What Is The Church Doing To Help?

[Amillia]

I have been waiting to hear the news that the LDS church is giving some aid to those poor people in that earthquake area. Are they going to help?

[Snow]

Like maybe if you wait indigently the information will flow to you? Check yesterdays headlines at ldstoday.

[Spencer]

In that earthquake area eh, whats that? California?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Snow@Dec 29 2004, 10:05 AM

Like maybe if you wait indigently the information will flow to you? Check yesterdays headlines at ldstoday.

This is what I got off that site:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced church leaders in Asia are already providing immediate assistance to disaster victims. The Chruch plans to send a welfare services representative from Salt Lake City to the assess the needs there.

Whoopi! While the people are dying by the score the church is going to send a rep to check it out. *gag*

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:10 AM

In that earthquake area eh, whats that? California?

I have been re-active for almost two months now Spencer and it is people like you who are making it a very sickening experience. You all think you are so clever.

[Spencer]

Well it seems with your post you were very vague and took a very quick attack at the church and its humanitarian actions.

Let me ask you, what are you doing to help the tusnami victims in India and surrounding countries?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:46 AM

Well it seems with your post you were very vague and took a very quick attack at the church and its humanitarian actions.

Let me ask you, what are you doing to help the tusnami victims in India and surrounding countries?

I have donated to the Red Cross! What have you done?

[Spencer]

Awesome!!

I havent done anything.

Why are you so upset?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:59 AM

Awesome!!

I havent done anything.

Why are you so upset?

I guess I shouldn't feel this way, but I think the Lord's true church should be the first and best to help in all disasters.

[Spencer]

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced church leaders in Asia are already providing immediate assistance to disaster victims. The Chruch plans to send a welfare services representative from Salt Lake City to the assess the needs there."

Would you send money blindy, if so how much would you suggest for this? The US has re-figured how much money they would send twice now, had they assessed properly first maybe that would have been necessary.

Spencer

[speedomansam]

Originally posted by Amillia+Dec 29 2004, 10:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Dec 29 2004, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:10 AM

In that earthquake area eh, whats that? California?

I have been re-active for almost two months now Spencer and it is people like you who are making it a very sickening experience. You all think you are so clever.

is this sickening experience being exposed to sarcastic remarks and other jibs? because you'll find those anywhere, but, ironic as it is, you'll find them most between friends. friends have a habit of putting each other down out of fun--because they know the person that is "insulting" them wouldn't actually ever try to insult them, sarcastic remarks and jibs serve to strengthen friendship. that's probably a little twisted, but that's how everyone works now a days. of course, in a perfect world, i doubt anyone would ever be sarcastic, especially to a friend (could you imagine Jesus being sarcastic?).

so, amillia, don't take any sort of sarcastic remark the wrong way. there's very few people, if any, that are truly trying to put you down. plus, this kind of a thing on a message board gets especially messy. on the internet, everyone is anonymous; it's very hard to see a human behind the words. thus, our human weakness allows us to make these mean remarks that never would have been said in real life because we aren't afraid of hurting feelings. if somebody in real life, who you barely knew, came up to you and said something you deemed to be dumb, would you make a mean jib at them? of course not! that would be mean! but on the internet, it just doesn't seem like you're hurting anyone.

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Originally posted by Amillia+Dec 29 2004, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Dec 29 2004, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Dec 29 2004, 10:05 AM

Like maybe if you wait indigently the information will flow to you? Check yesterdays headlines at ldstoday.

This is what I got off that site:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced church leaders in Asia are already providing immediate assistance to disaster victims. The Chruch plans to send a welfare services representative from Salt Lake City to the assess the needs there.

Whoopi! While the people are dying by the score the church is going to send a rep to check it out. *gag*

*Gag* is right. I'm sure it's a much better idea just to send stuff over at random without checking to see what is needed most and where.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by speedomansam+Dec 29 2004, 11:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (speedomansam @ Dec 29 2004, 11:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:16 AM

<!--QuoteBegin--Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:10 AM

In that earthquake area eh, whats that? California?

