Consequences of Prop 8 Fails

[omega0401]

Here is a video of one families experience that should make you think seriously about this proposition.

LINK TO VIDEO

We really need to get this proposition past in California, Arizona, and Florida.

Please share this with others.

Thanks

Edited October 11, 2008 by omega0401

[Elphaba]

Here is a video of one families experience that should make you think seriously about this proposition.

LINK TO VIDEO

We really need to get this proposition past in California, Arizona, and Florida.

Please share this with others.

Thanks

This is a thread where we have discussed the video before.

Elphaba

[Guest HEthePrimate]

Here is a video of one families experience that should make you think seriously about this proposition.

LINK TO VIDEO

We really need to get this proposition past in California, Arizona, and Florida.

Please share this with others.

Thanks

I prefer this: Microsoft Word - MAT - Responses to Six Consequences if Prop 8 Fails

There are various places where gay marriage or civil unions are allowed, such as Massachusetts and various foreign countries. They're still alive and well, and I see no reason why California should be any different.

HEP

[Elphaba]

I prefer this: Microsoft Word - MAT - Responses to Six Consequences if Prop 8 Fails

That was excellent. Thank you for posting it.

I’d like to add one thing. In the CA case where two doctors refused to treat a lesbian, it is important to note the following:

In the Benitez case, her doctors did not refuse to treat her after the initial consultation and then refer her to another physician. They treated her as their patient for quite some time and then refused her the IVF procedure because of who she is, and that is a deviation from the guidelines stressed in the ACOG opinion and the basis for the discrimination lawsuit.

Elphaba

[Moksha]

Here is my own imaginative dire consequence: A marauding squadron of renegade Gays will commandeer the Oakland Temple and demand to be sealed for time and eternity.

In Canada, they have had gay marriage for about three years and life goes on as usual. There is no need to fear for the Canadian Temples. :)

[omega0401]

I prefer this: Microsoft Word - MAT - Responses to Six Consequences if Prop 8 Fails

There are various places where gay marriage or civil unions are allowed, such as Massachusetts and various foreign countries. They're still alive and well, and I see no reason why California should be any different.

HEP

“Children in public schools will have to be taught that same-sex marriage is just as good as traditional marriage.”

Thurston says this is untrue. Frankly, I don’t believe that at all. There are already book publishers who are putting books together to teach children that very thing for Massachusetts and they will use it in California too. One book is titled something like, “My Daddy’s Friend.” Many parents don't want their children taught these things. It is not the definition of marriage that we believe in.

If prop 8 fails, it will not be the end. I can easily see that it will eventually end up in the US Supreme court because what is taught in school violates our religious beliefs of what the definition of marriage is. The state is crossing the line of our religious beliefs and I don’t mean just the LDS church. It crosses the line of what many faiths teach. What happened to the separation of church and state? That, I think, may be decided in the US Supreme court.

Edited October 13, 2008 by pam
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[Elphaba]

There are already book publishers who are putting books together to teach children that very thing for Massachusetts and they will use it in California too. One book is titled something like, “My Daddy’s Friend.”

Do you have a link to this? I searched for quite a while, and the only reference I found was an obscene hate site.

Many parents don't want their children taught these things. It is not the definition of marriage that we believe in.

Is it just the marriage issue, or is it homosexuality itself you don’t want in the curriculum?

If prop 8 fails, it will not be the end. I can easily see that it will eventually end up in the US Supreme court because what is taught in school violates our religious beliefs of what the definition of marriage is.

Unless the curriculum contains any information that is unconstitutional, I highly doubt the SCOTUS would consider it.

In my opinion, the only way the SCOTUS would hear it is if the school were teaching religious beliefs as part of the curriculum. For example, if the curriculum included information that homosexual marriage was immoral because God forbade it, that would be a violation of the separation of church and state concept in the First Amendment.

A precedent is the Dover, PA case, where the school district wanted to include Intelligent Design in its evolution curriculum. This was challenged by some of the students' parents, who prevailed, with the court ruling ID was religious in nature. The appeals did reach the SCOTUS, but it agreed with the lower court’s ruling, and declined to consider the case.

So, again, I doubt it would consider a challenge to sex ed curriculum that included information about SSM.

(When I say the lower courts, I don’t know specifically which ones that would be. I think it would go to the appeals court, and then to the SCOTUS, but I could be wrong.)

A disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I just play one on the board.

Elphaba

Edited October 13, 2008 by Elphaba

[omega0401]

Do you have a link to this? I searched for quite a while, and the only reference I found was an obscene hate site. Elphaba

Unfortunately, I don't have the link. It was about 6-12 months ago that I read this and it was a news article not someone's blog. I'm not sure if it was in the LA Times or NY Times. I wished I had kept the link.

Is it just the marriage issue, or is it homosexuality itself you don’t want in the curriculum?

I can't speak for everyone but I believe most who support Prop 8 want marriage to be defined as only between a man and a woman. If it fails, the consequence is that same-sex marriage will be taught along with hetrosexual marriage as an acceptable lifestyle for school children to consider as they grow up. That's offensive because same-sex marriage is not acceptable in many religions. It is considered a sinful lifestyle and one that children of God who live this lifestyle should repent of. If that's offensive to some, God made up the rules not me.

While we tolerate people who wish to choose that life style, it does not mean that we have to sit back and have the state teach it to our children and grand-children. I believe that is what has many parents and grand-parents upset.

Unless the curriculum contains any information that is unconstitutional, I highly doubt the SCOTUS would consider it.

The separation of church and state sounds like a very strong reason to me. If that is violated, then I believe SCOTUS will have a reason to listen to it. But even if there is a reason, SCOTUS still might not listen to it.

Some may argue that same-sex marriage has nothing to do with religion or with God therefore the state can teach this. This may be the very argument that is brought before SCOTUS.

A disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I just play one on the board.

Do you give discounts for your web legalize? :) Edited October 13, 2008 by omega0401