Rally for the Republic

[a-train]

Did anyone follow this event?

Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty | Rally for The Republic > August 31 - September 2nd

There are a lot of Americans still wanting liberty and freedom.

-a-train

Edited September 6, 2008 by pam
Discusses current presidential candidates in the video

[bytor2112]

Did anyone follow this event?

Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty | Rally for The Republic > August 31 - September 2nd

There are a lot of Americans still wanting liberty and freedom.

-a-train

There are a lot more Americans who aren't decieved in to believing that we don't have liberty and freedom.......and many who have been dying in defense of our liberty and freedom.

[a-train]

There are a lot more Americans who aren't decieved in to believing that we don't have liberty and freedom.......and many who have been dying in defense of our liberty and freedom.

It's wonderful. With this last Presidential Administration and the current political climate, I was beginning to wonder if we would ever see the return of constitutionalism and restraint of government on the main stage. At least now it's on a side stage and momentum is growing.

I was truly let down to see a Republican controlled government sell us out so bad. All the promises of small government and lower spending were tossed out the window and what we got instead are the greatest deficits in American history, a strong move toward military adventurism, the Patriot Act, deeper federal involvement in education, etc. The bottom line is that we got a bigger more expensive and intrusive government than we had a decade ago.

Now we have a large and rapidly growing movement among our youth and in general that is truly ready for a real reduction in the scope and expense of the federal government and a return to increased liberty and prosperity. That is what this rally is about. Did you look at the speaches and see what was said?

-a-train

Edited September 6, 2008 by a-train

[kona0197]

I was truly let down to see a Republican controlled government sell us out so bad.

And that was a surprise to you?

[bytor2112]

It's wonderful. With this last Presidential Administration and the current political climate, I was beginning to wonder if we would ever see the return of constitutionalism and restraint of government on the main stage. At least now it's on a side stage and momentum is growing.

I agree. The last Presidential Administration (1992-2000) and the current Administration have done little to slow the over arching reach of Government nor have they done anything to retard the ever increasing size of government. I have high hopes after the most recent ® convention and hopefully they have got the message loud and clear. Les is more in government and a return to real conservatism is way over due....IMO, and probably won't be immediate.

I was truly let down to see a Republican controlled government sell us out so bad. All the promises of small government and lower spending were tossed out the window and what we got instead are the greatest deficits in American history, a strong move toward military adventurism, the Patriot Act, deeper federal involvement in education, etc. The bottom line is that we got a bigger more expensive and intrusive government than we had a decade ago.

Let down... you bet. And the current Congress is not surprisingly a huge let down as well. I am not sure we have the greatest deficits in US history as a percentage of GDP, but high deficits for sure. 911, Iraq, Afghanistan, Homeland Security Department are all contributors to higher deficit spending.......whether one agrees with the necessity of any of these things after 911 or not. I personally do agree with the necessity.....perhaps not the methods or outcomes. Medicare spending bill.....huge waste and unnecesary. I hope the new Administration find a Veto pen. Close the Dept. of Education and give parents choice in Schools...all for it. Is government bigger now than a decade ago...yes, but 911 encouraged much of that growth. A final comment on deficit spending........ deficit spending can be good and bad. It really depends on the specifics.....National defense, infrastructure or severe economic recession are viable reasons for deficit spending. Deficit spending for wasteful expenditures like the Medicare bill or ever increasing of the Nanny welfare programs, etc and the grand give aways to Countries that hate us is bad.

Now we have a large and rapidly growing movement among our youth and in general that is truly ready for a real reduction in the scope and expense of the federal government and a return to increased liberty and prosperity. That is what this rally is about. Did you look at the speaches and see what was said?

-a-train

No, I haven't read any of the speeches. I hope we have a huge resurgence in the conservative movement....true conservatism. I don't think to highly of Dr. Paul...even though he is a conservative ®. I hope the youth will get involved and change the GOP into a true force for smaller Government.