I have been re-active for almost two months now Spencer and it is people like you who are making it a very sickening experience. You all think you are so clever.

is this sickening experience being exposed to sarcastic remarks and other jibs? because you'll find those anywhere, but, ironic as it is, you'll find them most between friends. friends have a habit of putting each other down out of fun--because they know the person that is "insulting" them wouldn't actually ever try to insult them, sarcastic remarks and jibs serve to strengthen friendship. that's probably a little twisted, but that's how everyone works now a days. of course, in a perfect world, i doubt anyone would ever be sarcastic, especially to a friend (could you imagine Jesus being sarcastic?).

so, amillia, don't take any sort of sarcastic remark the wrong way. there's very few people, if any, that are truly trying to put you down. plus, this kind of a thing on a message board gets especially messy. on the internet, everyone is anonymous; it's very hard to see a human behind the words. thus, our human weakness allows us to make these mean remarks that never would have been said in real life because we aren't afraid of hurting feelings. if somebody in real life, who you barely knew, came up to you and said something you deemed to be dumb, would you make a mean jib at them? of course not! that would be mean! but on the internet, it just doesn't seem like you're hurting anyone.

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

[Guest paupy]

Amillia, Please don't judge the "Gospel" by the members of the "Church". If you center your life in the Gospel you will be rewarded for your efforts. If you put your faith in the people you will be disapointed. We are human.

[Spencer]

Church Providing Emergency Relief in South Asia Disaster Area

28 December 2004

SALT LAKE CITY — Regional and local leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Asia are providing immediate assistance to disaster victims in the nations of South Asia affected by Sunday's earthquake and tsunamis. Local resources, supplemented by humanitarian funds from Church headquarters, are being used to purchase emergency medical supplies and other materials in the affected countries to speed relief to the most heavily impacted coastal areas.

A Welfare Services representative from Salt Lake City and the area welfare manager for Asia are traveling to the disaster area to complete an assessment in cooperation with government officials and international relief agencies. Assessment is an essential first step to ensure that assistance provided will be most effective in meeting needs and relieving suffering in this devastating tragedy.

"We are heartbroken to learn that thousands have lost their lives and extend our deepest sympathies to the families whose loved ones have perished in this disaster," said Bishop H. David Burton, presiding bishop of the Church. "We believe in the power of prayer. We encourage all to pray for those who are suffering as well as for those who are providing emergency relief."

Given the magnitude of the disaster, the Church expects that a major humanitarian response will be required.

All missionaries of the Church serving in the disaster area are safe and accounted for. Though information regarding Church members in the region remains incomplete, so far there are no reports of death or injury to members.

http://www.lds.org/newsroom/showrelease/0,...1-20735,00.html

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by speedomansam@Dec 29 2004, 11:55 AM

there's very few people, if any, that are truly trying to put you down. plus, this kind of a thing on a message board gets especially messy. on the internet, everyone is anonymous; it's very hard to see a human behind the words. thus, our human weakness allows us to make these mean remarks that never would have been said in real life because we aren't afraid of hurting feelings. if somebody in real life, who you barely knew, came up to you and said something you deemed to be dumb, would you make a mean jib at them? of course not! that would be mean! but on the internet, it just doesn't seem like you're hurting anyone.

I am just as sweet off line as I am online.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Spencer@Dec 29 2004, 10:46 AM

Let me ask you, what are you doing to help the tusnami victims in India and surrounding countries?

At my husbands work they were collecting money in a basket. The owner cast the first $20 in and then said what ever was raised the company would double.

I think that then giving the money to the church or the Red Cross would be a great thing to do.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Amillia+Dec 29 2004, 08:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amillia @ Dec 29 2004, 08:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Dec 29 2004, 10:05 AM

Like maybe if you wait indigently the information will flow to you? Check yesterdays headlines at ldstoday.

