Planned Parenthood and Christianity ?????

[Wingnut]

Are you suggesting that in order to clean the black mark we should remove anything associated with that regime. Let's get rid of the space program, and everything that came because of it. Say goodbye to microwaves!

And Tang! :eek:

[PeterVenkman]

So how do you feel about the death penalty?

[YoungMormonRoyalist]

Sorry to hijack your question for a sec Peter, just wanted to ask a quick question.

What's the position of most Church members, the First Presidency, the Stake Presidency, their friends, their friend's relatives, and their dogs on BC?

Cus honestly....I'm not sure if I want a honeymoon baby....

[bytor2112]

And Tang! :eek:

Dang Tang Is that stuff still around?

[MarginOfError]

Sorry to hijack your question for a sec Peter, just wanted to ask a quick question.

What's the position of most Church members, the First Presidency, the Stake Presidency, their friends, their friend's relatives, and their dogs on BC?

Cus honestly....I'm not sure if I want a honeymoon baby....

If you don't mind me Tooting my own horn, you can try that post. If you can't get access to it and you're over 18 years old, talk to a mod.

[YoungMormonRoyalist]

I need a mod!!!!

[Guest ceeboo]

I need an aspirin !!

[DigitalShadow]

If you don't mind me Tooting my own horn, you can try that post. If you can't get access to it and you're over 18 years old, talk to a mod.

I'm over 18 as well and can't access that post, can a mod please make my account reflect that?

(I didn't even know this forum had posts with age restriction, or are you just joking around?)

[Wingnut]

So how do you feel about the death penalty?

1) To whom are you addressing this question?

2) Holy Batman!

[PeterVenkman]

This is not a thread hijack this is a question for clarity. Most people here are all about the rigid either/or nature of abortion because it apparently involves protecting the sanctity of life. In my opinion, if we are really in favor of protecting all life in every single circumstance as a universal rule, then we should make sure our stand in favor of life shows in all contexts.

The first question with regard to this is, how do you feel about capital punishment? I believe it is a pretty blatant contradiction if someone opposes abortion but simultaneously supports the death penalty. Likewise, I feel the same way about war, and I do not understand how anyone can oppose abortion on the grounds of the sanctity of life and then support war in any form.

Not a thread hijack, just a question designed to elicit thoughts on the value of life.

[Guest SisterofJared]

Sorry to hijack your question for a sec Peter, just wanted to ask a quick question.

What's the position of most Church members, the First Presidency, the Stake Presidency, their friends, their friend's relatives, and their dogs on BC?

Cus honestly....I'm not sure if I want a honeymoon baby....

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think their dogs are strictly against birth control.

The dogs want honeymoon babies.

SoJ

Edited November 20, 2008 by SisterofJared

[Guest SisterofJared]

Peter, surely you notice the difference between murdering innocent unborn babies who have no choice in the matter, and the state execution of a murderer who did choose the activity that brought him the punishment?

[Wingnut]

This is not a thread hijack this is a question for clarity. Most people here are all about the rigid either/or nature of abortion because it apparently involves protecting the sanctity of life. In my opinion, if we are really in favor of protecting all life in every single circumstance as a universal rule, then we should make sure our stand in favor of life shows in all contexts.

The first question with regard to this is, how do you feel about capital punishment? I believe it is a pretty blatant contradiction if someone opposes abortion but simultaneously supports the death penalty. Likewise, I feel the same way about war, and I do not understand how anyone can oppose abortion on the grounds of the sanctity of life and then support war in any form.

Not a thread hijack, just a question designed to elicit thoughts on the value of life.

Okay, that makes sense then.

I understand what you are saying about consistency, however, I know that many will point out a fairly obvious difference. Abortion is taking an innocent life, while the death penalty is justice for one who has been convicted of a heinous crime.

[PeterVenkman]

I'm sorry, but, the way you guys talk about it, qualifiers do not matter. You characterize your pro-life stance as a universal rule to protect existence. After all, life is precious, and if you are truly correct, then we should protect life at all costs...even the lives of murderers. Murder is wrong, but it is not ok to murder anyone, regardless of whether they were a murderer. This is what we call moral consistency.

