore....YOU WERE STRONG !!!!....lol....see you round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 ...and is obviously someone who already comes here, cause random newbies aren't made moderators. Not that this would be the first moderator to have multiple accounts. How does that fit in with rule number 6? Is this meant to be a generic anonymous moderator username so we can't tell who it is?edit: I typed this up before I saw this reply:This ISN'T the problem that I thought it was.First, thank you for responding to my post and helping me feel at ease.I've been on a message board where there is simply TOO MUCH DRAMA from certain "cyberbullies". They become banned, and they change their email and plague the board some more - and this has gone on for about 2-3 YEARS.The last thing I would want to see happen on this board is some kind of cyberbully who impersonates a moderator by choosing the "moderator" name and begins to spout off some orders to forum members without being made a moderator.Yes, this has happened before (not here).So, when I saw:1 post"junior member"Afganistan and an inappropriate comment for such a profile of a poster, I had concerns.Since the validity of the poster has been made, I no longer have any issues with the post. But the last thing I wanted to see, was someone who runs around "policing" others on this really nice forum - without the authority to do so.That was all.I'm not really paranoid because they REALLY ARE out to get me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 thanks for watcing out skippy......have had time to meet some moderators in chat...not all are LDS......but they're awesome people...and that works for me...stop by sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 OOPS...sso sorry....did i say BUT ??....oh no...i'll hear about that....i meant AND....AND.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 still not what i want to say...i'm shutting up now...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 You see, it's all part of my Jedi mind tricks...It starts with my genuine expectation that I will, by my virtue of being an apostate (and heretic) and somewhat proud of it, generate some hostility toward me.So, instead of trying to sneak in here do it all quiet-like, I'd just start off by announcing my status as apostate (and heretic), and that I really do expect to be hated for that by some.Because of that act, I have created some cognitive dissonance in some, who definitely do NOT want to think of themselves as capable of hating someone on that basis (or at all), and found a number of people ready and willing to jump to my defense... because Heaven forbid that my expectations should be true!That said, now that I have revealed my diabolical plan to trick people into coming over to my side... do I now lose their support, and earn their hatred (because no one likes being tricked), or do they stick with me, further convinced of their need to convince me that I am not the subject of hatred, but rather of love and support... because don't we all want to be thought of (and think of ourselves) as loving and supportive people?And now that I have thoroughly messed with everyone's heads, maybe I'll start seeing some authenticity from people, which is my REAL goal in the first place.:-)How dare you suggest that I've been "tricked"!Try this one: You have been shown understanding, love and fellowship. (And no, I haven't read the entire thread here.)Try to beat that one with your Jedi Mind tricks! (I wouldn't call that Jedi, but Sith tricks.)Don't mess with me, because my Grandmother's name is Karma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 skippy.....KHARMA....is granny to all of us.......or for some..reap as you sew.....same-o..same-o..in my book....i dont think its a matter of symantics.....but of embracing truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Kevin, I'm just curious... what line of work are you in? The reason I ask is that you remind me of some people on a very good discussion board for my industry. (And yes, I consider them good people who do a lot of good for the work that they do.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazed-and-confused Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 i'm semi-retired....but now working on being a chef....previously?.....navy corpsman/nurse.....comp hdwr in the 80s...then various things.......lol..i have varied interests......thanks for asking.....uh..you asking ME...right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 I didn't know your name was Kevin! Good to know a little more about you though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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