This is what I got off that site:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced church leaders in Asia are already providing immediate assistance to disaster victims. The Chruch plans to send a welfare services representative from Salt Lake City to the assess the needs there.

Whoopi! While the people are dying by the score the church is going to send a rep to check it out. *gag*

It goes without saying that your feigned indignation is a cheap and distasteful joke.

First, you have no clue (by your own admission) what the Church is actually doing or not doing.

Second, you set yourself up as the arbiter of what is called for and even though you don't know what is being done, have decided that it is not sufficient.

Alright Peace/Starsky - how much aid should the Church have offered and how. You are the one (sorely misguided though you may be) who has judged the effort to be unsatisfactory so tell us oh brillant and enlightened one... tell us quick and tell us true.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:14 AM

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

Maybe helping your son to stop his thieving would be more effective than complaining about others who don't like it --- or is your son not a thief and them evil Mormon womenes is just out to git ya fer no good reason?

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Snow+Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:14 AM

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

Maybe helping your son to stop his thieving would be more effective than complaining about others who don't like it --- or is your son not a thief and them evil Mormon womenes is just out to git ya fer no good reason?

Snow,

What makes you think that Amillia is Peace/Starsky? I think I remember that you didn't care for her much and I think that I remember what much of the riff was about.

I like Peace/ Starsky and I think that Amillia is nice as well. Your comment about the boys is a bit harsh don't you think? I know Mormon women who can be as Amillia described and they are not that way just because they are Mormon either. The reason why some women act that way is because they are in misery themselves and "Misery loves company"

If this is indeed a battle you are having with Amillia then it is not my place to get involved. If you believe the Amillia is Peace/Starsky then you must have proof of some kind. I can't see you calling someone by another name without researching it first. I was never made aware of the reason why Peace/Starsky is no longer posting here is this for public knowledge?

Amillia sounds like she has been through some hard times and as a mother, nothing hurts like when your child hurts.

[StrawberryFields]

Back to the Topic.

Tonight, on the news, it was said that them missionaries who are serving in those areas will be helping out. It was also said that those who want to help in the relief effort should be "Most Generous" in their fast offerings this Sunday.

http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=141694

I have had the people involved in this tragedy on my mind since I first heard the news...I want to help. I can help with some money and many prayers.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Dec 29 2004, 09:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Strawberry Fields @ Dec 29 2004, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Snow@Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:14 AM

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

Maybe helping your son to stop his thieving would be more effective than complaining about others who don't like it --- or is your son not a thief and them evil Mormon womenes is just out to git ya fer no good reason?

Snow,

What makes you think that Amillia is Peace/Starsky? I think I remember that you didn't care for her much and I think that I remember what much of the riff was about.

I like Peace/ Starsky and I think that Amillia is nice as well. Your comment about the boys is a bit harsh don't you think? I know Mormon women who can be as Amillia described and they are not that way just because they are Mormon either. The reason why some women act that way is because they are in misery themselves and "Misery loves company"

If this is indeed a battle you are having with Amillia then it is not my place to get involved. If you believe the Amillia is Peace/Starsky then you must have proof of some kind. I can't see you calling someone by another name without researching it first. I was never made aware of the reason why Peace/Starsky is no longer posting here is this for public knowledge?

Amillia sounds like she has been through some hard times and as a mother, nothing hurts like when your child hurts.

What is harsh about it? Either the boy is a thief or not. Since we don't personally know Peace or the accuser that makes it a 50-50 proposition. I am typically suspicious of the Imma-victim-type, especially the type that accuse the Church of malfesance when they know nothing about the issue at hand or react all out of proportion to a humorous remark, like Peace did to Spencer, who made a perfectly normal comment but Peace says his behavior sickens her. Give me a break... as if that has anything to do with her becoming active. When a person is active or not active they should accept responsibility for it themselves, not blame it on anybody else, especially when they (like Spencer) did absolutely zero.