[a-train]

Ezra Taft Benson, Friday, June 21, 1968:

There is one and only one legitimate goal of United States foreign policy. It is a narrow goal, a nationalistic goal: the preservation of our national independence. Nothing in the Constitution grants that the President shall have the privilege of offering himself as a world leader. He’s our executive; he’s on our payroll, in necessary; he’s supposed to put our best interests in front of those of other nations. Nothing in the Constitution nor in logic grants to the President of the United States or to Congress the power to influence the political life of other countries, to “uplift” their cultures, to bolster their economies, to feed their peoples or even to defend them against their enemies. This point was made clear by the wise father of our country, George Washington:

I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation has a right to intermeddle in the internal concerns of another; that every one had a right to form and adopt whatever government they liked best to live under them selves; and that if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace, it was bound to do so by motives of policy, interest, and every other consideration. — George Washington (1732-1799) Letter to James Monroe (25 Aug. 1796)

President Benson was right, and just as you said, our foreign policy is the root cause for our troubles. We are breaking the bank on so-called 'national defence'. The question is which nation are we defending? What we are engaged in today is international policing via our military: an exceedingly expensive policy indeed.

A new wave of conservatism is growing in this country at lightning speed, and I praise God for it every day. The hilarious part: the Republican Party can't catch it.

PS: Ron Paul has the best conservative voting record in Congressional history. He is a veteran, a husband of one wife, a medical doctor, and has fought Washington unwaveringly for conservative reform for decades. There are no scandals, no hollywood events to link him to. He has never voted for a tax increase, but consistently votes 'no'. He has never voted to increase the scope of the federal government but consitently votes 'no'. For that reason he has been called: 'Dr. No'. While other candidates pander to lobbyists and still create debt while campaigning, Paul goes grass roots and raises more money than his competitors. What is not to like about this guy? His looks? His sense of humor?

It was simply a fact that the media blocked him out. That is the cold reality.

He will go down in history as one of the great American conservatives, and if this current movement has its way, a conservative revolution will take place and he will be known as its father.

-a-train

Edited September 6, 2008 by a-train

[bytor2112]

Ezra Taft Benson, Friday, June 21, 1968:

President Benson was right, and just as you said, our foreign policy is the root cause for our troubles. We are breaking the bank on so-called 'national defence'. The question is which nation are we defending? What we are engaged in today is international policing via our military: an exceedingly expensive policy indeed.

A new wave of conservatism is growing in this country at lightning speed, and I praise God for it every day. The hilarious part: the Republican Party can't catch it.

PS: Ron Paul has the best conservative voting record in Congressional history. He is a veteran, a husband of one wife, a medical doctor, and has fought Washington unwaveringly for conservative reform for decades. There are no scandals, no hollywood events to link him to. He has never voted for a tax increase, but consistently votes 'no'. He has never voted to increase the scope of the federal government but consitently votes 'no'. For that reason he has been called: 'Dr. No'. While other candidates pander to lobbyists and still create debt while campaigning, Paul goes grass roots and raises more money than his competitors. What is not to like about this guy? His looks? His sense of humor?

It was simply a fact that the media blocked him out. That is the cold reality.

He will go down in history as one of the great American conservatives, and if this current movement has its way, a conservative revolution will take place and he will be known as its father.

-a-train

I certainly can't question Dr. Paul's conservative credentials. I do however question his leadership abilities. As for the GOP......it is indeed up to the members to change the direction of the Party. Dr. Paul is still an ® I think......and I respect the fact that he has remained and chooses to try to make change by influencing others to respond to conservative ideals.....unlike others who bailed.....like Buchannan. I disagree with you about our foreign policy.......I think it is the foreign policy of other Governments that has got us into the mess we are in. It is a dangerous world...... i don't have the answers and I am not sure anyone else does either. I can't imagine how frustrating it mut be to have to confront an enemy that is really an ideology rather than a people.

[threepercent]

Welcome to the Rally for the Republic and the Revolution.

It's not much of an overstatement to say that everyone attending this Rally for the Republic knows that the American Republic hangs by a thread, and a thin one at that.

Every day the financial, political and foreign policy news verifies the crisis we face. The financial system teeters on collapse, our personal liberties continue to melt away, and the constant threat from foreign adversaries escalates daily. Yet, there's something exciting in the air. A revolutionary spirit has erupted and it will not be suppressed. We are indeed involved in an historic event.

this rings a bell. although the bell may have a crack in it, and it may quote the bible.

