Matt Posted December 16, 2004 Report Posted December 16, 2004 I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus.It would be seen as Blasphemy.Gives pause for thought... :) Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 16 2004, 01:55 PM I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus.It would be seen as Blasphemy.Gives pause for thought... :) The largest body of Christians in the world is the Catholic Church, which praises the heck out of a whole constellation of saints, and venerates Mary with a reverence approaching that offered to God.From the Catholic Encyclopedia article on "adoration":Latria, as we have already said, is the name of this latter worship; and for the secondary kind, evoked by saints or angels, we use the term dulia. The Blessed Virgin, as manifesting in a sublimer manner than any other creature the goodness of God, deserves from us a higher recognition and deeper veneration than any other of the saints; and this peculiar cultus due to her because of her unique position in the Divine economy, is designated in theology hyperdulia, that is dulia in an eminent degree. It is unfortunate that neither our own language nor the Latin possesses in its terminology the precision of the Greek.What do you think the phrase "Ave Maria" means?Note that the LDS hymn "Praise to the Man" does not characterize Church members' admiration of Joseph Smith as "worship" (latria), but rather as praise. Language is imprecise, but it's perfectly clear that Mormons do not place Joseph Smith on a plane with God. One could say that Mormons express the equivalent of dulia towards Joseph Smith.Of course, to a Protestant, the whole veneration of the saints thing borders on idolatry anyway -- but if you're going to whack the Mormons for "Praise to the Man", you'd better take a couple thousand more whacks at the Catholics, who praise about that many saints. Quote
Snow Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 16 2004, 12:55 PM I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus. So Matt, following up on PD's response....Other than the majority of Christians in the world, then no. Quote
Amillia Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 16 2004, 02:55 PM I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus.It would be seen as Blasphemy.Gives pause for thought... :) I see Buda statues in temples in China, Apostle statues in Cathedrals all over the world, and Virgin Marys. Come to think of it, they have a dozen patron saints. What about Mohamad? Quote
Setheus Posted December 17, 2004 Report Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 16 2004, 01:55 PM I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus.It would be seen as Blasphemy.Gives pause for thought... :) are you kidding?! We (christians) praise men all the time.How rightious Noah was!How worthy Moses was!How wise Joseph of old was!How godly was Nephi, and How close to God Moroni was!and yes, how glorious was Joseph Smith's mission in this life!I think we are getting "Praise" and "Worship" mixed up.I only worship God and His Christ. Quote
Matt Posted December 26, 2004 Author Report Posted December 26, 2004 Interesting point. Veneration, praise, worship, all different subjects. Let's put it this way, "Praise to the Man" has no counterpart in any Christian sect that I am aware of. (We will leave Jesus' mother out of this one, as she was the Mother of Jesus and a special case) Quote
Outshined Posted December 26, 2004 Report Posted December 26, 2004 Mary was indeed the mother of Christ, but I see no difference in singing about her and any other person. She is not diety. Quote
Outshined Posted December 26, 2004 Report Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus@Dec 17 2004, 02:46 PM are you kidding?! We (christians) praise men all the time.How rightious Noah was!How worthy Moses was!How wise Joseph of old was!How godly was Nephi, and How close to God Moroni was!and yes, how glorious was Joseph Smith's mission in this life!I think we are getting "Praise" and "Worship" mixed up.I only worship God and His Christ. Good answer! Quote
srm Posted December 26, 2004 Report Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Setheus+Dec 17 2004, 01:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Setheus @ Dec 17 2004, 01:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Matt@Dec 16 2004, 01:55 PM I've always wondered if other religions have any hymns which praise individual people instead of God directly.By religions I presume the poster means Chrstian sects.If so, then, no, I am not aware of any christian sect that praises someone other than God or Jesus.It would be seen as Blasphemy.Gives pause for thought... :) are you kidding?! We (christians) praise men all the time.How rightious Noah was!How worthy Moses was!How wise Joseph of old was!How godly was Nephi, and How close to God Moroni was!and yes, how glorious was Joseph Smith's mission in this life!I think we are getting "Praise" and "Worship" mixed up.I only worship God and His Christ. Or Billy graham & Michael King... Quote