If we honestly believe that life is precious, then there should be no act that allows others to deprive someone of that life. Are you really willing to say that you only care about protecting "innocent" life and that non-innocent life doesn't get the same rights?

What about war?

[Wingnut]

I'm sorry, but, the way you guys talk about it, qualifiers do not matter. You characterize your pro-life stance as a universal rule to protect existence. After all, life is precious, and if you are truly correct, then we should protect life at all costs...even the lives of murderers. Murder is wrong, but it is not ok to murder anyone, regardless of whether they were a murderer. This is what we call moral consistency.

If we honestly believe that life is precious, then there should be no act that allows others to deprive someone of that life. Are you really willing to say that you only care about protecting "innocent" life and that non-innocent life doesn't get the same rights?

What about war?

Please do not classify all of us under "you guys." We do not all share the same opinions, and we are not cookie-cutters.

[PeterVenkman]

You're right, you are not cookie cutters and I sincerely apologize if you were offended by the phrase, "you guys." It didn't seem offensive when I wrote it. I was asked who this question was directed at, and I was attempting to include everyone who was opposing abortion on the basis that it is "murdering unborn children" and disrespectful to the sanctity of life.

[Guest ceeboo]

Does anyone know where I can find the Christian forum ????

[PeterVenkman]

I believe you are on one.

[Truegrits]

I am against the death penalty, because I believe the greater punishment is to have to live, every day, for the rest of your life, confined. Death is, by far, the easy way out.

[Wingnut]

I believe you are on one.

Again, it's unclear at whom this is directed, but if it's me, you're wrong. I'm pro-choice.

[bytor2112]

I am unsure about the death penalty. Not because I think it is cruel....but because in some cases it is way to easy. Also, I am not sure justice is always served....DNA testing has proved a lot of people innocent who were locked up. So, for me , I guess the jury is still out. I would be in favor of a life sentence of some serious hard labor for those convicted of violent crimes....rape, murder, child molestation. Also, no health care for these inmates...serious suffering. I don't know.......I was once all for it, now....? Edited November 21, 2008 by bytor2112

[KristofferUmfrey]

Hard Labor is good and I think too many prisoners get a pass living in prison getting to watch cable TV, workout, etc... There are plenty of public works projects that could be funded for much less using inmate labor.

I do however disagree about no health care, as long as they are in state care the major health concerns should be addressed, just as I believe children to the age of 21 should receive health care, after that they are on their own to get it through work or paying for it privately.

[john doe]

I'm over 18 as well and can't access that post, can a mod please make my account reflect that?

(I didn't even know this forum had posts with age restriction, or are you just joking around?)

You should be good to go now.

[Guest SisterofJared]

I'm sorry, but, the way you guys talk about it, qualifiers do not matter. You characterize your pro-life stance as a universal rule to protect existence. After all, life is precious, and if you are truly correct, then we should protect life at all costs...even the lives of murderers. Murder is wrong, but it is not ok to murder anyone, regardless of whether they were a murderer. This is what we call moral consistency.

If we honestly believe that life is precious, then there should be no act that allows others to deprive someone of that life. Are you really willing to say that you only care about protecting "innocent" life and that non-innocent life doesn't get the same rights?

What about war?

Yes, Peter, that is EXACTLY what I am saying. Non-innocent people do not get the same rights. Well, actually they have the same rights originally, and by choice they give them up by deciding to murder others.

This is morally consistent. They "Characterization of our prolife stance as a universal rule to protect existence" is ALL in your head. I state clearly: Killing of unborn innocent babies is murder. Abortion is murder. Killing a convicted criminal who has murdered others to get gain or as a form of sick violence is not murder. It is justified.

The same God who said, "Thou shalt not kill." also said, "Thou shalt utterly destroy." If you lack the ability to tell the difference between the slaughter of innocent life and the just punishment of murder, then there is probably nothing that can be done to reach you.

Sister of Jared

[PeterVenkman]

If you lack the ability to tell the difference between the slaughter of innocent life and the just punishment of murder, then there is probably nothing that can be done to reach you.

If you lack the ability to know that playing God by deciding when it is justified to murder someone and when it is not justified to murder someone starts down a dangerous slippery slope towards all sorts of moral decay, then there is probably nothing that can be done to reach you.