[kona0197]

the American Republic hangs by a thread

Whatever. No it does not. We are still a strong country. Only the very paranoid and unsecure people believe such things.

[a-train]

Whatever. No it does not. We are still a strong country. Only the very paranoid and unsecure people believe such things.

Please learn what the phrase means before you say it is untrue.

-a-train

[a-train]

I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have to confront an enemy that is really an ideology rather than a people.

You said it man. Can a particular form of idealism be combated with planes, tanks, and bombs? Our Forefathers didn't fight idealism with guns, they fought the redcoats.

When it came to confronting idealism, they limited the federal government with the Constitution. But what is ironic is the fact that we have abandoned the Constitution to make policies of foreign ideals our forefathers sought to prevent with the Constitution.

The Welfare State ideals for example need a government with power beyond that of the Constitution in order to cease the revenue and assets necessary to provide the desired entitlements. Economic liberty cannot exist under such a policy. This is the idealism of socialism. While we have fought wars the world over to prevent the spread of Communism and Socialism, we have slowly admitted ideals thereof into policy.

The real question is this: What ideals are we fighting in the middle east?

-a-train

[kona0197]

Please learn what the phrase means before you say it is untrue.

I know what it means thank you.

[a-train]

I know what it means thank you.

What does it mean?

-a-train

[kona0197]

It means you guys seem to think that America is hanging on by a thread. That's not true. Democracy is alive and well and America is doing just fine.

[a-train]

This movement is constantly misrepresented as a movement of fear and conspiracy theory. But that doesn't slow it down. While there are indeed some who fear that the corruption in Washington is as dark as Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, there can be no doubt that the situation there is characterised by greed and deception. I don't know any Americans who feel that Washington is run by nothing but good Boy Scouts who are on their honor.

The message of this movement, however, is bigger and better than all of that. This movement is not an exposé on the evils in Washington. Rather, it is movement that says that we have an easy way of dealing with such evils no matter what shape or scope they take on.

This is a movement of Constitutionalism. It is a freedom movement. It is a movement that says: It matters not what a given policy will do for us or others, if it increases the size, cost, or scope of government or requires unconstitutional powers, we do not want it. But it is not a movement of rejection, it is a movement of acceptance. Acceptance of what? FREEDOM.

-a-train

[kona0197]

You seem to forget we choose a new government every 4 years. Like I said there is nothing wrong with the United States.

People that think there is are the problem. It's fine to want change and bring change into the laws but you guys are going overboard.

[a-train]

Don't put out the fire, turn off the alarm.

Every political movement in this country believes there are problems facing this country that need fixing.

The message of this movement is not that we need big change, but that we DON'T. We want to return to Constitutionality. It is the unconstitutional policies and programs of over regulation, over taxation, and growth of government that is overboard and what we want is to NOT go overboard.

-a-train

Edited September 6, 2008 by a-train

[threepercent]

You seem to forget we choose a new government every 4 years.

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in a funny way, thats so true.

[kona0197]

I think things are fine they way they are except a pay raise would be nice. Perhaps lower taxes.

[threepercent]

Democracy is alive and well and America is doing just fine.

twice! in a funny way, thats so true.

[a-train]

I think things are fine they way they are except a pay raise would be nice. Perhaps lower taxes.

Lowering taxes is a big part of the platform of this movement. Most of the modern political scene is in the business of raising taxes and government spending. This movement is where people are going who want to see government spending and taxes DECREASE.

-a-train

Edited September 7, 2008 by a-train

[kona0197]

Good luck. The government will crush your movement probably.

[a-train]

Good luck. The government will crush your movement probably.

Now that is strange to me, the government will crush a movement of the people, yet all is well? Is that really your position?

-a-train

[kona0197]

Perhaps.

Other than wanting a few laws changed and a new President I like everything as is.

You will notice I'm not alone in this train of thought.

Good luck to you.

Edited September 7, 2008 by kona0197

[rastler00]

Perhaps.

Other than wanting a few laws changed and a new President I like everything as is.

You will notice I'm not alone in this train of though.

Good luck to you.

I am kind of like that too. I am getting on in years and just "punching my ticket" now. My time of "grand ideas to change the world" is gone now. :)