Snow Posted December 26, 2004 Report Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 25 2004, 06:47 PM Interesting point. Veneration, praise, worship, all different subjects.Let's put it this way, "Praise to the Man" has no counterpart in any Christian sect that I am aware of. (We will leave Jesus' mother out of this one, as she was the Mother of Jesus and a special case) Guess you don't get out much...Praise: Expression of approval, commendation, or admiration. The extolling of a deity, ruler, or hero.The Lutherans approve, commed, admire extoll and praise Martin Luther so much that they named their Church and themselves after him. You may not have heard of them before but there are perhaps hundreds, or thousands of Lutherans - maybe more - in the world. Ah heck, there might be tens of millions out there.You may not think that Catholics praise, express approval or admire their Saints but I can promise you - cuz I do get out occasionally - that they do indeed praise and honor Saints. For that matter, how do you think the Popes and Cardinals and Bishops get all that bling bling and cool hats Matt?...here's a hint: They don't get it cuz there ain't admired. Quote
Matt Posted December 26, 2004 Author Report Posted December 26, 2004 how do you think the Popes and Cardinals and Bishops get all that bling bling and cool hats Matt?Cuz they got promoted! Also because they are symbolic of a variety of different things, also perhaps to remind their congregation that they are God's representative on Earth? Quote
Setheus Posted December 26, 2004 Report Posted December 26, 2004 Originally posted by Matt@Dec 25 2004, 08:42 PM how do you think the Popes and Cardinals and Bishops get all that bling bling and cool hats Matt?Cuz they got promoted! Also because they are symbolic of a variety of different things, also perhaps to remind their congregation that they are God's representative on Earth? Sort of like a clown has to wear all that make-up to remind his audience that he is funny?If all that symbolism aka "bling bling" is nessessary then why did Christ wear regular blue collar cloths in His day? I'm not impressed by the pope's mumbling Italian. I speak Italian and can barely make him out. (when I choose to hear what he has to say.) But Hinkley, now that man can deliver a talk with the vigor and command presence of a man half his age. (and I believe he is older than the pope) ??? I think. I hope not to offend anyone but the Pope is to being God's mouthpiece as Queen Elizebeth is to being the governing authority of the United Kingdom.Lots of money and P/R and influence but when it comes right down to it Parlement and Hinkley step up and make things happen. Quote
Lindy Posted January 2, 2005 Report Posted January 2, 2005 Sort of like a clown has to wear all that make-up to remind his audience that he is funny?If all that symbolism aka "bling bling" is nessessary then why did Christ wear regular blue collar cloths in His day?Good point!One of the questions I still have to this day.. is the "symbolism" of pomp and circumstance really what Christ want's for His people? I think of the Indiana Jones movie when the shiny and decorated goblet was chosen and lo and behold.....that choice was wrong. The riches and wealth paraded about means nothing to me, but I do have the upmost respect for Billy Graham. Always have, always will. And I have deep love and respect for Pres. Hinkley for who he is and what he stands for. Pomp and Circumstance.....BLAAAAH Quote
Setheus Posted January 2, 2005 Report Posted January 2, 2005 You know anytime we hear a description of a celestial being its always talking about how their countanance is brighter than the noon day sun etc... Perhaps the Pope is trying to re-create that image by wearing costly things and shiny jewels and huge gold or silver crosses? I think the best way would to make an All-Mirror suit and hit him up with 5 or 6 spotlights and BAM you got brighter than the noon day sun beaming right into the eyes of his followers. That way no one could see into the dark history of the Popes, ie that one of them (I won't mention any names ) was a pirate that made an agreement with the Medici family in exchange for building power for Cosimo. Quote
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