So, if we can't trust Peace about being sickened by humor, then I don't trust her when she says that others accuse her son with no good reason - not that I have any idea if her son is a bad kid or not - just that Peace isn't acting credibly.

...and no, I am in no battle with Peace, I still and have always liked Peace. It is particular behavior (posting) that I take issue with. Peace, as a real live person I am sure, is a nice and normal as any of us.

[StrawberryFields]

You didn't answer my question about how you know that Amillia is Peace.

To me Amillia seems like a pretty new member to LDSTalk. She may have felt that Spencer was just trying to make her look stupid and most of us would be offended by that. This site with the name LDSTalk represents a handful of its finest members (hopefully) , or at least people with compassion and understanding. I could feel that Spencer was saying his comment "with tongue in cheek¡É but another newer member may not. Not everything that is said and meant to be funny comes across as humor to the receiver.

I would agree that Amillia seemed to have some anger in some of her replies but everyone gets angry at times and once the words are out they can't be "reeled back in". In a message board I think that it is best to cut other¡Çs some slack and that goes both ways.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Snow+Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:14 AM

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

Maybe helping your son to stop his thieving would be more effective than complaining about others who don't like it --- or is your son not a thief and them evil Mormon womenes is just out to git ya fer no good reason?

My son isn't a theif, never was!

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Snow+Dec 30 2004, 01:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Dec 30 2004, 01:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Strawberry Fields@Dec 29 2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by -Snow@Dec 29 2004, 07:59 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Amillia@Dec 29 2004, 10:14 AM

At church there are people who come up to me and say things which are meant to be hurtful, but they say them in such a way as to appear innocent of any evil intention.

Some just give me the cold shoulder by walking by me with their nose in the air. My younger son was told at the beginning of summer that he could no longer go to the local store because a women in our ward told the manager my sons were theives and liers.

We just found that out last week before Christmas by talking with this manager. What kind of people go out of their way to destroy people's lives?

Maybe helping your son to stop his thieving would be more effective than complaining about others who don't like it --- or is your son not a thief and them evil Mormon womenes is just out to git ya fer no good reason?

Snow,

What makes you think that Amillia is Peace/Starsky? I think I remember that you didn't care for her much and I think that I remember what much of the riff was about.

I like Peace/ Starsky and I think that Amillia is nice as well. Your comment about the boys is a bit harsh don't you think? I know Mormon women who can be as Amillia described and they are not that way just because they are Mormon either. The reason why some women act that way is because they are in misery themselves and "Misery loves company"

If this is indeed a battle you are having with Amillia then it is not my place to get involved. If you believe the Amillia is Peace/Starsky then you must have proof of some kind. I can't see you calling someone by another name without researching it first. I was never made aware of the reason why Peace/Starsky is no longer posting here is this for public knowledge?

Amillia sounds like she has been through some hard times and as a mother, nothing hurts like when your child hurts.

What is harsh about it? Either the boy is a thief or not. Since we don't personally know Peace or the accuser that makes it a 50-50 proposition. I am typically suspicious of the Imma-victim-type, especially the type that accuse the Church of malfesance when they know nothing about the issue at hand or react all out of proportion to a humorous remark, like Peace did to Spencer, who made a perfectly normal comment but Peace says his behavior sickens her. Give me a break... as if that has anything to do with her becoming active. When a person is active or not active they should accept responsibility for it themselves, not blame it on anybody else, especially when they (like Spencer) did absolutely zero.

So, if we can't trust Peace about being sickened by humor, then I don't trust her when she says that others accuse her son with no good reason - not that I have any idea if her son is a bad kid or not - just that Peace isn't acting credibly.

...and no, I am in no battle with Peace, I still and have always liked Peace. It is particular behavior (posting) that I take issue with. Peace, as a real live person I am sure, is a nice and normal as any of us.

You are a very sick man Snow and it shows in most all your posts. Have you ever considered therapy? Shanstress 70 told me Peace stopped posting here a long time ago and with people like snow here I can see why. With friends like him, who needs enemies. He really has a sick presentation.